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    Quote Originally Posted by auem View Post
    I would say he finished 24th because the poll happened during Wano arc. Historically running arc characters did better in popular poll. We will see how he is placed in next(and final) poll.He is not the character to have enduring effect.
    Of course characters are more popular in their own arcs, but compare Oden to any other wanoise -- Oden is miles ahead of them, with the sole exception of Yamato. So, as you can see, Oden could easily have placed anywhere in the rankings with other wanoise characters, but he did way better because he is popular. You can see that in a single visit to Reddit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theackwardstation View Post
    Don't generalize your experience. Oden is the 24th most popular character in the series according to the last official worldwide OP popularity poll -- and his popularity shows in any internet forum not named Arlong Park.
    Yea it's really amusing to see someone pretend otherwise that Oden isn't crazy popular overall. I think the only flashback character more popular in said global poll is Corazon?

    Also like, just off the top of my head Rebecca from Dressrosa has a far more mixed reputation among the fandom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blissed View Post
    Yea it's really amusing to see someone pretend otherwise that Oden isn't crazy popular overall. I think the only flashback character more popular in said global poll is Corazon?

    Also like, just off the top of my head Rebecca from Dressrosa has a far more mixed reputation among the fandom.
    And yet she placed 29th in the poll taking place during Dressrosa, only a few numbers lower than Oden who is at 24 (since that poll was Japan only though it might be more fair to compare her spot to Oden's Japanese ranking... which is at 26).

    That said there is a fanbase for Oden that shouldn't be ignored. He's not unpopular, he's divisive. Also Oden ranking so far ahead of almost every other Wano character is kinda sad, shows how little impact the rest of the cast has.
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    Oden, popular?. Well everybody got their problems.

    You like who you like. Me personally don’t like this character. He had or has no impact on me as a reader. Could have done without his flashback. I think he would have been better as we knew him before the flashback and that’s how he should have remained.

    Someone mentioned Corazon in comparison to Oden. Please don’t make me laugh. Corazon story captured my attention, it didn’t start that way. I thought that Corazon was gonna be what Oden is to me, a jokey character, someone that I don’t give a crap about and annoys me. Nope, Corazon was just using weird trickery and even annoyance as a disguise hahahaha. But in truth Corazon story was saving Law and did it in such a “YEAH” way. Somebody described Corazon story as coming out of nowhere and bizarre storyline and character and at some moments it kind seemed that way to me but It’s not. He earned me with his cared for Law and his sacrifice.

    Yeah Oden sacrificed himself too but i have no interest. As a reader he did not capture me. He’s a jokey character to me. I never found him or his story serious. Maybe he should have been more dramatic or something, I don’t know. He just seemed like the representation of Pandaman
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfwood View Post
    Oden is kind of the Marineford war of characters.
    Am I finally meeting someone else that isnt a fan of Marineford? I thought those where myths.

    But yes Oden's chadness resonnated well with most people from what I can see out of the forum.



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    It is resssuring to know that i get to hang out in one of the few places where thinking Oden is a dick is a valid opinion. Can you be patriotic for a shit posting manga forum? Because this anti-Odeness is really appealing to my flag waving side.

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    I find it hilarious that Oden's flashback made me more sympathetic towards Orochi than Oden and the scabbards (except maybe Kin'emon).

    One comparison analysis I'd love to see someday is Otohime and Oden, seeing how they're both leadership figures who are beloved by their subjects and carry a dream that directly influences their closest ones and the future of their country. One character hit all the right notes for me, the highlight of an arc I otherwise consider the lowest point of the series, and the other... yeah.
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    Lets keep the hatetorade on Oden alive.

    Before the flashback I thought this character was a very respectable character. I thought that he was gonna be like Yasuie before the smiley but he turned out to be like Yasuie AFTER the Smiley. He is a joke. He’s such a joke that when kanjuro created that fake Oden, readers thought that that indeed could be real Oden because that’s how his character was. Is he dead?. I don’t know. He is over here, no he’s over there. Where the heck is Pandaman?.

    There was an overall lack of seriousness to him. He feels like a fifth dimensional character from Superman series. The possibilities of him are vague and infinite. There’s no foundation to him, there’s no solidness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desa View Post
    Am I finally meeting someone else that isnt a fan of Marineford? I thought those where myths.
    I am still reeling from that thread where i learned that people found Marineford to be better and more enjoyable then Arlong Park. Fanservice sells i guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenchu View Post
    Lets keep the hatetorade on Oden alive.

    Before the flashback I thought this character was a very respectable character. I thought that he was gonna be like Yasuie before the smiley but he turned out to be like Yasuie AFTER the Smiley. He is a joke. He’s such a joke that when kanjuro created that fake Oden, readers thought that that indeed could be real Oden because that’s how his character was. Is he dead?. I don’t know. He is over here, no he’s over there. Where the heck is Pandaman?.

    There was an overall lack of seriousness to him. He feels like a fifth dimensional character from Superman series. The possibilities of him are vague and infinite. There’s no foundation to him, there’s no solidness.
    That lack of seriousness you talk about is exactly how I feel about Oden and about this raid in general. It's almost like fighting Kaido isn't a big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zar View Post
    And yet she placed 29th in the poll taking place during Dressrosa, only a few numbers lower than Oden who is at 24 (since that poll was Japan only though it might be more fair to compare her spot to Oden's Japanese ranking... which is at 26).

    That said there is a fanbase for Oden that shouldn't be ignored. He's not unpopular, he's divisive. Also Oden ranking so far ahead of almost every other Wano character is kinda sad, shows how little impact the rest of the cast has.
    If you agree he's not unpopular, then we agree lol, as that's my point in the first place

    People taking issue with aspects with his character is one thing, but honestly believing that the consensus is that the fandom largely did not care for him is ludicrous, especially after the global poll results.

    And Oden ranking higher than almost every new Wano character to be expected, since the arc wasted no time in stressing just how important he was. Just because he's dead doesn't change that, as we already showed with Corazon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blissed View Post
    If you agree he's not unpopular, then we agree lol, as that's my point in the first place

    People taking issue with aspects with his character is one thing, but honestly believing that the consensus is that the fandom largely did not care for him is ludicrous, especially after the global poll results.

    And Oden ranking higher than almost every new Wano character to be expected, since the arc wasted no time in stressing just how important he was. Just because he's dead doesn't change that, as we already showed with Corazon.
    Ah yeah, sorry if I sounded dismissive. I meant to point out that using his poll standing as proof of popularity had potential flaws, but otherwise I agree.

    Like him or hate him, Oden at least feels like a realized character with a presence, which was very welcome after two acts of relatively bland characters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfwood View Post
    I am still reeling from that thread where i learned that people found Marineford to be better and more enjoyable then Arlong Park. Fanservice sells i guess.
    I overall enjoyed Marineford, but it is definitely weaker compared to a lot of other arcs with it being mostly fanservice and just fights left and right, which when it comes to what I enjoy most about the series fights are at the bottom of the list. Also, with Arlong Park being my favorite arc that's crazy that people find Marineford of all arcs better than Arlong Park. Generally those kind of people seem to be one of two groups, people who've gone through the series once, so Arlong Park is a distant memory, or those who are more fight junkies. Of course there are probably outliers of those two groups, but that had been my general interactions from the past.

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    Ah yeah, sorry if I sounded dismissive. I meant to point out that using his poll standing as proof of popularity had potential flaws, but otherwise I agree.

    Like him or hate him, Oden at least feels like a realized character with a presence, which was very welcome after two acts of relatively bland characters.
    Hard disagree with Oden being a fully realized character, though can agree that most of the characters from the previous acts being unmemorable. I had to drop Wano for over a year due to how little I cared for what was going on and no investment in any of the characters that had been introduced. At most I was invested with Kinimon and Kanjuro since we had a little more time with them before. Momo became a little more interesting but I still haven't been completely invested in him even now. The bloat of cast has really made it hard to be invested in this arc compared to a lot of previous arcs for me.

    Since I've probably been coming off pretty hard, if you are someone who does like Oden, I'm glad you do since that means you are getting more enjoyment out of this arc. Unfortunately for me and others here, that's not the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Franky Tank View Post
    Hard disagree with Oden being a fully realized character, though can agree that most of the characters from the previous acts being unmemorable. I had to drop Wano for over a year due to how little I cared for what was going on and no investment in any of the characters that had been introduced. At most I was invested with Kinimon and Kanjuro since we had a little more time with them before. Momo became a little more interesting but I still haven't been completely invested in him even now. The bloat of cast has really made it hard to be invested in this arc compared to a lot of previous arcs for me.

    Since I've probably been coming off pretty hard, if you are someone who does like Oden, I'm glad you do since that means you are getting more enjoyment out of this arc. Unfortunately for me and others here, that's not the case.
    No worries, I'm not too fond of Oden either. And even if I did like him I'm more than glad for people to express different opinions.

    When i say fully realized I think of it as Oden having a strong personality and a clear purpose. I'd go so far and say he even has a few flaws making him more human, like his inability to rely on others or the insatiable curiosity for exploration. In a complete vacuum I like the guy. But the way he's treated in the story is absurd.

    Oden putting down a food dish to eat on the grave of a dear friend? Completely in character.

    The grieving relatives secretly admiring him for this and Oden receiving no real consequences for his actions? That's where it falls apart.

    Rinse and repeat for the whole flashback. A strong character that's utilized horribly.

    That's the way i see it at least, though I fully understand if you or others disagree with that view. There's also an interesting question what "fully realized" means in the first place. If we include that the character must be utilized well in the story, then I'd agree that he doesn't meet the requirements.

    And interesting to see you dropped the series for that long. I believe I've kept reading all the way through, but for the first two acts of Wano I was barely hanging on and considered dropping it. It wasn't until Onigashima that I got into it again, and by then I couldn't even remember what happened previously. Something something samurai. Had to re-read the arc to get up to date.
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    Can't understand how someone dislikes Oden

    Sure he made a pact with a rat, he was an idiot for trusting the invaders of his home country

    but maybe that dancing naked for 5 years made him crazy strong since before that he got sent flying by Roger and after that he almost killed Kaidou!! ( which in my eyes Kaidou is stronger than Roger with 40 failed executions attempts compared to a solo successful one ) .

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    No worries, I'm not too fond of Oden either. And even if I did like him I'm more than glad for people to express different opinions.

    When i say fully realized I think of it as Oden having a strong personality and a clear purpose. I'd go so far and say he even has a few flaws making him more human, like his inability to rely on others or the insatiable curiosity for exploration. In a complete vacuum I like the guy. But the way he's treated in the story is absurd.

    Oden putting down a food dish to eat on the grave of a dear friend? Completely in character.

    The grieving relatives secretly admiring him for this and Oden receiving no real consequences for his actions? That's where it falls apart.

    Rinse and repeat for the whole flashback. A strong character that's utilized horribly.

    That's the way i see it at least, though I fully understand if you or others disagree with that view. There's also an interesting question what "fully realized" means in the first place. If we include that the character must be utilized well in the story, then I'd agree that he doesn't meet the requirements.

    And interesting to see you dropped the series for that long. I believe I've kept reading all the way through, but for the first two acts of Wano I was barely hanging on and considered dropping it. It wasn't until Onigashima that I got into it again, and by then I couldn't even remember what happened previously. Something something samurai. Had to re-read the arc to get up to date.
    It really does come down to personal preference. For me there's nothing inherently wrong about his character, just that he didn't personally leave an impression on me. Though for me it still comes down to the flashback not having a clear focus. Past flashbacks usually have a pretty clear focus, and even if a large amount of time goes by you have an emotional core. For example with Franky's flashback, a lot of time goes by but it focuses on Tom building the train and certain aspects revolving around that. Also, most other flashbacks have a character we've known for a bit so that helps make us care up front. Oden's flashback seems to lack a clear focus to me, not really zeroing in on a something to make me attached to his character. Also doesn't help it was the longest flashback we've had now.

    As for dropping the series, I had been reading weekly for about a decade and sometime into Wholecake Island I started to get fatigue. By the time Wano was starting I was reading more out of obligation rather than because I wanted to. Took a long trip early last year before Covid really hit so when I got back having not had time to read a few chapters I took a hiatus and waited until I decided I was interested enough to get back in and also started from the beginning to help rekindle my love for the series. While not falling in love with the arc reading in bulk and being more engaged I have found more to enjoy with Wano than when first starting, so that makes me more interested to read week to week.

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    Ah another thread turned in to an Oden hate-fest. How boring.
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    That's what happens when the arc's story isn't captivating.


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    Oden's fine, in my book. But I can understand why people may not have enjoyed his character and arc.

    Frankly, I believe Oda intended it to be this way all along, Oden being this divisive, controversial figure; all falls within Oda's aims of demonstrating how perceptions can easily flip-flop and be manipulated, both in terms of the Wano public and we the readers. He knowingly set out to irk a segment of readers with the Oden lovefest imo, but arguably also strove to capitalize on that to compel people to second-guess their initial feelings when Oden in turn hit his lows, and back again.

    Not that he truly in all likelihood ever intended for Oden to be generally viewed as anything less than an all around positive figure worthy of praise that many would appreciate, of course, but I think the expectation was also there that some others wouldn't be sold.

    Pretty sure we'll see the topic of hero worship, and its pitfalls, explored further as we go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagneticMonkey View Post
    That's what happens when the arc's story isn't captivating.
    Is that really why?

    Seems the same petty ppl have just latched on to their favorite thing to do, hate on Oden.

    Doesn't seem to matter how great a chapter is or how captivating the arc. Seen this in other arcs as well.
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