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    So it's safe to say that the Raid Suits were made using Devil Fruits' lineage factor (hence the familiar powers)?


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    Technically, she would be returning them to her present, not to the past. And only those she sent to the future in the first place, not anyone who exists in the future. Sounds like a perfectly reasonable loophole to me.
    "Mankind cannot return to the past, only travel further into the future" is very clear. It's supposed to say travel backwards in any form is impossible. Because then the future becomes the present, and she's now in the past. It would still contradict the words of the person who held the fruit for literal centuries.

    I'm sure Oda would've not introduced it this way, especially to prevent such a glaring contradiction.

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    May be the Oden they are seeing is of the time when he was on Raftel. There might be some thing on Raftel which allows some one to briefly visit future. Hence the prophecy of nine people and Roger's wait for some one. Roger on future might also have briefly visited future and met strawhats (of future i.e post-wano timeline).





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    I still think Oden being Kanjuro's doing would be the best solution. it'd make sense for him to change sides once he found out of Orochi's fate, I think the Kurozumi deseprately need a redemption arc or we'll be stuck with the "Bloodline genocided for being evil but being actually evil so it was kinda ok in the end", and him making a "tribute" of sorts to Oden can be nice on it's own.
    Drawing him is a reasonable thing to come as the first idea to gain their trust for him, and on the account of him being left for dead outside tha castle, we all know all too well that being cut open by steel sword is but a minor inconvenience in this world.
    The problem with this theory is that 1. He wouldn't have a reason to bother and drawing new swords instead of his original ones 2.The silhouette from a couple chapters ago doesn't match him nor oden.

    The fox remains the most likely one, but why oden? just to motivate them? i mean they of all people should know that oden died 20 years ago, but this oden seems determined to pose as the real thing and not a ghost of anything, so they're bound to be skeptical.


    I don't see many more solutions that wouldn't be complete asspulls, sincerely. And resolving a very cheap cliffhanger, that by the way completely overshadowed a Strawhat's spotlight moment, with an asspull, would be even less forgivable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by All Fiction View Post
    So it's safe to say that the Raid Suits were made using Devil Fruits' lineage factor (hence the familiar powers)?
    The way I understand it, the "lineage factor" is a bioengineering tool (like CRISPR). Vinsmoke Judge used it to create designer babies, Vegapunk and Caesar created fruits with it that work like magical steroids.
    Since it's a biological tool I don't see how you could apply it to the Raid suits, so I assume that's just really good, "old fashioned" technology.

    Different case could be the Pacifista. Up until this point I just assumed Vegapunk invented laser weaponry because he could study Kizaru up close, but since the Pacifista are mindwiped/altered Frankensteins it may be also related to the Laf.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabra View Post
    The way I understand it, the "lineage factor" is a bioengineering tool (like CRISPR). Vinsmoke Judge used it to create designer babies, Vegapunk and Caesar created fruits with it that work like magical steroids.
    Since it's a biological tool I don't see how you could apply it to the Raid suits, so I assume that's just really good, "old fashioned" technology.

    Different case could be the Pacifista. Up until this point I just assumed Vegapunk invented laser weaponry because he could study Kizaru up close, but since the Pacifista are mindwiped/altered Frankensteins it may be also related to the Laf.
    But we know objects can get DF powers, so it's not unconceivable that DF powers could be replicated in the suits.
    Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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    But we know objects can get DF powers, so it's not unconceivable that DF powers could be replicated in the suits.
    I guess that could be the case, but the fact that every DF-creature is a Zoan (and the artificial fruits are also all Zoan) makes it less likely that the suit abilities are related.



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    A very needed chapter for Chopper. Wano's doing a lot to correct post-timeskip issues, Chopper REALLY needed a big moment, and he finally finally got one. He's undoubtedly crucial to the cause of both the general army using his doctor skills, and he also damaged a Yonkou Commander. Which thankfully is feasible enough in Monster Point. This gives Chopper at least these moments here, and also another overlooked one where he saves Luffy's life in 951. So his achievements are starting to rack up, which is great. This lets me once again reiterate that if Oda's neglecting something, he'll eventually bring it back, it just may take forever. So this gives me faith that he'll do characters like Smoker justice even though I will admit he would have had a WAY easier job had he just included Smoker again before Wano's conclusion (and just altered Smoker's travelling destination until later).

    The tweest. It ain't Oden, my bet's on Kanjuro (probably people's first bet).

    I will say though, I'm 99% certain this is a volume 100 chapter. My expectations will only grow higher the closer we get to the end, and while this chapter was great and needed, I don't think it was quite volume 100 worthy. Just short of it, I'll say, needed a little more oomph.
    Croc or Enel would never.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaworu View Post
    I will say though, I'm 99% certain this is a volume 100 chapter. My expectations will only grow higher the closer we get to the end, and while this chapter was great and needed, I don't think it was quite volume 100 worthy. Just short of it, I'll say, needed a little more oomph.
    Volume 100 probably started in Chapter 1,005, so Robin getting a fight, Marco holding King and Queen, and now this are all in Volume 100.

    Volume 99 hasn't been announced yet, but 995-1,004 is most likely. 995 had Tama's comeback, 1,004 had the gifter conversion provided by her, so it fits.
    Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deicide View Post
    Volume 100 probably started in Chapter 1,005, so Robin getting a fight, Marco holding King and Queen, and now this are all in Volume 100.

    Volume 99 hasn't been announced yet, but 995-1,004 is most likely. 995 had Tama's comeback, 1,004 had the gifter conversion provided by her, so it fits.
    We've gotten needed character moments for sure, particularly for Straw Hats put on the backburner.

    I just want a few bombshell chapters and one major one for One Piece as a whole, this is volume 100. :P My expectations are probably too high but we'll see. Gotta get through Jinbe's moment next then hopefully we're in the Hybrid reveal to start with. In the same way chapter 1000 was important for the series as a whole though, I similarly want that for 100, so I'm hoping for more events that impact more than Wano.

    If Oda times it right he could get the intermission in here, and that'd be the perfect time for more 956/957 world reveals.
    Croc or Enel would never.
    Wanna see the "ancient civilization destroyed" thing done really well? FFXIV did a great take on it. The bar's high for One Piece to beat.

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    Oden is actually just a shared mass hallucination among the scabbards. They're all tripping on magical mushrooms. The person that was "treating" them was just drugging them. You guys and your time travel...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaworu View Post
    We've gotten needed character moments for sure, particularly for Straw Hats put on the backburner.

    I just want a few bombshell chapters and one major one for One Piece as a whole, this is volume 100. :P My expectations are probably too high but we'll see. Gotta get through Jinbe's moment next then hopefully we're in the Hybrid reveal to start with. In the same way chapter 1000 was important for the series as a whole though, I similarly want that for 100, so I'm hoping for more events that impact more than Wano.

    If Oda times it right he could get the intermission in here, and that'd be the perfect time for more 956/957 world reveals.
    I agree wholeheartedly!

    There's still 7 chapters, maybe even 8, to go with Volume 100. Plenty of chances for awesomeness.
    Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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    People have already summarized well the reasons why this "Oden" shouldn't be the real one.
    However, I could accept him to be the real Kozuki Oden under the condition that he's a ghost and his ability to manifest himself is limited.
    No time-travelling nonsense, and absolutely no fighting between him and Kaido.

    While we don't know if ghosts exist in the One Piece world (outside of Brook's DF), there are spirit-like beings like the Klabautermann. It wouldn't be too big of a stretch to say that through exceptional willpower, the spirits of the dead can manifest themselves for a a short time and with very limited ability to perform physical acts.

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    It's definitely Kanjuro! Expecting a Squard level betrayal panel soon.

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    I bet we will see Kaido's hybrid form next chapter and this fake Oden plot will be dangling around next couple of weeks.
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    Just wanted to post my feelings I had while in bed. Kawamatsu seeing the person is supposed to remind us of hiyori. then we get oden right afterward. If oden is a fakeout, what do we make of the earlier character? Is oda inviting us to look surface level and expect hiyori or to consider that person as toki? I think this chapter certainly made sense of the use of a silhouette regardless.
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    Onimaru first healed them by disguising as Toki and now encouraging them as Oden.
    Or Kanjuro feeling sundre...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabra View Post
    The way I understand it, the "lineage factor" is a bioengineering tool (like CRISPR). Vinsmoke Judge used it to create designer babies, Vegapunk and Caesar created fruits with it that work like magical steroids.
    Since it's a biological tool I don't see how you could apply it to the Raid suits, so I assume that's just really good, "old fashioned" technology.

    Different case could be the Pacifista. Up until this point I just assumed Vegapunk invented laser weaponry because he could study Kizaru up close, but since the Pacifista are mindwiped/altered Frankensteins it may be also related to the Laf.
    It's likely that the fire, electricity, poison thing is created directly on the vinsmokes with the lineage factor instead of the suit, since they can use it with their mouths and eyes. Like when raiju sucked the poison out of luffy's mouth, yonji seems to be cyborg, ichiji shoots lasers out of his eyes like superman. And sanji has the only raid suit that is technology made as in the invisibility comes from the suit because it projects the environment on the suit, for the others it only gives them flight and the cape shield. As in they didn't need the lineage factor of Absalom for sanji, since you can make stealth even with normal technology. But shooting lasers, poison thing sure seems like you would need to get the lineage factor from magellan and enel, ace, kizaru.


    Btw, this proofs that Franky is the real genius in terms of cyborg technology, because vegapunk used Kizaru's lineage factor to make pacifistas shoots lasers, but franky made something else.
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    So...maybe Moria showed up after all? If he somehow found Oden's body and put a shadow in it...

    I'm really still rooting for my theory that he's going to show up and make Luffy into Uber Nightmare Luffy so he can actually beat Kaido and now, Big Mom (since I came up with the idea before I knew those two Emperors were going to team up).

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    So...maybe Moria showed up after all? If he somehow found Oden's body and put a shadow in it...
    Oden's body would be terribly scarred, thought, and he wouldn't have emotions related to Oden's life. A zombie Oden would behave like the shadow that gives it life.
    Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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