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    I'm really surprised how likable I find Momo in this entire arc.
    I was dreading Wano arc before because I knew it would put a lot of focus on Momo and how much I didn't like him (kid characters in general, really. Can never stand them and they're what I don't like about the One Piece movies).

    Good job on that front, Oda.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Megadoomer View Post
    Considering that Oda's someone who brought back the plotline of Captain John's treasure years later, across several arcs, it seems weird for him to abruptly rush through an entire plotline and two separate fights like this.
    I think this really comes down to current-day Oda as an author isn't the same person he was 5 years ago, much less 10+ years ago when he did the Captain John thing. His priorities shifted and we see with every arc that he is trying to pick up the pace. He still dedicates panel time to the shiny new toys of the moment, but even this comes at the cost of other things being off-paneled. So, maybe he had grand plans for Jack and the Minks all these years ago when Wano was going to be the mother of all arcs that would have spanned 150+ chapters, but nowadays they're not so important anymore in the face of wrapping up Wano, giving key Straw Hats a cool fight and accomodating all the other toys he came up with in the meantime.

    Even Carrot. It's possible that her relevance to the story shifted between Whole Cake and present day. She is maybe the Paulie of Wano saga : initially made a cool entrance, but later gets relegated to a secondary part. So the treatment she received in Onigashima can be seen as a logical conclusion to her story that wraps up the Pedro thread and also reflects how important she is for future arcs.

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    Things that I liked the most, its the high hopes this chapter gave me about ending Wano sooner than expected, and that my speculation about finishing the remaining villains in pairs, is looking more than possible.

    I would like the Supernova pair to be taken down next, Apoo and Hawkins.
    Followed by the last remnants of the Kurozomi dictaroship, Orochi and Fukurokuju.
    and finally, and since Zoro is fighting against the clock, King and Queen, shouldn't last longer either.

    I've decided simply not to speculate about Big Mom and the Worst Gens at all, I'll let Oda surpsise me in that one.

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    As I said in the spoiler thread, I loved this chapter. Just a pity that Jack never got to have named attacks. I would have loved to see some Mammoth puns.

    Also, it was just one panel but I loved that back-to-back Zoro/Sanji panel. It gives a little hope that their fights might include some co-op.

    Anyway, I don't mind reading negative opinions that differ from mine. It's the constant speculations on Oda's "plans" to justify something you didn't like that really bother me nowadays in this forum.

    If you didn't like something and want to express it, it's absolutely fine. Just don't generalize your opinion as if it is shared by everyone.

    But comments that are basically "Oda would have gone in a direction that would satisfy me but he changed his plans" or "Oda cut the fight/scene I wanted to see to finish the manga earlier or because of editorial decision" are just stupid to me.

    You'll never know Oda's plans. Stick to the actual work in your criticism and stop trying to be meta about it. You'll only sound silly to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaworu View Post
    So I think this one's actually gonna be it for me. I'm either taking a long hiatus or just leaving, not sure. But yeah, chalk this up as another one lost to the cynicism of this forum just like access timeco. Didn't post much here (due to the cynicism) anyway so not some big loss.

    The disconnect between the rest of the fandom and the forum here on this chapter is profound. I'm referring to the spoilers thread. Just like access timeco didn't want his/her chapters 1000+ soured by these posts, we're late enough into the series where I don't want Luffy's possible battle with Shanks tainted by posts here going "Yeah... I want to enjoy Luffy vs Shanks but, the guy with the monkey on his shoulder was defeated too quickly... Sigh..." That just reeks of focusing on the minor over the major, to purposely try as hard as possible to not enjoy something. Another example. Say you get a new car. The seats on this car are not the design you want. It's like moping around about the seats of that car instead of the fact that you *just got a new car*. It's completely lopsided.

    The amount of posts I had to scroll through in the spoiler thread to find someone even *mentioning* Luffy splitting the fucking sky is just insane. Instead where is all the focus for this forum? Jack and Perospero, because that's what can be complained about. It's just like access timeco said, this forum goes purposely scavenging for things to dislike, and either outright ignores big moments or finds a way to dislike them. It's time for some of you to just admit that you've moved on from the series. You don't want it to succeed. You've picked up other manga/anime along the way, and are rooting for them, but made sure to do it at the expense of One Piece.

    In a post-Covid world, I don't really have the luxury of focusing on bitterness on a widely beloved series. My mental energy needs to be focused on survival and what's still good left in the world. I have the feeling some of you tapped out at Fishman Island and just never recovered. It's a common behavior with people, focusing on first impressions, and that was your first impression of the timeskip. Times have changed. We're not dealing with that version of One Piece anymore. Major resolutions to series-wide things are happening. If you choose to just be negative all the time while this stuff is happening, that's just not a group I want to hang around when Luffy's discovering One Piece. I have a feeling even if everything with discovering One Piece is done ideally, if someone predicted how it's done, someone would find a way to complain that it was too predictable.
    I've noticed the same on this forum for a few months now. I just skip their complaints which leads to not reading a lot of posts in their entirety cuz it's just complaining about what happened or what they think will happen cuz they cant think of a satisfying outcome. Even when some thoroughly explain their issues it just has me thinking you should probably take a break from reading One Piece weekly.

    Seems a lot of ppl on here are burnt out on the series but are still faithfully reading cuz they've already invested so much time on it already. So they go on, continue to complain and have negative leaning posts until I guess they won't be able to take anymore and just start hate posting.
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    If worst comes to worst this will just be one big forum wide naruto thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfwood View Post
    If worst comes to worst this will just be one big forum wide naruto thread.
    The Naruto thread was the best thread on the forum for a couple years a while back.

    Of course, that's when it was also the 80's, pizza, and anything but Naruto thread.
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    Could use a bit more of that chaotic energy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fana View Post
    But comments that are basically "Oda would have gone in a direction that would satisfy me but he changed his plans" or "Oda cut the fight/scene I wanted to see to finish the manga earlier or because of editorial decision" are just stupid to me.

    You'll never know Oda's plans. Stick to the actual work in your criticism and stop trying to be meta about it. You'll only sound silly to me.
    I don't give a crap about the mink fights or Jack. But cutting them DID actively hurt *this* chapter. (as well as previous chapters.)

    Luffy split the sky! Holy crap its a big huge epic moment!

    Except that it landed flat.

    Yeah it was cool but we already got Luffy being Kaidou's equal chapters ago when he figured out the haki trick. No one in the chapter commented on the sky split, there were no reactions... it was just a plot device to clear up the moon for the minks.

    A moon... that had only been covered this same chapter.

    So the scene falls flat... because of what Oda DIDN'T show earlier.

    Really, Cat and Dog hould have just... not transformed into sulong a few chapters ago and been shown to be struggling a tiny bit more would have gone a long way. It would have made their scene stronger AND the sky split more impactful. But when its handled as less of "Luffy is doing something epic" and more "Well that's convenient... AGAIN"... something in it just doesn't click. Just a few chapters ago they had *exactly* the cliffhanger they needed with the sky clearing htis chapter, where yu got that two page spread of them transformed at last, and a promise of them about to kick ass. Put that same exact moment here instead, and then next chapter give them each one or two pages to kick butt then do those finishers, and it all works much better and more satisfyingly.

    But that's not what we got.

    And that sucks. I want to feel the awesome powerful badass moment but it just didn't land. I felt everything Luffy was doing last chapter with Yamato, and I thought the Momo stuff was good this chapter. But the sky split? A huge epic to-be-iconic moment? Just didn't leave an impact like it should have.

    The corner cutting, on top of the random finishing threads then repeating them, (How many times have we finished Orochi now?) is getting in the way of more story points than just the stuff being cut.

    No one is asking for a big 5 chapters of the minks fighting Jack on camera. No one expect that. But.. even a handful of panels over the last 30 or 40 chapters would have gone a long way.

    Oda IS better than that. So when he shortchanges something to this extreme, and also drops the ball on things like Nami and Usopp's "fight", which again missed partly becaue he off-cameraed much of it, stuff starts to fall flat.

    A big climax moment doesn't work if there's no actual buildup to it. It's absolutely a weakness he has now that he didn't used to. So all three o the big impact moments at the end of this chapter, the sky slit and the two KO moves... all three of them should have been big "FINALLY!" and "THAT WAS AWESOME!" moments, and instead none of them hit because they weren't given even the tiniest bit of room to breathe.
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    I see things are "lively" as ever in this forum section.

    If I were you I would stop overthinking stuff just for the sake of making yourself feel better concerning certain issues related to the story or how Oda (who's human btw) handles certain plot threads.

    Just go with the flow and quit overanalyzing things you'll have long forgotten about by the time the next chapter releases.
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    I don't think you get what I was complaining about. It's fine for me to say you didn't like Oda not drawing something. What I don't get is the speculation that Oda planned to and changed his mind.

    And it seems to be a trend in this forum lately ever since Oda's "the end is near" comment and Greg pseudo-insider cryptic comments.

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    Isn't that just sprung from the idea that Oda is always on the ball and has a plan, and that any short comings would have to come from an outside factor. When it can be either intentionally done, screwed by the editor or just caused by human planning error it isn't hard to see why you might feel inclined to think that any perceived weakness must have been forced upon this generally competent storyteller

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    Quote Originally Posted by fana View Post
    I don't think you get what I was complaining about. It's fine for me to say you didn't like Oda not drawing something. What I don't get is the speculation that Oda planned to and changed his mind.

    And it seems to be a trend in this forum lately ever since Oda's "the end is near" comment and Greg pseudo-insider cryptic comments.
    You should look at other places, is pretty much the same thing and in some cases even worse than that. But I'm not letting a few annoyances diminish my enjoyment.
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    Well my enjoyment of the manga remains fine thankfully.

    It's just criticisms that I could find interesting to debate get ruined in my mind by all these "pretend to know the behind the scenes" comments.

    It's something that I find elsewhere in movie or TV show discussions and I wish it wasn't getting its way in a manga discussion, a genre that has the advantage of the creation being quite secret.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    I don't give a crap about the mink fights or Jack. But cutting them DID actively hurt *this* chapter. (as well as previous chapters.)

    Luffy split the sky! Holy crap its a big huge epic moment!

    Except that it landed flat.

    Yeah it was cool but we already got Luffy being Kaidou's equal chapters ago when he figured out the haki trick. No one in the chapter commented on the sky split, there were no reactions... it was just a plot device to clear up the moon for the minks.

    A moon... that had only been covered this same chapter.

    So the scene falls flat... because of what Oda DIDN'T show earlier.

    Really, Cat and Dog hould have just... not transformed into sulong a few chapters ago and been shown to be struggling a tiny bit more would have gone a long way. It would have made their scene stronger AND the sky split more impactful. But when its handled as less of "Luffy is doing something epic" and more "Well that's convenient... AGAIN"... something in it just doesn't click. Just a few chapters ago they had *exactly* the cliffhanger they needed with the sky clearing htis chapter, where yu got that two page spread of them transformed at last, and a promise of them about to kick ass. Put that same exact moment here instead, and then next chapter give them each one or two pages to kick butt then do those finishers, and it all works much better and more satisfyingly.

    But that's not what we got.

    And that sucks. I want to feel the awesome powerful badass moment but it just didn't land. I felt everything Luffy was doing last chapter with Yamato, and I thought the Momo stuff was good this chapter. But the sky split? A huge epic to-be-iconic moment? Just didn't leave an impact like it should have.

    The corner cutting, on top of the random finishing threads then repeating them, (How many times have we finished Orochi now?) is getting in the way of more story points than just the stuff being cut.

    No one is asking for a big 5 chapters of the minks fighting Jack on camera. No one expect that. But.. even a handful of panels over the last 30 or 40 chapters would have gone a long way.

    Oda IS better than that. So when he shortchanges something to this extreme, and also drops the ball on things like Nami and Usopp's "fight", which again missed partly becaue he off-cameraed much of it, stuff starts to fall flat.

    A big climax moment doesn't work if there's no actual buildup to it. It's absolutely a weakness he has now that he didn't used to. So all three o the big impact moments at the end of this chapter, the sky slit and the two KO moves... all three of them should have been big "FINALLY!" and "THAT WAS AWESOME!" moments, and instead none of them hit because they weren't given even the tiniest bit of room to breathe.
    100% agree with everything you said. Well stated. The build up is simply lacking in many places and a lot of the stuff being given priority (i.e. reaction shots) could probably be better spent fleshing out conflicts or plot elements that have already been started.

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    Robby mentioning the randomly finishing threads and repeating them really summarizes it well for me, that one will definitely hurt in rereads. It already feels wasteful in the weekly format how Oda has been repeating himself(hence why I often mention how weird the shuffling around is because what I actually mean with that it has lead to repeating certain beats). I would assume in one go it will be even more jarring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megadoomer View Post
    Luffy splitting the sky was great, and a definite sign of how far he's come, but otherwise, I wasn't a fan of this chapter. When I saw the early spoilers, I thought I might be jumping the gun, but my issues with those spoilers seem even worse in the context of the chapter.

    A minor issue that I had was Momo biting Kaidou and making him scream out in pain. Given that Kaidou's skin has been built up to be extremely difficult to get through, with Luffy needing to specifically train in advanced armament haki to be able to do it, and the Nine Red Scabbards barely being able to pull it off, it seems weird that Momo can just do it without even knowing that it's a big deal. (it seems to undermine Kaidou's threat as a villain when someone who was an untrained eight year old five minutes ago, and still is one mentally, can make him scream out in pain)
    Seems you assumed Kaido's tough skin had something to do with something he has done or just the way he is when it seems to be due to him eating a mythical dragon zoan.

    Given that the copy of that mythical zoan was able to pierce it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fana View Post
    As I said in the spoiler thread, I loved this chapter. Just a pity that Jack never got to have named attacks. I would have loved to see some Mammoth puns.

    Also, it was just one panel but I loved that back-to-back Zoro/Sanji panel. It gives a little hope that their fights might include some co-op.

    Anyway, I don't mind reading negative opinions that differ from mine. It's the constant speculations on Oda's "plans" to justify something you didn't like that really bother me nowadays in this forum.

    If you didn't like something and want to express it, it's absolutely fine. Just don't generalize your opinion as if it is shared by everyone.

    But comments that are basically "Oda would have gone in a direction that would satisfy me but he changed his plans" or "Oda cut the fight/scene I wanted to see to finish the manga earlier or because of editorial decision" are just stupid to me.

    You'll never know Oda's plans. Stick to the actual work in your criticism and stop trying to be meta about it. You'll only sound silly to me.
    Yeah, its extra annoying to read ppl constantly saying this happened cuz the story is finishing soon and Oda is cutting corners
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    I have a confession to make. I have never really recognized Perospero as one of Big Mom's top men, and I consistently forget until the story reminds me. He has never, ever felt important or strong and it's been weird seeing him included in this arc. I'm just glad he's out of the battle for now.

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    Oh man, I thought like the last chapter felt like a great end to volume 101, but even though this one doesn't have quite as memorable a final page it's hard to imagine the book being complete without Luffy and Kaido splitting the sky. It's the perfect climax to the throughline of Luffy's recovery and Momo's ageing up that's been developing at a rate of like one page per chapter for most of the volume. Plus the chapter title would make for a pretty great volume name, something the first 10 chapters of volume 101 didn't have a whole lot of.

    The Bellmere callback on the cover is super cute, and that's all that needs to be said about it.

    I'm in two minds about the sudden weather change used to setup the core moment of this chapter. We do get the in-universe explanation that dragons bring stormclouds with them, and we've seen Kaido's dragon form ride in with dark clouds behind it when he was first revealed, but he *didn't* make any clouds the first time he went dragon on the rooftop, even fighting against the sulong minks among the Scabbards. So why now? I might be inclined to call the weather change something contrived in order to get the haki clash moment, but the result is so cool that I've already completely forgiven it.

    The dragon battle looks absolutely incredible. Kaido's dragon form has always made for really memorable visuals, which almost makes me wish we had more time with both him and Momo onscreen. I particularly love the image of Momo spiralling aroud the blast breath. I'm sure some will complain about Momo's bite hurting Kaido because it doesn't hit their powerscaling headcanons, but I think it's a worthwhile moment. It's great that the thing that pushes Momo past his fear isn't just getting big, but standing up in a meaningful way to his greatest fear, even if he did so with a whole lot of Luffy's help. I don't think the effect of the bite means he suddenly has advanced haki or anything like that - we saw from Kid's tactics during the Supernovas' rooftop bout that Kaido's insides are vulnerable to being crushed even while his scales remain impenetrable, and any reasonable guess at the jaw strength of a predator that size says its bite would freaking hurt. Or just follow the Pokemon logic that dragon beats dragon.

    And man, what great therapy it must be to make Kaido scream and live to tell of it. I'd be feeling invincible if I was in Momo's position.

    As much as I love the detail of the skull's eye remaining broken where Momo broke in last chapter, I keep glancing at it and thinking it's a speech bubble, wondering why it's been left blank.

    Carrot being reduced to yelling Catviper's name and not getting to help fell Perospero was pretty disappointing. Whole Cake Island made her one of the most prominent non-Strawhat characters for more than seven volumes, literally years of real-world time. It's fine for her to fall back into the fringes now that arc is over, but for her to be sidelined so hard in a fight she was present for and had such a genuine emotional stake in feels like a disservice to her former prominence. Well guess if nothing else it shows Oda doesn't feel pressured at all by poll results in making plans for his characters.

    Love the panel of Zoro and Sanji fighting back to back. Looking forward to getting back to that scene.

    The chapter ends with a series of truly gorgeous spreads. I love that Luffy's sky plitting moment is something that actually has an impact on the wider battle. So much of CoC prior to the coating revelation has just been a way for high level guys to dickmeasure before coming to blows.

    Oh, and Orochi's still kicking, surprising no one.

    I'm not the first to say it, but I think it's pretty likely the remaining enemies will continue to go down in pairs, save for Big Mom. Orochi and Fukurokuju would be a good set to take out together. I think Orochi's done trying to fight, having set fire to Kaido's house and lost seven out of his presumed eight lives already. He's come right to the back door of the castle, so I think he's just gonna creep out. My bet's still on Denjiro tracking him down, having learned to predict him through all those years as a lapdog. Feels likely Hyori could get involved as well, but I don't see Oda making her into a fighter this late in the game. That leaves Apoo and Hawkins and King and Queen, plus Big Mom. The remaining Numbers might show up to keep the fodder busy, but I'm not expecting much from them. I'm expecting these beats to play out fairly quickly over the next few chapters, leaving the second half of volume 102 to be completely Luffy vs Kaido.

    Solid chapter overall with some absolutely vital moments and great visuals. I never really understood the hype surrounding Jack or the need to get another drawn out clash with him after he got all of Zou to himself, but I can understand feeling underwhelmed by Perospero's showing at Onigashima. The dude had a lot of narrative baggage pinned to him from Whole Cake Island and Oda decided to use almost none of it and instead had him felled by a character who wasn't even part of that arc. It's not as much of a miss as Page One and Ulti's sudden defeats, but it still feels like a story beat that needed more time in the oven. Regardless, I think the Onigashima battle's gotten a lot more right than it has wrong since the Supernovas hit the roof and I'm really looking forward to seeing how it concludes.

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    I said all about my grievances about this chapter at the spoiler thread, so now I can praise the chapter rightfully.

    Finally!! I can see the ending!! Last duel of Luffy and Kaido (with Yamato on side), and a few stragglers like Orochi etc. I don't even think King and Queen would last more than 2 chapters, which is suck for Sanji and King as they really need those developments, but such is life.

    Oh and did we really need those 2 early pages...?
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