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    Haki clash cloud split enabling a Sulong one-shot against two assholes, hell yeah!
    Damn, the sequence made me so happy I screamed out loud like a madman...and my dogs started barking at me :D
    Good stuff.

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    This was not a chapter. This was THE chapter. The conclusion for the Dog and Cat fights were lovely. Luffy splitting the heavens in his clash with Kaido was godly, Momo overcoming his fears and confronting them was amazing.
    I reread this chapter many times already and I am sure I will be rereading it more in wait for the next one. YAY FOR NO BREAK.
    I wonder if we're getting more Luffy Vs Kaido or some focus will go to Zoro and Sanji, or will it be something else?
    AND WHAT IS IT WITH OROCHI? What fucky shit is he up to next? I hope Momo will swallow that mofo whole and spit him out.



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    Wonder if the BMP have gotten past the waterfall yet

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    Uh oh. Big Mom is gonna be very pissed off knowing her eldest child got taken out.

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    the best thing of the chapter was that i could read it in my native language :-)

    well, i'm exagerating a little. Luffy motivating Momo was quite cool. Momo will now have the task to save all his citizens. That may be not less difficult than biting a Yonkou

    The parallel of the 2 minks fight is nicelly drawn but it's true that one can feel Oda wants to accelerate the pace. It has been debated a lot in the spoiler thread. Even if i can understand Oda's choice, it is a bit sad. We couldn't even have shown us a proper panel of Jack hybrid form.

    Orochi is reappearing. It is not a big surprise though what Oda wants to do with him remains quite a mystery
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    I do wonder if that facetious lil blurb questioning the identity of Orochi there isn't another instance of a truth-within-a-gag? What if his decapitated heads are fully regenerating into Orochi duplicates? It'd then become a valid question: who's the "real" Orochi?

    Just an idle thought.

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    So I think this one's actually gonna be it for me. I'm either taking a long hiatus or just leaving, not sure. But yeah, chalk this up as another one lost to the cynicism of this forum just like access timeco. Didn't post much here (due to the cynicism) anyway so not some big loss.

    The disconnect between the rest of the fandom and the forum here on this chapter is profound. I'm referring to the spoilers thread. Just like access timeco didn't want his/her chapters 1000+ soured by these posts, we're late enough into the series where I don't want Luffy's possible battle with Shanks tainted by posts here going "Yeah... I want to enjoy Luffy vs Shanks but, the guy with the monkey on his shoulder was defeated too quickly... Sigh..." That just reeks of focusing on the minor over the major, to purposely try as hard as possible to not enjoy something. Another example. Say you get a new car. The seats on this car are not the design you want. It's like moping around about the seats of that car instead of the fact that you *just got a new car*. It's completely lopsided.

    The amount of posts I had to scroll through in the spoiler thread to find someone even *mentioning* Luffy splitting the fucking sky is just insane. Instead where is all the focus for this forum? Jack and Perospero, because that's what can be complained about. It's just like access timeco said, this forum goes purposely scavenging for things to dislike, and either outright ignores big moments or finds a way to dislike them. It's time for some of you to just admit that you've moved on from the series. You don't want it to succeed. You've picked up other manga/anime along the way, and are rooting for them, but made sure to do it at the expense of One Piece.

    In a post-Covid world, I don't really have the luxury of focusing on bitterness on a widely beloved series. My mental energy needs to be focused on survival and what's still good left in the world. I have the feeling some of you tapped out at Fishman Island and just never recovered. It's a common behavior with people, focusing on first impressions, and that was your first impression of the timeskip. Times have changed. We're not dealing with that version of One Piece anymore. Major resolutions to series-wide things are happening. If you choose to just be negative all the time while this stuff is happening, that's just not a group I want to hang around when Luffy's discovering One Piece. I have a feeling even if everything with discovering One Piece is done ideally, if someone predicted how it's done, someone would find a way to complain that it was too predictable.
    Croc or Enel would never.
    Wanna see the "ancient civilization destroyed" thing done really well? FFXIV did a great take on it. The bar's high for One Piece to beat.

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    Good chapter. Always enjoyed Momo a lot more in dragon form. Him finally getting the courage to litteraly bite back is great.

    Neko/Inu vs Peros/Jack... I can't care less. Not bad, not intrusive, but you could cut all of those characters from Wano and I wouldn't care. Also the doublepage wgere they're defeated is going to be AWFUL in volumes, voth Peros and Jack will disappear in the middle like that.

    So yeah. Good chapter but don't care for the latter half.
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    Really good chapter, honestly was not expecting Luffy to split the heavens in this arc, just took it as a given that it'd happen post-Wano. But what a moment it was.

    Outside of that, main highlight was Luffy having Momo bite Kaido as a way to motivate him to go and save Onigashima. It's so simplistic (Lol at all the now silly panic about Momo doing something absurd and unrealistic to Kaido in his new form), but it works. He really has nothing to be afraid of now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaworu View Post
    So I think this one's actually gonna be it for me. I'm either taking a long hiatus or just leaving, not sure. But yeah, chalk this up as another one lost to the cynicism of this forum just like access timeco. Didn't post much here (due to the cynicism) anyway so not some big loss.

    The disconnect between the rest of the fandom and the forum here on this chapter is profound. I'm referring to the spoilers thread. Just like access timeco didn't want his/her chapters 1000+ soured by these posts, we're late enough into the series where I don't want Luffy's possible battle with Shanks tainted by posts here going "Yeah... I want to enjoy Luffy vs Shanks but, the guy with the monkey on his shoulder was defeated too quickly... Sigh..." That just reeks of focusing on the minor over the major, to purposely try as hard as possible to not enjoy something. Another example. Say you get a new car. The seats on this car are not the design you want. It's like moping around about the seats of that car instead of the fact that you *just got a new car*. It's completely lopsided.

    The amount of posts I had to scroll through in the spoiler thread to find someone even *mentioning* Luffy splitting the fucking sky is just insane. Instead where is all the focus for this forum? Jack and Perospero, because that's what can be complained about. It's just like access timeco said, this forum goes purposely scavenging for things to dislike, and either outright ignores big moments or finds a way to dislike them. It's time for some of you to just admit that you've moved on from the series. You don't want it to succeed. You've picked up other manga/anime along the way, and are rooting for them, but made sure to do it at the expense of One Piece.

    In a post-Covid world, I don't really have the luxury of focusing on bitterness on a widely beloved series. My mental energy needs to be focused on survival and what's still good left in the world. I have the feeling some of you tapped out at Fishman Island and just never recovered. It's a common behavior with people, focusing on first impressions, and that was your first impression of the timeskip. Times have changed. We're not dealing with that version of One Piece anymore. Major resolutions to series-wide things are happening. If you choose to just be negative all the time while this stuff is happening, that's just not a group I want to hang around when Luffy's discovering One Piece. I have a feeling even if everything with discovering One Piece is done ideally, if someone predicted how it's done, someone would find a way to complain that it was too predictable.
    I find it interesting that to you those feelings and takes seem like hard fought nitpicks from people who are just out to get you and not just the surface thoughts of people who enjoy and process their read in a different way from yours. But i mean if a unified community mood is important to you to the level that you feel bad from it not being the mood you'd like then i would think it is more feasible to find a more likeminded community than trying and hoping that other posters will "give up" and yield that kind of atmosphere you'd like. The people you can't understand will probably be here til the end if they stuck around this far y'know. Not that i'd want anyone to leave AP, but if it isn't fun for you anymore it sounds like a healthier thing to do. I would say that i find this all a bit serious for a rubber pirate comic tho, but that is neither here nor there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaworu View Post
    Instead where is all the focus for this forum? Jack and Perospero, because that's what can be complained about. It's just like access timeco said, this forum goes purposely scavenging for things to dislike, and either outright ignores big moments or finds a way to dislike them.
    It's a good chapter in isolation. Great even.

    The problem most people seem to be having with it is what *didn't* come before it. Which is completely fair.

    That's less a nitpick or looking for a problem, and more a general entire series issue the last several years.

    If Oda had given the mink fights any sort of focus earlier, even like, 4 pages between them, any time in the last six or seven chapters, that would alleviate the complaints.

    But Oda IS crunching and cutting corners and that hurts the overall story.

    No one wants or expects an epic 4 chapter fight for the minks to get extreme focus, but even a tiny bit after literal years of build up? Heck, if we'd seen Jack fighting the mink army 30 chapters ago and gotten that taste there, it'd be alleviated. Instead of gettign 7 chapters ina row of Luffy running up stairs and facing off against another comedy zoan design.

    Or, conversely, if Cat and Dog hadn't gone sulong a couple chapters ago, then had it turned off, then turned on again... if THIS chapter the cliffhanger was them finally getting that power up with the promise of *next* chapter being a bit of their skirmish and then the same finishers? It'd be fine.

    But its not just the minks. If all the strawhats had gotten great coverage and satisfying victories, no one would care about the secondaries. But when something goes as badly as it did for Nami and Usopp, then... you keep hoping for SOMETHING to fix and improve and make up for mistakes. When Oda spends time wiping out all the scabbards and Orochi and Kanjuro and then has them get up, wipes them out again, then has them get up again? It feels like time wasted that could have been spent on other things.

    Oda picks and chooses odd priorities sometimes. Spends dozens of pages on random time fillers, ends and then resurrects plotthreads that he does multiple times, then completely off screens plot points he's built for years.

    The oo stuff and the Kaidou stuff are cool. But if that's going to be the thing he focuses on, then *focus* on it. Don't slap dash another resolution into two pages while doing the other thing.


    Another example. Say you get a new car. The seats on this car are not the design you want. It's like moping around about the seats of that car instead of the fact that you *just got a new car*. It's completely lopsided.
    Have you ever actually bought a car? You just spent thousands of dollars on something you are going to own and use on a daily basis for YEARS, and will constantly put more money into. it's entirely legit to be upset with the shortcomings and it not being entirely what you hoped.

    Yeah, complaining that the seats aren't the exact shade of white you want is maybe being petty, but "I don't feel comfortable sitting in it for long periods" is a legit thing. There's coming up with minor petty complaints for the sake of it, and then there's having real issues.
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    If you take this chapter at face value (aka accept the characters won’t get up again given the panels that said they’re defeated were from the narrator), this chapter is the resolution of the Mink’s story in a sense We have the two big bads of the Minks, Jack and Perospero, being defeated this chapter. This should be their cathartic moment and resolution for all the suffering that they have gone though.

    If anything, from a story telling perspective, this should be a big moment, not Luffy splitting the sky with Kaidou. I would argue that Momo overcoming his fears was a bigger moment story telling wise than the Luffy vs Kaidou confrontation. Splitting the sky is a cool image, but it’s just the beginning of their epic battle (because we knew that the two could battle Conquerer’s haki on a somewhat even playing field from their first confrontation anyways)
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    I don't know why i keep thinking that tengu guy is going to do something neat, i mean since he hangs around the capital eating cotton candy he's probably not going to take part in any action, but his design seems to neat just to be around. Maybe he'll do some revealing once they've landed the flying rock and face punched Kaido into submission

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    On its own, this was a pretty good chapter. Payoff for Momo after so much time, seeing a Haki clash from Luffy and Kaido splitting the sky to show him to be on an Emperor's level, then having that pay off to allow Dog and Cat to go back into Sulong form to gets some sweet finishers in. Overall I enjoyed the chapter and definitely a stand out from the last bunch we have gotten.

    That said, it definitely didn't hit as hard as it could've since the payoff didn't have a lot of build up towards it. With how bloated the arc is I do not want time to focus on every single character as that would kill the pacing of the arc. Personally I am fine with not having too much focus on Jack and Perospero since we had enough screen time for them to make their downfall at the very least satisfying. Still doesn't take away from the fact that it doesn't have that same emotional impact that you get from time to time with other take downs, but not every battle can be like that, especially in an arc like this (and even in Dressrosa, which I liked compared to others had this same problem). The bigger problem still comes down to Momo, as once again I feel his presence in this arc was mostly overshadowed until now, like there were so many other aspects going on that it had to be held on until much later, not allowing for the build up. His fear of flying was introduced all the way in Punk Hazard, and with everything going on in this section of the arc the brief part of his trauma with Kaido was a foot note. Overall the payoff was fine, but it definitely was the moment that suffered the most from the lack of build up, or how long it took to get to the payoff in the case of flying.

    Still, I can't deny the smug satisfaction of Perospero and Jack thinking they finally got the upper hand only for the sky to split and get their comeuppance. The moment was only slightly ruined by being reminded that jerk Orochi is still around, but imagining the humiliation he will hopefully get from someone keeps me invested in how his storyline will end.

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    Is it weird that i didn't even connect the sky split as a big moment? I mean in my mind Luffy became his equal back when he blocked his club with chosen haki, and this was more a neat visual than anything representitive on my first read. Obvs it is symbolic and all, i just had moved past it to the point of thinking well duh of course he is lol

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    Yeah I just don't really feel hype for the skysplitting. That emotion was used up when Luffy figured out CoC infusion. Generally speaking as always Oda makes sure Luffy gets everything he needs to the point it's abundant but several other things fall short.
    Luffy in this raid had like 4 oh shit moments already. His roc attack, his gear 4 unleashing, his advanced armament and his coc coating. Skysplitting just doesn't really add anything for me as Luffy is speedrunning his way to be able to stand against the Yonko.
    Beyond that it's also simply that I genuinely don't think this raid has been Oda's best work so far which hurts given that it had massively more buildup than some of his best arcs before. The raid has very high highs but overall falls victim to similar issues that have been present a lot post timeskip.
    I think everyone understands Oda can't go into detail into everything but the corners he's cut and where he indulged instead haven't been super resonant with me.

    Like flatout for me the catharsis in this arc has never been about Luffy beating Kaido. It's something I know will happen there is not a single thing about it that will surprise me or thrill me the best Oda can do on that front is delivering great action panels.
    For me the catharsis will be very reliant on how Oda ties and resolves all the dozen of plot threads he's started before and during the raid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfwood View Post
    Is it weird that i didn't even connect the sky split as a big moment? I mean in my mind Luffy became his equal back when he blocked his club with chosen haki, and this was more a neat visual than anything representitive on my first read. Obvs it is symbolic and all, i just had moved past it to the point of thinking well duh of course he is lol
    Same here, I saw it happen, shrugged and turned the page. Didn't hit me it references the clashing of two powerful individuals until it was mentioned in this thread. In my defence the splitting of double pages on Manga Plus is horrible and this chapter in particular is suffering heavily from that.

    Still interesting how there was no personal reaction. It was cool when it happened between other characters. Maybe I'm tired or the chapter just doesn't pique my interest. Or it could be that my Luffy-is-fighting-a-Yonko hype was satiated during the rooftop fight, because god damn did I love those chapters. Fascinating regardless.
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    Good chapter. I loved how Luffy encouraged Momo in a very Luffy fashion and how Momodragon still acts like a frightened child despite his growth. That's one thing Oda nailed as far as I'm concerned. Kickstarting Kaido round 2 with a sky split is neat, too.
    Catviper and Stormdog concluding their fights were...a bit hasty, for sure. I might have liked a couple more panels of them actually engaging their respective foe, rather than much off-panel followed by "oh yeah, if only you'd landed one last good hit " immediately followed by "LUCK! Here it is!". But, that Oda is cutting corners and making weird narrative priority picks (Robby said it best) isn't anything new by now, so I try to enjoy what I can and let the rest slide - ain't always easy. One way or the other this is the One Piece we will be getting for however much is left of those five years, gotta live with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfwood View Post
    Is it weird that i didn't even connect the sky split as a big moment? I mean in my mind Luffy became his equal back when he blocked his club with chosen haki, and this was more a neat visual than anything representitive on my first read.
    I reacted similarly. In fact it took reading this thread to remember that, oh, yeah, sky split is that thing we only ever saw Yonkou perform so it's not only a big deal due to Cat & Dog. It's a big moment for sure, but on the first read it left nowhere as strong an impression as, say, the first ever Gear 4 punch or Fujitora's meteor.

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    Luffy splitting the sky was great, and a definite sign of how far he's come, but otherwise, I wasn't a fan of this chapter. When I saw the early spoilers, I thought I might be jumping the gun, but my issues with those spoilers seem even worse in the context of the chapter.

    A minor issue that I had was Momo biting Kaidou and making him scream out in pain. Given that Kaidou's skin has been built up to be extremely difficult to get through, with Luffy needing to specifically train in advanced armament haki to be able to do it, and the Nine Red Scabbards barely being able to pull it off, it seems weird that Momo can just do it without even knowing that it's a big deal. (it seems to undermine Kaidou's threat as a villain when someone who was an untrained eight year old five minutes ago, and still is one mentally, can make him scream out in pain)

    My bigger problems were with Jack's portrayal and the whole Perospero plotline. When it comes to Jack, he's one of Kaidou's top minions, and yet he didn't even get a named attack, let alone a full chapter worth of fighting. (instead, throughout the arc, we've gotten a few snippets of fights that happened mostly off-screen, and the snippets that we got involved Jack getting his butt kicked) I get that he's been treated as though he's not as tough as King or Queen, but he's still a juggernaut with a billion Berry bounty - it seems weird to give him less focus than the Flying Six, or for someone like Holdem to have more named attacks than him. It would have been nice if it seemed like it took some actual effort to beat him, rather than having him go down in one good hit from a single member of the Scabbards. (I get that it's personal for Inuarashi, given what happened to Zou, but Jack's defeat seemed so effortless)

    And then there's the Carrot-Pedro-Perospero plotline - what was the point of it? If it had just been dropped after Whole Cake Island, I could assume that people (myself included) were reading too deeply into a few panels, but then Perospero made it to Onigashima (the only member of the Big Mom Pirates, aside from BM herself, to do so), Carrot specifically went after him to avenge Pedro, and it seemed like the plot was actually building up to something...

    ...and then Carrot was beaten off-screen and mocked by Perospero for even thinking that she could stand a chance. Still, villains act arrogant in their own abilities all the time, and Perospero only won because the moon was covered up, so maybe...

    ...and then Nekomamushi, who had no idea who Perospero was, beats him in one attack while Carrot can only sit on the side and watch, despite the fact that Nekomamushi going into the Sulong state meant that Carrot should have been able to as well.

    It just raises the question of why Carrot was involved in Whole Cake Island (if it was to make us feel sad about Pedro's death or introduce Sulong, Pekoms could have done both of those things), or why Perospero was brought into the raid when all he accomplished was allying with Marco for a chapter and occasionally attacking Marco or Chopper, or why that plotline was built up over the past year (more if we count Whole Cake Island) if all of that was going to amount to Perospero being beaten in one hit by someone who had no idea who he was a few minutes ago, while Carrot (who actually saw what happened) contributes nothing. Considering that Oda's someone who brought back the plotline of Captain John's treasure years later, across several arcs, it seems weird for him to abruptly rush through an entire plotline and two separate fights like this. (it also ends the plot on a note that's weirdly pessimistic for One Piece, with Perospero telling Carrot that she should have stayed home and never gone out to sea - that seemed like an opportunity to Carrot to prove him wrong and contribute to his defeat, but instead, we're left with the feeling that Perospero was right and Carrot should just stay in Zou instead of seeing the world)

    Maybe I'm jumping the gun, and Jack will get up later to get an actual on-screen fight (he's been shown to be durable), or we'll get a conclusion to the plotline at the start of next week's chapter, but given that the narration at the end seems pretty definitive, I have my doubts.

    Sorry for the rant; like I said earlier, I liked Luffy splitting the sky, but the rest of the chapter just seems like wasted potential.
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