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    Quote Originally Posted by Deicide View Post
    Why Yamato vs. Jack may make sense:
    Some good points, but Yamato and Momo going to the top and helping out the others is still more likely, imo. Momo and Yamato have some MAJOR beef with Kaido. And I think there is just no time for the Wano MCs this arc to squabble with Jack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenix_fire View Post
    Jack might be a calamity on paper, but its more a running joke. Sanji beating Jake is similiar to him defeating a random gifter; its a foregone conclusion, which did not even deserve any panel space so late in the arc.
    This is a pretty ridiculous take but you do you

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    Quote Originally Posted by LightningAce View Post
    Jack isn't losing to Sanji.
    Not sure which Calamity Sanji will ultimately fight, but idk what you're expecting to happen here given all the other Tobi Roppos are preoccupied...

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    I'm conflicted.
    On one hand it would be so easy for Sanji to handle the situation himself without looking like a chump (I mean come on, the whole place is covered in virtually indestructible sticky webs just waiting for a clever protagonist to trick his enemies into!).
    On the other, if it leads to an actual proper fight for Robin after all these years then it's totally worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelRes View Post
    I'll never get the people who hate on Sanji still. He's easily gone from one of the worst to one of the best characters post-ts. Lot of major differences in what's happening here compared to what happened with Kalifa. And thank god Robin is finally getting some action, she's barely gotten any spotlight that doesn't involve poneglyphs. Now just get Brook to fight Apoo and give us the dream Chopper vs Queen fight and this whole raid will be 10/10.
    I doubt you're referring to me but I'll say it anyway. I love Sanji, he's one of my favourites, which but there are things which annoy me and i just want to see him face a super tough enemy and show off how strong
    he's gotten. Since the timeskip we've not even seen what he can do at all, other than his geppo type skill.

    I want more. I want Oda to let him shine.

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    This is a pretty ridiculous take but you do you

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    Not sure which Calamity Sanji will ultimately fight, but idk what you're expecting to happen here given all the other Tobi Roppos are preoccupied...
    Ther is no way Ussop and Nami are taking on Page One and Ulti. I can see them both taking out 1 of them with a combined effort. Which leaves Page One for Sanji to finish things off from last time.

    He's not at the level of Jack-Queen-King
    Plus it seems Marco has dibs on King as of now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deicide View Post
    As I said in the spoiler thread, I feel Queen vs Sanji is more likely than Jack vs Sanji. With the scabbards in peril and the chance of Hiyori being with them, I could see Yamato rushing to the rescue and fighting Jack.

    So, here's some craziness: maybe we do have a brief Jack vs Sanji, enough for Queen and Yamato to arrive. We get a Sanji reaction to Yamato, Queen reckognizes Komurasaki (he's a fan). Yamato vs. Jack, Sanji vs Queen.

    Why Yamato vs. Jack may make sense:

    - Some people have speculated that the former Jack may be Yamato's mentor figure. Yamato fighting the current Jack could have some meaning to both of them.
    - Kaido has shown some concern and respect for Jack. Maybe Jack is the "son" Kaido wishes Yamato were?
    - Yamato fighting to protect Oden's servants is poetic. A comparison to Oden boiling while lifting all of them.
    - Momo is with Yamato. Hyiori (or Toki) is with the scabbards. That reunion would be interesting to see.

    And Sanji vs Queen:

    - Cyborg vs Raid Suit
    - Queen has noticed Sanji's bounty and heritage
    - Queen is a pervert.
    - Sanji fights to protect Hiyori/Komurasaki

    Edit: (Not to mention Sanji's reaction to Yamato, then finding out Momo is hiding in his/her chest, lol)
    I like Yamato vs Jack under the pretense of Jack wanting Kaido's approval as his "unofficial son" as some people were saying in the spoiler thread. The mentor route would be a bit weird since Yamato and Jack are the same age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LightningAce View Post
    Ther is no way Ussop and Nami are taking on Page One and Ulti. I can see them both taking out 1 of them with a combined effort. Which leaves Page One for Sanji to finish things off from last time.

    He's not at the level of Jack-Queen-King
    Plus it seems Marco has dibs on King as of now.
    Wait you don't see that happening either? Man you're gonna be really surprised this arc then lol

    Nami and Usopp are on their rematch with the duo, now aided by Tama. Nami has also pretty much laid out the type of firepower necessary to beat Ulti. Seems clear to me where this is going.

    As for Sanji, simple math. All the Tobi Roppo have their opponents. Jinbe is not switching with anyone most likely now that Brook is helping with Black Maria. And Sanji helping the weaker members beat a Tobi Roppo would be overkill given his raid suit performance against Page One. The point is that aside from arguably Jinbe, they're all going to be pushed to their limits to defeat their respective foes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coookie View Post
    Good for you if you enjoy post-TS Sanji, I'll take tricking Crocodile into leaving his casino, asking Enel for fire after being electrocuted by him, secretly messing with Enies Lobby's levers to open the Gates of Justice, Mr. Prince over walking nosebleed, shin cracking, relying on his family's tech that he just renounced shortly before, Vinsmoke Sanji any time.
    I was quite vocal about nosebleed Sanji, about how terrible it was and the way it brought down the manga. But that was like ten years ago. He hasn't been even a fraction as bad as that since he left for Zou. Yeah he still gushes over girls, but not in such an overdramatic fashion. And he can stay focused when he needs to, ie all the Pudding and cake stuff. He actually treated her with a respectful attitude and understanding of her character. And I love that he's actually bringing a woman into harm's way, as he knows she can cover his weakness and take care of herself. He's not going full white knight this time and is getting out at the right time to do something more fitting for him before he's beaten by spider lady. Like others have said, it's like that speech he gave at Enies Lobby.

    And all the Vinsmoke stuff has been a positive. It shows he doesn't cling to all his hang-ups, and he's become stronger for it. Plus it goes both ways - his family was giving him more respect by the end of Whole Cake, in their own way. People like to paint them as one-note goons, but they and their relationships with Sanji were just really interesting to me.

    Don't know why you would hold on to the shin thing, he's obviously very powerful, even moreso now that he has a raidsuit as part of his character progression. It makes him feel more human in a sense, as he comes off as the most "normal" of the emperor top dogs, like he actually had prove himself of being worthy of being way up there and is always the one a bit behind. And the fact that he does take some hits at times and gets right back up, and can become invisible and move at high speeds, plus the bullet proof cape and haki, makes him a highly viable tank.
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    A lot of the things with Sanji wouldn't come off as so bad to the fanbase if Oda didn't put his precious little Zoro-kun on a pedestal. But ironically enough, by doing so, Zoro really hasn't had the character development Sanji has had at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny B. Decent View Post
    A lot of the things with Sanji wouldn't come off as so bad to the fanbase if Oda didn't put his precious little Zoro-kun on a pedestal. But ironically enough, by doing so, Zoro really hasn't had the character development Sanji has had at all.
    %100.

    If there's one major disappointment in Wano so far, it's how Zoro got almost nothing in terms of character moments and development, which is something a Samurai Island was best placed to facilitate.

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    His state of mind seems worse. Back at EL or WCI he could at least muster some sort of defense. But now he's like oh no what if my desire to not die die hurts their knuckles i could not live with that. Even Zeff must be thinking dude get some professional help, i just wanted you to not hit women. But i mean i like the asking for help bit, make this a they trapped him fair and square and he was man enough to ask for help scenario and i would have zero problem with it. I just dislike the flanderized dumbness used to put him in that position in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiebs View Post
    I could see this act ending with the flying six, the all stars and Kaido all showing there hybrid forms

    Not exactly tragedy like people want but more of a “holy shit we were having trouble with them before and now there in a stronger form, how the hell can we win now”
    I don’t think that alone would get the intended effect as everyone expects them to have hybrids forms. Maybe coupled with more factors (bounties revealed, some SHs defeated or against the ropes, BM pirates arriving), it could get the “oh shit” effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DatYute View Post
    I like Yamato vs Jack under the pretense of Jack wanting Kaido's approval as his "unofficial son" as some people were saying in the spoiler thread. The mentor route would be a bit weird since Yamato and Jack are the same age.
    The mentor role assumes there was a Jack before the current Jack. “Jack” is a title, not a name.
    Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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    Page One isn't even busy either, he's just randomly following Ulti without doing anything important at all, I call poor writing there.

    The Scabbies and Momo are going to be a pain in the butt for some chapters, having to protect all 10 people, makes the whole battle difficult, I hope Hiyori has the Toki Toki No Mi, and sends all of them to a future where the battle is over.

    oh and btw, once again Jack keeps making obvious that he's only familiarized with the Scabbies of Zou, doesn't know anything else about them.

    which means; previous-Jack person theory intesifies.
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    Meh. I love that Robin can show her dark side and get some action at last, but I hate that Sanji called her in such a pathetic manner and that he let himself get caught in the first place. There are a million ways he could have made that sound better, and I'm not even asking for bravado. It's one thing to trust your crewmates and admit your own vulnerability, but it's another entirely to give in and do exactly what the enemy is expecting of you. He could have at least tried to give a hint, a warning...Or just run away, what's that invisble suit for if you're not going to use it ? I usually like characters a little gray, just... Well, this is something I would have expected of the weakling trio until now, except Nami shows more guts than that these days. No matter how I look at it, Sanji really feels broken ever since Whole Cake Island.

    Other than that. Well, somehow the chapter feels both focused and unfocused. The key action is clearly Black Maria's room, but at the same time it doesn't look like much is happening, maybe due to how the action is shown. Not much choregraphy to go by, it's just flashy flashes and all talk in between. I don't dislike it, but let's say I will enjoy more when next week hopefully fleshes out this coming fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LightningAce View Post
    They may or may not fight but i simply do not see Sanji beating Jack.

    Jack has shown he's got insane durability. He survived his encounter with Fujitora/Sengoku, survived after his fleet got smashed to pieces by Zunisha. Fought against an army of minks for 5 days straight, and then the battle
    at the top.
    I don't see what Sanji has that can put him down.

    He should be facing Page One
    Tenacity and love for his crew. This would be the moment to exceed his limits, since he's already failed in his first chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny B. Decent View Post
    A lot of the things with Sanji wouldn't come off as so bad to the fanbase if Oda didn't put his precious little Zoro-kun on a pedestal. But ironically enough, by doing so, Zoro really hasn't had the character development Sanji has had at all.
    I'm with you here. Sanji is my favorite and I just don't find Zoro to be that interesting. The idea that Oda told Sanji's VA that he wouldn't be getting cool moments is kind of disheartening. It's his story, but I don't get it.
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    One issue with any fight theories with Jack is the assumption that Jack stop being a part of the battle after he gets beat down. The man has made a career of losing fights only to get up again, and there's no reason to think that'll stop here. There's a distinct chance that Sanji might knock Jack into oblivion, then Sanji and Queen fight, and Jack gets into several more fights after that.

    There's a chance that a battle-worn Jack is the last man standing (of his crew) after this is all over. The guy seems to specialize in this.

    Also, no, Sanji isn't fighting Page One. Page One is an Nami/Usopp rival. Why? Because while taking a beating from Sanji is impressive, it's less impressive than Jack taking beatings from Admirals, giant elephants, and superhuman animal samurai. However, taking a beating from Sanji is impressive when compared to a Strawhat that we know for a fact is weaker than Sanji. Sanji beat Page one into the Usopp-tier, and Sanji beating Page One proves nothing.

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    Jack deserves some kind of metal for his perseverance.
    Here’s how Naruto should end: Last panel is Naruto standing proudly over Konohagakure. Slowly zoom out to reveal Luffy staring into a snowglobe with a miniature Konoha inside it. Usopp asks him what he’s doing. Luffy replies “Thinkin’ bout ninjas! Ninjas are cool!” and then chucks it off the ship

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    "Fall down seven times, get back up eight." -Jack
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    Quote Originally Posted by FelRes View Post
    And he can stay focused when he needs to
    Like not getting distracted by damsels in distress that bring out the white knight in him in the middle of a raid against the pirate crew of the strongest creature alive?


    Quote Originally Posted by FelRes View Post
    And I love that he's actually bringing a woman into harm's way, as he knows she can cover his weakness and take care of herself. He's not going full white knight this time and is getting out at the right time to do something more fitting for him before he's beaten by spider lady.
    Which could have been demonstrated without taking away his credibility as proven by the comments other characters made in this chapter.


    Quote Originally Posted by FelRes View Post
    Don't know why you would hold on to the shin thing
    Because the first 1v1 fight he got after two years of training already showed him reaching his limits. Never mind that it was a comparison of pre- and post-TS, why would the start of post-TS Sanji be off limits?


    Quote Originally Posted by FelRes View Post
    he's obviously very powerful, even moreso now that he has a raidsuit as part of his character progression.
    A cheap powerup that feels undeserved because he had to do absolutely nothing to receive it. He literally got it handed to him.


    Quote Originally Posted by FelRes View Post
    It makes him feel more human in a sense, as he comes off as the most "normal" of the emperor top dogs, like he actually had prove himself of being worthy of being way up there and is always the one a bit behind.
    I don't consider Sanji to be among the Emperors' top dogs


    Quote Originally Posted by FelRes View Post
    and can become invisible and move at high speeds, plus the bullet proof cape and haki, makes him a highly viable tank.
    Funny that you mention turning invisible and moving at high speeds since it didn't help him escape from Black Maria. He even tripped when he ran away from her lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    He still needs to spin, Oda just doesn't draw the transitions anymore to cut down on panel time. Same with Luffy's gears or Choppers alt forms.
    I’m pretty sure he doesn’t need to spin anymore

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    Official trans wins this week.

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