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    RIP Shuhan. At least it looks like he was able to take one of the mafia down with him.

    What's slightly worrying to me is that we don't know what Huschel's role was. He was definitely lying about being an Artificer, since his vest would have protected him otherwise, but we don't know if he was a thief or not, so it remains a mystery what happened to Kmo's gun. Unless he never had a gun and could kill with abilities, but given the nature of the set up, I think he really did start with a gun as his item to fulfill his role, and the mafia stole it. If Huschel was the thief, then its possible he and Shuhan shot each other. If he wasn't, though, then we still have a thief to find.

    Also, I alluded to this before when I questioned Jabber and KI, but I'm going to fully claim now. I am a Town Role Cop. I can see what someone's role is, but not their alignment. Night 1, I investigated Shuhan and saw that he was indeed a thief, but not whether he was a town or mafia thief. Last night I investigated KI, and saw that they were a cop, with no indication of being insane or anything. Like with Shuhan, there was zero mention of town or mafia, but I find it very unlikely that there would be a maifa cop, even with a serial killer among us, so I'm fairly certain that KI is town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by No swords style best style View Post
    Also, I alluded to this before when I questioned Jabber and KI, but I'm going to fully claim now. I am a Town Role Cop. I can see what someone's role is, but not their alignment. Night 1, I investigated Shuhan and saw that he was indeed a thief, but not whether he was a town or mafia thief. Last night I investigated KI, and saw that they were a cop, with no indication of being insane or anything. Like with Shuhan, there was zero mention of town or mafia, but I find it very unlikely that there would be a maifa cop, even with a serial killer among us, so I'm fairly certain that KI is town.
    Color me skeptical. I think we can all agree Kitsune is Town at this point, though the specifics of his role might suggest sanity or insanity once he shows up. Given my result on kmo yesterday, it's also likely that I'm sane too, though perhaps limited in some other way. And I have to say, you implied yesterday that your role implied one of us was insane. I don't see how a Role Cop would do that, and with two investigative roles it feels a bit redundant honestly.

    The Town's in a fantastic position currently and seems to have had a strong setup overall. A Role Cop would mean we're loaded with strong abilities and I can't help but notice that you've picked two pretty safe results. Certainly gets me suspicious.

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    I'm not sure about Role Cop, it could make sense considering that death hasn't revealed roles, just alignment. But except for the two thieves I'm not sure what the point of it would be.

    No swords, could you quote to where you alluded to this before?

    Besides that, I'm okay with role reveals at this point, because I think it'll help us scum hunt.

    I am a Watcher. I can target someone and determine who visited them during the night. The first night, I watched Jabberwok and saw Shuhan visit them. The second night, I watched Jabberwok again (since I thought they were a confirmed cop) but no one visited them last night.

    I did not start out with any items, nor have I received any.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwok View Post
    Color me skeptical. I think we can all agree Kitsune is Town at this point, though the specifics of his role might suggest sanity or insanity once he shows up. Given my result on kmo yesterday, it's also likely that I'm sane too, though perhaps limited in some other way. And I have to say, you implied yesterday that your role implied one of us was insane. I don't see how a Role Cop would do that, and with two investigative roles it feels a bit redundant honestly.
    I had expressed pervious concerns about you and Kitsune both being mafia and lying to us, along with the possibility of being at mylo if Kmo wasn't mafia and someone other than Huschel died at night. Going by what we knew yesterday before our now exposed mafioso hammered, if you and Kitsune were scum, or one of you was partnered with Star/Sky, all we'd be at mylo right now, and checking if Kisune was insane would have lost us the game.

    If Huschel was telling the truth about his role, then Shuhan(?)'s attempt to kill him would have failed, but we wouldn't know if Kitsune was insane or lying. I wanted to confirm for myself, as much as a role cop is able, that at least one of you is town.


    The Town's in a fantastic position currently and seems to have had a strong setup overall. A Role Cop would mean we're loaded with strong abilities and I can't help but notice that you've picked two pretty safe results. Certainly gets me suspicious.
    If the others agree to it, we can have Star or Sky keep one their role a secret, then I'll investigate them tonight and report on what the results are. If I'm lying, then everyone else could lynch me.

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    No swords, could you quote to where you alluded to this before?
    At the top of page 7 is what Jabber is referring to right now, since my thinking from back then was that the most likely situation was that one of them was a sane cop, the other was insane/lying, and I'd need to work with the sane one since our powers complemented each other.

    I also dropped a hint at the start of the game in flavor text that I had the power to figure out roles:

    Quote Originally Posted by No swords style best style View Post
    Glad to see everyone's been active today, more discussion is always a good thing. And we can figure to work together to improve our shared humble abode! Who does what to fix up our living conditions, and such. Team work makes the dream work, after all.


    I am a Watcher. I can target someone and determine who visited them during the night. The first night, I watched Jabberwok and saw Shuhan visit them. The second night, I watched Jabberwok again (since I thought they were a confirmed cop) but no one visited them last night.

    I did not start out with any items, nor have I received any.
    Is there anyone who can back this up in any way? Because I have to admit it is a tad bit suspicious if it's impossible to verify by another person. Except by a role cop, right after the role cop admitted to investigating two completely different people, neither of which were your targets.

    Also, I didn't start with or receive any items.

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    I don't think there's any way to confirm it. Shuhan admitted to stealing from Jabberwok from the first night almost at day-start, so I didn't get a chance to question him directly.

    For the first night, I targeted Jabber because they talked a lot the first day, and I thought that someone would target them for something. The second night I thought that since Jabber seemed like a confirmed cop, that they would be a target for the mafia.

    What is interesting about the role is that I can target someone who is alive or not, so I think it's likely that other roles can target the dead, including the thieves.


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    Quote Originally Posted by No swords style best style View Post
    If Huschel was telling the truth about his role, then Shuhan(?)'s attempt to kill him would have failed, but we wouldn't know if Kitsune was insane or lying. I wanted to confirm for myself, as much as a role cop is able, that at least one of you is town.
    Well, yeah I think Huschel was lying about his role because in fact he said the thing about the vest, but he's dead now. Maybe he was a thief and was the one who stole kmo's gun.

    If the others agree to it, we can have Star or Sky keep one their role a secret, then I'll investigate them tonight and report on what the results are. If I'm lying, then everyone else could lynch me.
    Well, I kinda want to reveal my role as I have some important information to share.... but let's see what the others want to do about it. It seems Sky already revealed theirs, so yeah >.<

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    Quote Originally Posted by starlalilymoon View Post
    Well, I kinda want to reveal my role as I have some important information to share.... but let's see what the others want to do about it. It seems Sky already revealed theirs, so yeah >.<
    The reason I say this is because it concerns a theory I have of what happened to Huschel and Shuhan, and who killed who.

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    So everyone's apparently got a role. Interesting. I'm going to assume that both Huschel and the second mafia have powers beyond their standard Night Kill, and it's very possible that one of those roles doesn't involve stealing.

    Also, mafia's definitely got whatever item was stolen from kmohyudin, and I highly doubt it was a One-Shot Gun. Whether it was on Huschel or in the hands of the second is unknown. Perhaps starla has some insight on this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwok View Post
    I'm going to assume that both Huschel and the second mafia have powers beyond their standard Night Kill, and it's very possible that one of those roles doesn't involve stealing.
    That sounds scary.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwok View Post
    Also, mafia's definitely got whatever item was stolen from kmohyudin, and I highly doubt it was a One-Shot Gun. Whether it was on Huschel or in the hands of the second is unknown. Perhaps starla has some insight on this?
    I do have some insight. So my role is Coroner, and my ability is where I can check the bodies of the dead and get information and items. Kmo was indeed a thief, but not any one thief, a master thief. And... the items were a ski mask and two lockpicks. So, I assume he did have a gun but it got stolen by Huschel? I think this as Kmo was telling the truth about the lockpicks, and I doubt he had two. So, seems like he was telling the truth and stole it from Huschel, so that means Huschel was a thief as well and stole Kmo's gun?

    I think he then used it to kill Shuhan, and Shuhan tried to kill him. Though I didn't get any information about the lockpicks or what it is for, but it seems to be a thing used for thieves to break into places from my understanding. So my only bet is to examine Huschel's body to see if he has kmo's gun to prove my theory, but I don't know if it be a good idea to wait another day, and lose another one of us to the mafia. What do y'all think of my theory?

    Sorry No Swords, I had to reveal it, as this is very important stuff that might help us determine who the last mafia is.

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    Aah, perhaps the ski mask prevented me from seeing kmo visit anyone. Or rather, if I'd targeted someone who kmo stole from, I would've only gotten the knowledge that *someone had visited that person, rather than kmo himself.

    To be completely honest, star's information seems to match pretty well to how the set up has been revealed so far, and makes sense when we have abilities to target the dead for things as well.

    I feel as though the two cop type claims have come through well, so I think it makes sense that No swords and myself are the top candidates for the last mafia. Obviously, I know that I'm town-aligned so my bet is No swords. I think it'll ultimately be up to the town to decide, but I think that with our current numbers, even if we vote out a townie, and somehow the last mafia kills during the night, we still have another day to vote them out.

    So I'm pretty confident leaving this here for now. I'll hope that Kitsune's report has something fruitful, but I think we also may be able to simply scum hunt as well.

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    Sky is Not Guilty.

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    How delightful! Three suspects, three stories, and one of them is lying! Someone call Rian Johnson, I've already got the plot for Knives Out 3!

    Okay, so it feels like the obvious choice here is to lynch No swords since he's the only one we don't have a read on and he hasn't really been able to offer any new information.

    However, I don't fully trust starla either. Coroner's a neat role that fits with the ability to steal from bodies but that's a role that could potentially work for mafia too. The result of two lockpicks and a ski mask begs the question how much did kmo steal from someone else, if any? Genuinely stealing a lockpick from Huschel seems like the obvious answer... Moreover, I still believe kmo when he said he was stolen from. Does that mean the thief chose at random, took multiple things (unlikely), or got to pick one thing to steal? And we still don't know what lockpicks even do, either. So despite my Not Guilty result on starla I'm still somewhat suspicious.

    Kitsune's result on Sky and her roleclaim both seem good to me. With items still out there it's hard to be 100% sure but she seems the likeliest to be Town out of the three of you.

    Kitsune's obviously Town at this point. Seems to me like the best course of action is to lynch No swords today and starla tomorrow if the game's still going. I'm definitely open to discussion though.

    Just to confirm with everyone, nothing was stolen from a live person last night?

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    Kits, would you mind confirming your role title?

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    I'm not sure who to lynch to be honest. I feel like I need more information, but I don't know what else to ask. Though I do agree that Sky is mostly likely town due to Kitsune's report.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwok View Post
    How delightful! Three suspects, three stories, and one of them is lying! Someone call Rian Johnson, I've already got the plot for Knives Out 3!
    Wait there was a second one? 0.0

    Okay, so it feels like the obvious choice here is to lynch No swords since he's the only one we don't have a read on and he hasn't really been able to offer any new information.
    Hmmm, I see. Though I want to see what else he has to say.

    However, I don't fully trust starla either. Coroner's a neat role that fits with the ability to steal from bodies but that's a role that could potentially work for mafia too. The result of two lockpicks and a ski mask begs the question how much did kmo steal from someone else, if any? Genuinely stealing a lockpick from Huschel seems like the obvious answer... Moreover, I still believe kmo when he said he was stolen from. Does that mean the thief chose at random, took multiple things (unlikely), or got to pick one thing to steal? And we still don't know what lockpicks even do, either. So despite my Not Guilty result on starla I'm still somewhat suspicious.
    What can I do to prove that I'm town? What would you like to know?

    Just to confirm with everyone, nothing was stolen from a live person last night?
    I have not gotten anything stolen, and the only items I have now are the ones I got from kmo. I think the lockpicks are just that for thieves to break into people's homes. It's a bit useless to me though, but it gives us some clues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwok View Post
    How delightful! Three suspects, three stories, and one of them is lying! Someone call Rian Johnson, I've already got the plot for Knives Out 3!

    Okay, so it feels like the obvious choice here is to lynch No swords since he's the only one we don't have a read on and he hasn't really been able to offer any new information.

    However, I don't fully trust starla either. Coroner's a neat role that fits with the ability to steal from bodies but that's a role that could potentially work for mafia too. The result of two lockpicks and a ski mask begs the question how much did kmo steal from someone else, if any? Genuinely stealing a lockpick from Huschel seems like the obvious answer... Moreover, I still believe kmo when he said he was stolen from. Does that mean the thief chose at random, took multiple things (unlikely), or got to pick one thing to steal? And we still don't know what lockpicks even do, either. So despite my Not Guilty result on starla I'm still somewhat suspicious.

    Kitsune's result on Sky and her roleclaim both seem good to me. With items still out there it's hard to be 100% sure but she seems the likeliest to be Town out of the three of you.

    Kitsune's obviously Town at this point. Seems to me like the best course of action is to lynch No swords today and starla tomorrow if the game's still going. I'm definitely open to discussion though.

    Just to confirm with everyone, nothing was stolen from a live person last night?


    Kits, would you mind confirming your role title?
    My title is just Town Cop and I still have my item which is a one-shot roleblock taser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starlalilymoon View Post
    Wait there was a second one? 0.0
    The second one's already in production so I'm just trying to stay ahead of the game

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    What can I do to prove that I'm town? What would you like to know?

    I have not gotten anything stolen, and the only items I have now are the ones I got from kmo. I think the lockpicks are just that for thieves to break into people's homes. It's a bit useless to me though, but it gives us some clues.
    Still pretty confused about the lockpicks- Shuhan never mentioned having them but he was still able to steal from me no problem. You've got the items now but don't have any description for them? How would you even know how to use them then?

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    Considering what we know about the setup and the reveals, I am inclined to believe starla's claim. We don't know anything about individuals who die beyond their alignment, and Starla's role offers insight into that. I feel like unless she's being coached (which is unlikely given we had no kill information before last night and the only information we had, that kmo was a serial killer, is pretty self-explanatory), her claim fits neatly with the game's quirk of deaths revealing no information.

    @starla, what action did you perform on the first night?

    Sky isn't really suspicious to me, but there is still possibility of a Godfather, which would balance out the fact that we have so many powerful, seemingly normal investigation roles.

    No swords is the most suspicious to me by virtue of being the only person in the game who isn't cleared by an investigative role. But also the role cop claim is a little dubious. Then again so is a Watcher. There are so many roles with reports going around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwok View Post
    The second one's already in production so I'm just trying to stay ahead of the game
    I have the first one on DVD, and I still need to see it! x3

    Still pretty confused about the lockpicks- Shuhan never mentioned having them but he was still able to steal from me no problem. You've got the items now but don't have any description for them? How would you even know how to use them then?
    I never got a description on the ski mask or lock picks, I was just told that kmo had these items. I was just theorizing on what the lockpicks could be used for, though looking again at the description for kmo Master Thief role, it seems they were not needed to steal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kitsune Inferno View Post
    @starla, what action did you perform on the first night?
    I didn't do any because there was no one dead. I could only inspect a person that died to see their role/role description and what items they had on them.

    Sky isn't really suspicious to me, but there is still possibility of a Godfather, which would balance out the fact that we have so many powerful, seemingly normal investigation roles.
    What's the difference between a Godfather and a regular mafia member? (I'm still new to the game, so trying to understand how different roles work.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by starlalilymoon View Post
    I never got a description on the ski mask or lock picks, I was just told that kmo had these items. I was just theorizing on what the lockpicks could be used for, though looking again at the description for kmo Master Thief role, it seems they were not needed to steal.
    I'm a bit confused. What you said in these two posts
    Quote Originally Posted by starlalilymoon View Post
    I do have some insight. So my role is Coroner, and my ability is where I can check the bodies of the dead and get information and items. Kmo was indeed a thief, but not any one thief, a master thief. And... the items were a ski mask and two lockpicks. So, I assume he did have a gun but it got stolen by Huschel? I think this as Kmo was telling the truth about the lockpicks, and I doubt he had two. So, seems like he was telling the truth and stole it from Huschel, so that means Huschel was a thief as well and stole Kmo's gun?
    Quote Originally Posted by starlalilymoon View Post
    I have not gotten anything stolen, and the only items I have now are the ones I got from kmo. I think the lockpicks are just that for thieves to break into people's homes. It's a bit useless to me though, but it gives us some clues.
    seems to say you have these items now. Do you have them, or did you just receive a list of items that were on the body?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwok View Post
    I'm a bit confused. What you said in these two posts


    seems to say you have these items now. Do you have them, or did you just receive a list of items that were on the body?
    Well, relooking at my description it seems I do have the items, though when I did my night action, I was told this was what was on the person. So, I guess I do have them? >.<

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    So, from my understanding, I do actually have the items from my role description, but when I did my night action, I was never told what the items actually did, only that this was what was in their possession. I hope that makes sense. ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitsune Inferno View Post
    Sky is Not Guilty.

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    Just in case we want to sus the rest of this out.
    Okay. I'm glad I was cleared. I'm still down to vote out No swords today and if not them, then star?

    Quote Originally Posted by starlalilymoon View Post
    Well, relooking at my description it seems I do have the items, though when I did my night action, I was told this was what was on the person. So, I guess I do have them? >.<

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    So, from my understanding, I do actually have the items from my role description, but when I did my night action, I was never told what the items actually did, only that this was what was in their possession. I hope that makes sense. ^^
    Okay, so your role allows you to visit the dead, take every item they had, and learn their role? That has the potential to be pretty powerful, so I'm not quite convinced, but the way you've presented the info so far has me leaning towards you being town.


    So I think if we all agree, we can either lynch no swords today, or go through another night to determine if people are telling the truth about their roles. Assumably, if No swords role is real, they can visit Huschel during the night to find out their role, and star can also visit Huschel to confirm his role(and get his items).
    If I also target Huschel, I would be able to see that both of them 'visited' during the night.

    However, I'm still leaning towards lynching today, since we're in a good position.


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    Even without investigating her, I believe that Star is telling the truth about her role, if not her alinement. It seems way too intricate and detailed to be making up out of nowhere, especially for a new player.

    Quote Originally Posted by starlalilymoon View Post
    Sorry No Swords, I had to reveal it, as this is very important stuff that might help us determine who the last mafia is.
    No problem, being more honest now will help with scum hunting. It may have been a little selfish of me to bring up keeping roles a secret just so I could have a chance to prove I'm telling the truth.


    Also, this might be a crazy idea, but hear me out:

    After checking the mafia wiki, it says that FBI agents usually just get a guilty reading on serial killers and no one else. And of all the players still alive, basically all of us agree that myself, Star, and Sky are the most suspicious. If we lynched one of us today, and then another of the three or Kitsune died at night, then Jabber is the safest person on the final day, since we've all seen him as getting an accurate read on Kmo. But thinking about this differently, all he would need to be "confirmed" as an FBI agent would be the knowledge that Kmo is a serial killer.

    So what if Jabber is actually a mafia role cop, or similar equivalent, and just used the knowledge he gained from checking Kmo night 1?


    Looking back at day 2, the momentum for lynching was almost completely on Huschel under Jabber brought up his report. It's not like it was super risky for Jabber to do it, since he would be validated when Kmo died if he knew his role. Since then, none of us have doubted or investigated Jabber. I haven't done it, Kitsune hasn't done it, heck, it Sky is telling the truth, then she was protecting Jabber both nights until now, in a way. No one here has ever double checked or suspected anything in regards to Jabber after his claim.

    And while Jabber did mention the idea of Shuhan shooting Huschel, he wasn't the first one to bring it up; Sky was. But it still let Huschel have a night action he very, very likely would not have been permitted otherwise. Like, say, using the gun he stole at least once.

    Plus, nobody's claimed to have any sort of protective role or used a protective item, yet everyone lived through night one. And if the mafia really do each have a night power, like Jabber just brought up, then it's very possible we've had a mafia thief/mafia role cop combo, who needed items to kill. If they decided to both target Kmo night 1, they could have then acted based on that information in addition Kitsune's report. Heck, if this is the case, then its possible Huschel was the role cop and Jabber is the thief, and they privately exchanged information after Huschel was exposed so Jabber could both get suspicion off of himself and keep the gun he stole.

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