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    Note that those polls were taken BEFORE the covid announcement.

    Hard to tell if thats going to give him a sympathy bump rally or crash him even further. Probably depends on which side of the aisle you're on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    Note that those polls were taken BEFORE the covid announcement.

    Hard to tell if thats going to give him a sympathy bump rally or crash him even further. Probably depends on which side of the aisle you're on.
    I hadn't thought about that. Still, I think this does go towards the argument of whether or not it was a good idea to pull the Trump attack ads in the wake of the COVID announcement, since that's the same kind of attitude that got Biden this boost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    Note that those polls were taken BEFORE the covid announcement.

    Hard to tell if thats going to give him a sympathy bump rally or crash him even further. Probably depends on which side of the aisle you're on.
    I don't think many people outside of his cult are going to feel bad for him.

    There's a huge group of Republicans and independents who may be shaken by the sudden mass outbreak of COVID in the White House and Congress. If they aren't, they're not going to feel bad for him because they'll just assume that he'll be fine because it's "just the flu".
    If they are, they'll lose faith in him as a leader.

    Every single day he's visibly out of work hurts him, and if he's absent too long his cult will look for other hateful right-wing extremists to worship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgamer82 View Post
    Biden's national lead over Trump jumps to 14 points after debate in new NBC News/WSJ poll
    Joe Biden's lead has nearly doubled since Tuesday's debate with voters saying by a 2-to-1 margin that he has the better temperament to be president.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/mee...after-n1242018
    Yeah, about that tho.

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    Again, Rin, the polling this year looks almost nothing like it did in 2016. Biden’s lead over Trump has been steady and strong for almost the entire year, whereas Hillary’s in 2016 was much more volatile and unpredictable.

    Especially considering that Trump is an incumbent, this looks really horrible for the president.

    And don’t forget that pollsters learned a lot from their failings in 2016. One such thing they did was fail to discern between white voters based on their education background. The polls this year are much more reliable than they were in 2016, and all signs continue to point to Trump having a really rough, uphill battle before him this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirbycide View Post
    And don’t forget that pollsters learned a lot from their failings in 2016. One such thing they did was fail to discern between white voters based on their education background. The polls this year are much more reliable than they were in 2016, and all signs continue to point to Trump having a really rough, uphill battle before him this time.
    Yeah, I agree with you. The pollsters really did not poll on people without an college degree, which were the main voters that voted for Trump back in 2016.

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    Also if not for doctors right now Trump would be dead. He is dying right now and they are on their last resort drugs for him.

    Besides the fact the polls are nothing like they were 4 years ago, we have a President Trump that might not make it to election day.

    Make sure to vote obviously but this election is done. The Trump camp knows it. The doomsaying needs to stop. He is not going to live forever as an immortal god president. He is going to die because he is a weak stupid old man.

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    The only thing I fear right now is Trump dying and becoming a martyr for the alt-right.

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    I wish I had y'alls optimism, I really do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demon Rin View Post
    I wish I had y'alls optimism, I really do.
    I wouldn't necessarily call it optimism. It's just that you're being extremely negative about everything in comparison to everyone else. I understand the mindset of not getting too confident because of what happened in 2016 but that isn't a reason to completely shut out anything that looks positive and expect the worst possible outcome for every situation.
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    I think the main issue is that Rin has a lot more to lose than the majority of us. She's definitely more afraid of a second term than a lot of us are, and for good reason.

    But, yeah, I do think that she's also being fantastically pessimistic.

    Personally, I'm really happy that both Harris and Pence seem to have avoided getting infected. I look forward to the VP debate, because I'm sure that Kamala is going to whoop that guy's ass.

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    I also want to come right out and say that a conservative majority supreme court isn't the worst thing that can happen to the US.

    We've had one before, and it's one of the reasons why RBG became known as the "great dissenter". Sometimes it takes shitty rulings from the judicial branch to show the legislative branch how they need to make their laws more foolproof, harder to twist and misinterpret when they do get reviewed in court.

    There are several instances of how RBG's dissents led to more rigorous and progressive legislature from congress. If I had the time, then I'd look them up right now, but if you are interested in learning more for yourself then I suggest watching the documentary video on her.

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    As someone that has a lot to lose for the same reason, I am not as scared of Trump's chances here because it's just doom porn here not to face reality.

    And yeah I am going to say LGBT rights are most likely not in danger with this court. Maybe even abortion will be fine. Gorsuch and Roberts already sided with the liberals on a case that directly effects trans folks. Hell Gorsuch wrote the opinion there. And sure it's more or less "if you want to get rid of gays and trans people, write a law doing that instead of expecting the court to ban LGBT people" and I hope I don't have to explain why a law like that will never ever be made nor pass.

    Campaign Finance Reform and Voting Rights are most likely in the gutter though with this court if that bigot lady gets on there. Which is not looking as fully certain now actually.

    Good thing Nancy finally wished hard enough for Trump and the GOP senate to all die from covid. I was worried there for a moment she would not do something helpful. Though she needs to wish harder to ensure ACB stays off the court.

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    What about the senate? What are the odds this is actually going to be a blue wave this time? I'm hearing good things, but I can never be certain.
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    I remember all the people on this site who said the election was over after the pussytape got leaked. And said the Comey letter was an ineffective smokescreen.

    We haven’t even gotten to Barr’s october surprise yet.

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    There really might not be one. Or if there is, it probably will not make a dent. Nothing has so far. Trump was already far behind before he got Covid.

    Like I know everyone wants this to be 2016 where Trump barely won but the reality looks like he is going to lose by a lot. Missing weeks of campaigning in the last month is a sure fire way to lose.

    Also this race is fully about Covid and Trump has been garbage about it to the point he has it. If you lose on the most important topic, you lose.

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    Comey's letter only made an impact because the entire media had spent months making political hay out of the emails subject; there's nothing remotely approaching that situation with Biden despite numerous attempts by rightwing and "left"wing media to the contrary. That's largely because the media doesn't hate Joe Biden the way they did Hillary.
    Complicating things since 2009.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirbycide View Post
    I think the main issue is that Rin has a lot more to lose than the majority of us. She's definitely more afraid of a second term than a lot of us are, and for good reason.
    Well, I'm a trans female like Rin, but I'm not even worried even if Trump won, it's not like I'm gonna be put in a concentration camp or anything. And since I'm guessing Rin faced way more transphobia than I did, I guess she's super worried about being persecuted because of who she is. So, I can understand her fears at least a little bit, though these past four years I was not affected by anything of Trump involving LGBT stuff. Not sure about her though. Just my perspective.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ubiq View Post
    Comey's letter only made an impact because the entire media had spent months making political hay out of the emails subject; there's nothing remotely approaching that situation with Biden despite numerous attempts by rightwing and "left"wing media to the contrary. That's largely because the media doesn't hate Joe Biden the way they did Hillary.
    Honestly, what is the truth about the e-mails with Hillary actually and why was it such a big deal anyway?

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    Clinton/Trump.


    Biden/Trump.



    Note that the new scale is zoomed out more because Biden occasionally goes to 50-52% and Clinton never topped 50.


    Yeah at the end of the race it looked like Clinton had a lead but that was a volatile thing the whole time with Trump passing her a few times along the way, and was within the margin of error in swing states. Trump hasn't been within a league of Biden since Biden became the nominee.

    History is not repeating itself.

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    Honestly, what is the truth about the e-mails with Hillary actually and why was it such a big deal anyway?
    The entire deal is she used a private server to send emails that were mildly classified *after* she sent them.

    The server wasn't unsafe, it wasn't hacked, the stuff that was classified after the fact wasn't national security, literally nothing bad happened because of it.

    There is no but. There is no except. That's it. That's the entire story.

    She did basically nothing wrong. But republicans had nothing on her, so they basically made it up to try and make a case that she had broken the law. (They also tried with Benghazi and 30+ sham investigations.)

    It'd be like if you got a speeding ticket seven years ago and then someone spent a year insisting you were a reckless driver endangering lives on a regular basis always at risk of having massive accidents..

    Note that the entire GOP has done the exact same (and worse) with sending government emails privately and exactly zero hay has been made out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubiq View Post
    Comey's letter only made an impact because the entire media had spent months making political hay out of the emails subject; there's nothing remotely approaching that situation with Biden despite numerous attempts by rightwing and "left"wing media to the contrary. That's largely because the media doesn't hate Joe Biden the way they did Hillary.
    Hmmmmmm wonder why.
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    I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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