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    I've said more than enough about Sanji's current direction already, and I can't be bothered going over it all again. Bottom line is I just really don't vibe with what Oda's been doing with him. I'm sure for people who are on board with his New World depiction the moment where he can't even turn on his haki for fear of hurting Black Maria's (brass knuckle-equipped) hand is a hilarious new extreme for his chivalry, but on my end it feels like an eyeroll-inducing new low after seeing the same character at least be able to meet Kalifa and Big Mom's attacks with his kicks for the sake of self-defence in the past.

    But I can forgive it this time. For two reasons.

    a) Even though he probably should have done so sooner, choosing to call for help and rely on his crew instead of just flaming out like he did against Kalifa does show some actual growth both from that moment and from his self-sacrifice attempts in Tottoland.

    and b) it set up the Robin and Brook tag team fight I've been missing all my life.

    Oh, and one more bit of credit I have to give the Sanji/Black Maria scene is that it's drawn and framed really well. I love how Oda uses the webs in foreground layers to break up the panels.

    This battle is something that's long overdue for Robin and she comes in with such style. She's been one of my favourite members of the crew since Ennies Lobby but it feels like she's given the spotlight so infrequently. Brook was the MVP in the last arc so I wasn't expecting anything as big for him here, but hell, I'll take him coming along for the battle. He's another underrated fave, so it really just comes together perfectly.

    Black Maria choosing to fight topless (well, naked, I guess, it's not like the spider half's wearing pants) is an interesting choice from Oda. She's still got her hair up, which is gonna make it hard enough to Godiva it in manga form, let alone what they'll have to do to keep it from going outside the anime's age rating when it all has to actually be in motion. I don't get why she needed to strip to fight in the first place though. Was she hiding that weapon in her kimono?

    And speaking of, if I had to guess the flow of the fight, the fire on that thing is going to make it hard for Robin to handle no matter how big she makes her arms. Lucky she's got Brook there to chill it out first.

    In other areas of the battle, we can see Marco getting pushed to the lower level of the dome by King, back toward the entrance. I've seen a few people incorrectly place them at the base of the castle, but you can see the ledge, the stairs and the upper level bridges and buildings between them and the castle.

    Yamato explains the spying animals. I don't know if Marys was the right choice for their name. At first I thought it might have been intended as "Merries," making the unit possibly an offshoot of the Pleasures. Stephen goes into the Japanese version and decision making on Twitter here, and I would have preferred even the most basic attempt at a pun. As it is, Marys sounds almost like it could reference a bunch of things (Black Maria's name and a play on Queen Mary, assuming a certain Lead Performer created them, being among the suggestions in the Twitter thread), none of which are even close to the mark. Even something as simple as Wallsave Eyes (thinking along the lines of Wonder Egg Priority's Seeno Evils) would at least not lead people in so many wrong directions.

    It doesn't look like Momonosuke actually got in Yamato's shirt in the escape panel, which begs the question of where he is. While we know Momo has to at least speak to Kaido before the battle is over, Yamato's narrative endgame isn't quite as clear. Opponents worthy of a 1v1 are quickly running out, with Sanji seemingly being set up to fight Jack for his redemption. If they go left they're tracking to get involved in King and Marco's battle. If they go right, it's Wanda and Carrot's fight with Perospero. I think both of those matchups are fine without having to throw Yamato into the mix. Queen feels unaccounted for at this point, but he's on the opposite end of the island and I can't see Yamato taking Momo across the heart of the battlefield just to set that up.

    I'm still not quite sure where we are in terms of the end of volume 99 and the start of volume 100. It's almost a shame we can't justify wrapping volume 99 with chapter 1003, because literally everything else feels anticlimactic by comparison. I think if I had to pick one, the mystery figure from 1004 feels a lot more like the kind of cliffhanger Oda would end a book with than the fight setup here. 12 chapters remains an outside chance, but it's never safe to bet on that.

    I think we're going to spend a little while in this phase of focusing on the crew 1v1s before we get back to the rooftop, so I'm looking forward to seeing which fight gets the spotlight in the next chapter. Maybe Carrot and Wanda, given how long it's been since we checked in with them. I'm also pretty keen for the digital volume 98 and colour volume 93 coming out on Wednesday. They feel so close and yet so far away, but they make this a good week for One Piece stuff.

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    Sanji trying to fight Jack to restore his honor? Jack, who've already getting defeated??

    Nonono, after that shameful display earlier the least Sanji can do is solo'ing either King or Queen. Not Jack!
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    Quote Originally Posted by astagadragon View Post
    Sanji trying to fight Jack to restore his honor? Jack, who've already getting defeated??

    Nonono, after that shameful display earlier the least Sanji can do is solo'ing either King or Queen. Not Jack!
    It's more about pulling his weight in the battle and making a stand where it needs to be made than it is going straight to the top of the food chain. Sanji's already a floor above where Queen is and has said outright he's moving toward the same place Jack is going. Someone has to put themself on the line to protect the wounded samurai, and most others are a long way away. I wouldn't call Jack a slouch anyway. None of the people he's lost to are to scoff at, and he just keeps getting back up. Feels similar to how people regarded Oven back in Tottoland. Sure, he kept taking hits, but he was always right back in there making the heroes' lives difficult. I don't think he was ever beaten so much as he was knocked down and run past.

    Basically every other major battle is already in progress. If Oda's going to reshuffle Sanji's trajectory in Queen's direction he's gotta do it quick.

    Not saying it can't or shouldn't happen, but right now none of the signs seem to be pointing in that direction. Aside from the necessity that someone beat Queen, anyway.

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    Who else can stop Jack? Sanji is pretty much the only choice available unless you think Hiyori can beat him, which is doubtful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Cannon View Post
    Who else can stop Jack? Sanji is pretty much the only choice available unless you think Hiyori can beat him, which is doubtful.
    I would love Yamato to fight Jacku, and honestly his current position is not an issue if Oda wants to pair them up. Yams knows Onigashima better than anyone, it's his golden cage after all. I think no one would question it if he busts out of a secret passage or what.

    Shisui-Hyori fighting Jacku would be amazing also, but yeah there is no solid base for this. White Tiger Zoan vs. Mammoth though? Tell me you wouldn't want that!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabra View Post
    I would love Yamato to fight Jacku, and honestly his current position is not an issue if Oda wants to pair them up. Yams knows Onigashima better than anyone, it's his golden cage after all. I think no one would question it if he busts out of a secret passage or what.

    Shisui-Hyori fighting Jacku would be amazing also, but yeah there is no solid base for this. White Tiger Zoan vs. Mammoth though? Tell me you wouldn't want that!
    Yamato's issue is that he has more reason to run the opposite side, since he has to keep Momo away from all the mean animal guys.

    Literally every Straw Hat is closer to Jack 's position than he is, except maybe Luffy and Zoro.

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    Yamato is on the move though, so it smells like they'll run into somebody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by King Cannon View Post
    Yamato's issue is that he has more reason to run the opposite side, since he has to keep Momo away from all the mean animal guys.
    The problem is that you're a reasonable Shinobu-style reader, but I'm a anything-goes Yamato-style reader!

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    Queen is the only big player that’s not engaged. I don’t believe Marco is meant to defeat both King and Queen. If Zoro is fighting a Yonkou, then Sanji should fight Queen and not a defeated commander. I believe Yamato, or whoever is down there or even the akazaya can finish off Jack.
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    Inarashi and Nekomamushi couldn't subdue Jack with all the Minks behind them even after five days of fighting with frequent 12 hour breaks. Nine bloody, defeated and in Kiku's case maimed Akazaya won't be able to recover like an Ancient Zoan can. Sanji will also have a hard time getting rid of Jack's weakened remains, lucky for him he's got a raid suit that might bring him up to par in terms of durability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sereques View Post
    Queen is the only big player that’s not engaged. I don’t believe Marco is meant to defeat both King and Queen. If Zoro is fighting a Yonkou, then Sanji should fight Queen and not a defeated commander. I believe Yamato, or whoever is down there or even the akazaya can finish off Jack.
    People are really keen to have Yamato cross the whole island and climb two floors to fight off Jack, even though Yamato doesn't even know about Jack or the Scabbards' situation, so he has no reason to go there. That would require Yamato to learn about the Scabbards, somehow cross the whole Live Stage (where King, Queen, Apoo, the Mimawarigumi and Oniwabanshi all are) in record time and Jack to be the slowest guy in the world. That alone would take around two-three whole chapters of setup.

    Sometimes guys, it's very simple. We have both Sanji and Jack in the same general location heading to the same general place after learning the general situation of 9 general samurai.

    There's a reason Oda's providing maps lately, so we can't just have people moving wherever.

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    If this jack vs sanji is real, then this also confirms Burgess vs Sanji. He is going for World's Strongest Jobber title, that is above World's Strongest Swordman, that you can only get by beating fodder swordmen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by King Cannon View Post
    People are really keen to have Yamato cross the whole island and climb two floors to fight off Jack, even though Yamato doesn't even know about Jack or the Scabbards' situation, so he has no reason to go there.
    To be fair, the Yamato scene this last chapter starts with Momo saying "That was Sangoro's voice" and Yamato saying "That's one of Luffy's friends." You're right that I don't think they know the situation with Jack or the Scabbards since we don't know when Yamato broke the Mary, but they definitely know Sanji's position and that he's in trouble. It's not a stretch to imagine Yamato heading that way for a few chapters while Sanji stalls Jack.

    Do I think this will happen? No. But it's certainly possible to get Yamato there to free up Sanji for a Queen fight. If every matchup was that simple, we'd still have Sanji vs. Black Maria and Marco vs. both King and Queen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinds View Post
    To be fair, the Yamato scene this last chapter starts with Momo saying "That was Sangoro's voice" and Yamato saying "That's one of Luffy's friends." You're right that I don't think they know the situation with Jack or the Scabbards since we don't know when Yamato broke the Mary, but they definitely know Sanji's position and that he's in trouble. It's not a stretch to imagine Yamato heading that way for a few chapters while Sanji stalls Jack.

    Do I think this will happen? No. But it's certainly possible to get Yamato there to free up Sanji for a Queen fight. If every matchup was that simple, we'd still have Sanji vs. Black Maria and Marco vs. both King and Queen.
    Except the chapter still positions Yamato as prioritizing Momo above all else.

    Plus, no mention whatsoever of going after Sanji. Oda is not a guy that omits that kinda stuff. He always makes clear what his characters are planning to do in the next chapters, just like he did with Sanji this chapter. Yamato is very likely just going to beat the fodder coming at him, going by his words.

    And more, Yamato is not the only person who heard the broadcast, so why exactly is he the only one who's being considered to go there? It reeks of people just wanting Sanji vs. Queen, even though Queen himself has loads of people who hate him, so he's not bound for that matchup.

    All you would have needed is a throwaway line.
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    People understimating Ancient Zoan's stamina as always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sereques View Post
    Jack fought the entire minks and Two Minks warlord that can be compared to Yonkou commanders in their Sulong form and you want to compare that to Sanji getting punched by knuckles? Jack was wheezing on his way to the samurais. If Sanji is paired with Jack, that’s an unfair fight.
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    I agree, there wasn’t a throwaway line to indicate where Yamato was headed next, so it’s very unlikely. Honestly I see a confrontation with King as much more likely since he’s after Momo. If Yamato hadn’t broken the Mary and they heard what Jack said next, then I could see them heading that way since Momo would demand to go to the scabbards, but he doesn’t know yet. I’m sure Momo’s going to see them in their battered state eventually, however. He’s the emotional tie to Kinemon, after all.

    Oda usually does make it clear where his characters are going, but sometimes he loves to just put them in motion to make a surprise appearance that makes sense. See Franky and Hacha, then Robin and Brook. However we knew their general direction. Yamato’s just entering beat-em-up mode and we don’t know where he’s going. You’re correct that they didn’t have to cross the same expanse Yamato will have to without some more setup.

    I think there's a mix of Yamato not having an opponent yet, Queen not having an opponent yet, and people wanting Sanji to have the best feat possible. Yes, other people heard the transmission, but Yamato is the only one free to act on it. Again, I don't think it'll happen, but Oda could start that buildup next chapter for all we know. At this point it's all conjecture.

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    My favorite part of the chapter is probably Robin asking if not letting Sanji go was going to be Black Maria's "Last Will." I don't think we've seen this Robin yet.
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