American Politics: So long Trump!

[Jabra]

But, why would Biden do that? Unless it was something that he had to do, like for health reasons, I don’t see the point.

Realization that he isn't fit to be president? Literally, physically? I mean no one in this forum is in danger of being swayed to vote for Trump so I can talk openly about it, but Biden's only qualities are being OLD and WHITE. And I guess "humble", if we want to sugarcoat his charisma that rivals a mummy.

During the Democratic primaries I said they should just pick whoever has the best chances to beat Trump, regardless of agenda and ability. Be pragmatic, don't take any risks. But after watching yesterdays VP debate I truly feel bad ever thinking like that.
Harris is smart, witty, well-prepared, charismatic, energetic - but not just for the sake of it, demanding, assertive but with a sense of decency, empathic but not melodramatic. She has everything I could personally ask for when it comes to the president of the united states, at least if we're ignoring actual political stances (the part about fracking was pure cringe from this side of the globe, but that's what it is, the other side of the globe...)

The 25th amendment allows a sitting president to give up their role to the next in line, usually reserved for when their health is in danger or they think they can't do the job right now for some reason. Generally its intended use is temporary but it could be used long term.

It should be what is going on RIGHT NOW actually since Trump was hospitalized and is on heavy drugs right now that can massively affect your thinking (insert joke about how could you tell) , but he'd obviously never give up power willingly.

Famously Nixon resigned because he knew the law was catching up to him and it would wreck the country for the office to go through what was coming... because whatever you have to say about Nixon, he had some sense of respect for stuff.

Also, if you really wanted to do a in intentional hand off, you'd want to wait two years and a day. That way the next in line could still get two full terms. If they get the majority of a first term, then it counts as a full term.

Curious, thank you.

Two years it is then. As for why Biden should voluntarily do that, well I assume it would allow Harris to profile herself as the president for some time before the election campaign begins (instead of just playing second fiddle to Biden as the VP).

[MetaMario]

Biden is over 70 years old, if something were to happen that the seat gets opened up, at the very least his vice is young and healthy.

Watching the debate rn

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holy crap Pence stop dragging your speeches on, the moderator says your time is up.

[Zeorn]

I feel like the fly landing on Pence is a symbol for the plague that Pence was supposed to stop as the head of the Coronavirus taskforce and instead ushered in. Some great symbolism of him as Pestilence of the 4 Horsemen.

Jabra, I assume you mean VP (Vice President) instead of VA? I live in the state of Virginia which is shortened to VA so that was confusing. Also, the VA refers to Veterans Affairs when it comes to government talk.

[Jabra]

Jabra, I assume you mean VP (Vice President) instead of VA?

Haha yes, I meant VP of course. That's what you get when you switch between the manga section and the depressing real world forum!

[wolfwood]

Haha yes, I meant VP of course. That's what you get when you switch between the manga section and the depressing real world forum!

Imagine being buster called by the presidential line up

[Monquito]

U.s. health system is one that allows the rich to surpass what their original lifespan was supposed to be, Biden is one of those richies. he's good for two terms, heck, I could see him in the year 2027 trying to be candidate for a third term because he forgets he's already been president twice.

[wolfwood]

Most important thing in a US election is that no one should under any circumstances have been born after 1970.

[Nolus]

Age equals wisdom. Have you ever seen a foolish old person?

[Shift]

Age equals wisdom. Have you ever seen a foolish old person?

Well, Trump, for one.

[Nobodyman]

Most important thing in a US election is that no one should under any circumstances have been born after 1970.

This country has precisely zero faith in anyone younger than 40

[sgamer82]

Being old and white does not, by itself, disqualify anyone from the role of president.

Trump isn't a bad president because he's old and white. He's a bad president because he's a petty, narcissistic boob of a man.

And, to get the obvious rebuttal out of the way, Biden is not senile as the right wing likes to claim, and anyone who wants to say otherwise should have more than armchair diagnosis.

[Ubiq]

Most important thing in a US election is that no one should under any circumstances have been born after 1970.

We've only had one President born after 1946.

[KageKageKing]

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/08/p...mer/index.html

Wasn't this from an episode of Drake and Josh?

[starlalilymoon]

I have not seen the full debate, but it really was annoying when Kamala Harris said she would not take a vaccine for Coronavirus if Trump announced it. Honestly, that was pretty ignorant, Trump doesn't even make the vaccine, doctors do. I would take the vaccine because I don't want to get Covid. It feels like it's making it about politics. I will watch the whole debate later on this week to see if she had any good points. At least there's no annoying interruptions and both peeps are being respectful to the other. Though I do want to see that fly on Mike Pence, I really bet that will be on the Saturday Night Live version very surely xD

[Jabberwok]

I have not seen the full debate, but it really was annoying when Kamala Harris said she would not take a vaccine for Coronavirus if Trump announced it. Honestly, that was pretty ignorant, Trump doesn't even make the vaccine, doctors do. I would take the vaccine because I don't want to get Covid. It feels like it's making it about politics. I will watch the whole debate later on this week to see if she had any good points. At least there's no annoying interruptions and both peeps are being respectful to the other. Though I do want to see that fly on Mike Pence, I really bet that will be on the Saturday Night Live version very surely xD

Trump has peddled half a dozen fake cures that all have serious and potentially deadly side effects. He simply can't be trusted on the matter. His endorsement of any vaccine is irrelevant at this point and people should only take something if many medical experts endorse it.

[Jabra]

I have not seen the full debate, but it really was annoying when Kamala Harris said she would not take a vaccine for Coronavirus if Trump announced it. Honestly, that was pretty ignorant, Trump doesn't even make the vaccine, doctors do. I would take the vaccine because I don't want to get Covid. It feels like it's making it about politics. I will watch the whole debate later on this week to see if she had any good points. At least there's no annoying interruptions and both peeps are being respectful to the other. Though I do want to see that fly on Mike Pence, I really bet that will be on the Saturday Night Live version very surely xD

I think her argument was that she won't take a vaccine without broad scientific approval, that was the context of the statement. It's easy to get it wrong because she had to answer under time pressure, but she was definitely insinuating that Trump would try to push for an insecure vaccine that didn't go through the usual quality testing process (to put it simple). And this is not a baseless fear, in China people are already getting treated with rushed medication, while Putin distributed a vaccine that bypassed the most crucial step of regulation. Personally I have zero doubts that Trump would do the same if it's opportune or if he has his back against the wall ("miracle medicine"...).

Just imagine Trump allowing a little researched vaccine to boost his approval ratings. If you're lucky it works, if it doesn't then thousands of people will be infected and die because of a false sense of security.
But that's not even the worst case scenario! What if the rushed vaccine has unforseen side effects? Side effects that could cause long term damage or even death?
Not only would people lose trust in the vaccine, but a certain group of people would also have a precedent they can point at to demonize ALL kind of vaccines. Decades of campaigning and pushing people to vac their kids, down the drain because your president needed to look good for a couple weeks.

So she is right when she says that a vaccine promoted by Trump (and his closest cronies, even if they are doctors) should be taken with a grain truckload of salt.

[Green_vs_Red]

I also don't know if she said it in the debate or elsewhere but she said she would only take a vaccine if approved by Dr.Fauci.


Also further proof that armed militias and white supremacists pose more of a threat to this country than people protesting institutionalized racism, discrimination, & sexism

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/milita-plotted-to-kidnap-michigan-governor-as-part-of-violent-overthrow-of-government-fbi/

U.s. health system is one that allows the rich to surpass what their original lifespan was supposed to be, Biden is one of those richies. he's good for two terms, heck, I could see him in the year 2027 trying to be candidate for a third term because he forgets he's already been president twice.

Biden's net worth is around 9 million that's substantially less than the Jerry Jones, Betsy Devos, Sheldon Adelsons, Mark Zuckerbergs, & Jeff Bezos of world.

[Robby]

Pence has cancelled all of his campaign events and is flying back to Washington.

Pelosi is going to be discussing the 25th Amendment tomorrow.

What is going on?!

I have not seen the full debate, but it really was annoying when Kamala Harris said she would not take a vaccine for Coronavirus if Trump announced it. Trump doesn't even make the vaccine, doctors do

That's actually the right call. Trump has peddled a whole bunch of fakes, and he's strongly pushing theFDA to put something out that hasn't been tested at all so he can have SOEMTHING before the election, even though we're still at least a year away from anything being viable.

So actually, in this case, yes, it WOULD be Trump making the vaccine, not doctors. Because's he demanding literally anthing that could be *called* a cure be put out, no matter how innefective.

[Green_vs_Red]

So apparently Trump has taken umbrage to the idea of doing a virtual debate because of his positive diagnosis so Biden will be doing a town hall instead.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/bid...out-president/

And yes for added irony and hypocrisy Trump did months earlier accuse Biden of wanting to use Covid to get out of the debates.

[starlalilymoon]

Trump has peddled half a dozen fake cures that all have serious and potentially deadly side effects. He simply can't be trusted on the matter. His endorsement of any vaccine is irrelevant at this point and people should only take something if many medical experts endorse it.

Well, honestly I don't trust Biden either, but I'm not gonna stop taking a vaccine because I don't trust him. Honestly, at this point if Dr. Fauci, head of the CDC says not to take the vaccine from Trump, then I won't take it. Just because Trump made mistakes in the past, doesn't mean he would be wrong every time.

I think her argument was that she won't take a vaccine without broad scientific approval, that was the context of the statement. It's easy to get it wrong because she had to answer under time pressure, but she was definitely insinuating that Trump would try to push for an insecure vaccine that didn't go through the usual quality testing process (to put it simple). And this is not a baseless fear, in China people are already getting treated with rushed medication, while Putin distributed a vaccine that bypassed the most crucial step of regulation. Personally I have zero doubts that Trump would do the same if it's opportune or if he has his back against the wall ("miracle medicine"...).

I see. Well, medicine is all about risk. And it's not like Trump is making the vaccine, a bunch of doctors are making it. It's about trail and error from what I know about vaccines. I don't trust Trump, but I'm not gonna not get a vaccine if I'm provided with one. It does feels like an agenda to make Trump worse than what he is actually. Honestly, if Dr. Fauci says not to take it, then I follow what he says. I feels like it's a bit fear mongering, no offense.

Just imagine Trump allowing a little researched vaccine to boost his approval ratings. If you're lucky it works, if it doesn't then thousands of people will be infected and die because of a false sense of security.

Well, I see the vaccine coming at the end of this year, way after the election is over to be honest.

But that's not even the worst case scenario! What if the rushed vaccine has unforseen side effects? Side effects that could cause long term damage or even death?

Well, I don't think it be rushed... and even if we waited a bit longer, there still be a case of unforeseeable affects.

Not only would people lose trust in the vaccine, but a certain group of people would also have a precedent they can point at to demonize ALL kind of vaccines. Decades of campaigning and pushing people to vac their kids, down the drain because your president needed to look good for a couple weeks.

Well, people will lose trust in the vaccine if politicians tell you not to take them, so um.... it be bad either way.

So she is right when she says that a vaccine promoted by Trump (and his closest cronies, even if they are doctors) should be taken with a grain truckload of salt.

I don't think she is right.... It still feels like she is trying to push an agenda to make Trump look more bad than he actually is. I get what you saying, but honestly I disagree.

And that's a bit silly, to reject doctors who are friends with Trump. Who cares if they know him or not, I care about what their job is not who they are friends with or no. That's honestly irrelative.

Pence has cancelled all of his campaign events and is flying back to Washington.

Pelosi is going to be discussing the 25th Amendment tomorrow.

What is going on?!

Source?

That's actually the right call. Trump has peddled a whole bunch of fakes, and he's strongly pushing theFDA to put something out that hasn't been tested at all so he can have SOEMTHING before the election, even though we're still at least a year away from anything being viable.

Well, I don't think it is. Just because he had fake cures in the past, doesn't mean this one is. And I feel like the vaccine will be after the election not before. I feel like it be at least by the end of this year. And here's a question for you, what if Biden himself promotes a vaccine after he wins election? Will you still have the same argument for him, or you change your cue because it's Biden and not Trump?

So actually, in this case, yes, it WOULD be Trump making the vaccine, not doctors. Because's he demanding literally anthing that could be *called* a cure be put out, no matter how innefective.

I really don't see that at all. It's still being created by doctors even if it comes out early than predicted. Unless Dr. Fauci tells us that's it bad, then I listen to him and not take it. I just think it's a bad move by Kamala Harris really because it still feels like she is saying "vaccines are bad" and anti-vaxxers could honestly use that to justify it's bad.

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So apparently Trump has taken umbrage to the idea of doing a virtual debate because of his positive diagnosis so Biden will be doing a town hall instead.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/bid...out-president/

And yes for added irony and hypocrisy Trump did months earlier accuse Biden of wanting to use Covid to get out of the debates.

Well damn. He is being an hypocrite. Well, at least Biden won't get the virus, plus this is gonna give him bonus points with voters too, I bet.