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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorobō Neko View Post
    That's great for you. Not so much for the people dying parts you keep avoiding.

    Whatever helps you sleep at night.
    Because Republicans are not out murdering people? lol XD (Along with Democrats.)

    And if I wanted to think a politician's actions caused death, then that be like very single president, both Democrat and Republican, since many did airstrikes, war stuff, etc.

    But I'm smarter than that and I know it is out of their control, etc., even if Trump had a poor response to Covid, it is not his fault. He just didn't do a great job, doesn't mean he murdered people. The Coronavirus is the one that killed those people, not politicans.

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    Some examples:

    Bill Clinton - did airstrikes - led to deaths of many people.

    George W. Bush - Iraq and Afghanistan War

    Barack Obama - airtstrikes, drone strikes, still continued the war from Bush

    Donald Trump - continued the war from Bush, and I think he done airstrikes

    And that's two Democrats and two Republicans. Your narrative really falls apart here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starlalilymoon View Post
    even if Trump had a poor response to Covid, it is not his fault.
    It's totally is, he dismissed the danger of COVID, he was against masks mandates, he was against lockdowns because it would be bad for the economy (read his billionaire buddies), the constantly tried to say that was a silver bullet medicine for treatment, spread disinformation, etc.
    The only thing right he did was bought a year worth of Pfizer vaccine production. And even in this he was also against the vaccination being mandatory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pariston_hill View Post
    It's totally is, he dismissed the danger of COVID, he was against masks mandates, he was against lockdowns because it would be bad for the economy (read his billionaire buddies), the constantly tried to say that was a silver bullet medicine for treatment, spread disinformation, etc.
    The only thing right he did was bought a year worth of Pfizer vaccine production. And even in this he was also against the vaccination being mandatory.
    Correction - I say not his fault because he is dumb as rocks and didn't know how to handle the situation correctly. Doesn't excuse his actions how he handled, I just think he did a bad job. But yes, he could have done better, I agree with you there.

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    Yeah no letting Trump off the hook. He killed over half a million Americans. And we allllllllll knew he would do that even before Covid was a thing.

    Like how we knew he would get impeached and such. Very obvious outcomes from Republicans but most of all Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorobō Neko View Post
    Yeah no letting Trump off the hook. He killed over half a million Americans. And we allllllllll knew he would do that even before Covid was a thing.

    Like how we knew he would get impeached and such. Very obvious outcomes from Republicans but most of all Trump.
    He didn't kill them. That is no more than Obama "killing people" with drone strikes or air strikes. But yet you skip this part.

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    I don't even understand--- why Trump (and other country leaders) is even anti-vaxx ? I mean, shouldn't Trump think "yeah, let's make those vaccines very profitable so I can grab some money" ??
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    Regardless, I don't want to talk about this anymore right now. I just wanted to reply to the people who quoted me without getting in a massive argument of why I vote the way I do.

    I'm too suicidal and depressed currently and I don't need people right now yelling at me because of how I vote. I'm not in the right state of mind, and this will only make things worse for my mental health with people accusing me of being a bad person because I don't all vote Democrat or seeing differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starlalilymoon View Post
    Correction - I say not his fault because he is dumb as rocks and didn't know how to handle the situation correctly. Doesn't excuse his actions how he handled, I just think he did a bad job. But yes, he could have done better, I agree with you there.
    Regardless of the diminished mental capabilities of a senile conman he resources and competent people that he could hear do the the job for him if his ego wasn't as big as his debt. He choose "Hey bub, you handle Covid my way or the highway." and it showed when republican states were receiving more supplies than ordered and democrat states less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nilitch View Post
    I don't even understand--- why Trump (and other country leaders) is even anti-vaxx ? I mean, shouldn't Trump think "yeah, let's make those vaccines very profitable so I can grab some money" ??
    Well Bozo and his court of militaries in the gov't tried that with Covaxin, but the Federal Court of Accounts (TCU), AGU and Anvisa (our CDC) did their job to stall the contract because it showed signs of corruption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorobō Neko View Post
    Vote D or people die/keep dying. That simple.
    It really is. Much as I dislike the "THEIR SIDE BAD!!!!!" state of politics myself, starlillymoon, the Republicans, as they exist currently, really are that bad. The Republicans, as they exist currently but for a few exceptions that can be counted on your hands (and maybe not even "hands" plural), continue to support Donald Trump. They continue to suck up to him in the belief that he'll grant them more power, or because they honestly believe in his boobery. I can not, in good conscience, support a member of the Republican party as it exists currently nor can I understand how anyone with (I would assume) a working sense of morality and/or intelligence look at what the Republicans, as they exist currently, have wrought and say "more, please." I live in Idaho, a very red state. I won't see a Democrat win many elections, but damned if I won't vote for them anyway than cast it for an enabler of Donald J Trump, or Ammon "Y'all Qaeda" Bundy, or anyone of that ilk given literally any other alternative.

    The people most resistant to vaccines and managing COVID responsibly? Republicans. To this day I believe that had Trump handled the pandemic even remotely responsibly, he could have sailed to re-election and no one could have stopped him.
    The people most eager to sweep under the rug the great temper tantrum that was the Capitol Riots? Republicans. Only two of them are on the January 6th House Committee, and the only reason there even is a House committee is because those same Republicans shot down an independent commission which might have been more effective.
    The people most willing to support an unqualified boob in the name of greater power? Republicans. Donald Trump, Matt Gaetz, Brett Kavanaugh, Greg Abbot, Ron DeSantis, all are stars to the Republican voters.

    We are past the point where "Democrats also did stuff" is a reasonable argument. There is no Bad the Democrats have committed, nor reaction to such bad, that measures to the same level of Bad we see in your bog-standard Republican as they exist currently, that makes them look like a better choice. Unlike the Republicans and all those people listed above, upon finding out a Democratic official, such as Al Franken or Andrew Cuomo, was likely guilty of many of the same levels of offense, the Democrats' near-universal reaction was "Get 'im outta here!"

    I don't have any special issue that makes me go for one candidate over another. But I do value competence and responsibility. So that's why I will continue to vote for the Party of Personal Responsibility. That is why I will continue to vote for the Democrat party.

    From yesterday:
    https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday...08/04/day-197/

    Day 197: "Unwelcome and nonconsensual touching."

    1/ The FDA plans to fully approve the Pfizer vaccine by the start of next month. Giving final approval to the Pfizer vaccine — rather than relying on the emergency authorization granted late last year — could help increase inoculation rates at a moment when the highly transmissible Delta variant of the virus is sharply driving up the number of new cases. (New York Times)

    2/ New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo sexually harassed multiple women, according to a report by state Attorney General Letitia James’ office. The investigation found that Cuomo engaged in “unwelcome and nonconsensual touching,” and made comments of a “suggestive” sexual nature to current and former state employees, as well as a number of women outside of state government. Joe Biden and the entire NY Democratic congressional delegation have called on Cuomo to resign. (CNN / The Hill)


    3/ The State Department is investigating the whereabouts of a $5,800 bottle of whiskey the Japanese government gave to Mike Pompeo in 2019. It’s unclear whether Pompeo ever received the gift, as he was traveling in Saudi Arabia on June 24, 2019, the day that Japanese officials gave it to the State Department. (New York Times)


    4/ Los Angeles is considering requiring vaccine proof at restaurants, gyms, and indoor sporting events. The mandate would require eligible individuals to demonstrate that they’ve received at least one vaccination dose to visit indoor places such as restaurants, bars, retail stores, gyms, spas, movie theaters, stadiums and concert venues. If passed, the measure would be the widest-ranging vaccination verification effort in the city to date. (Los Angeles Times)


    5/ Trump is trying to block the Treasury Department from handing over his tax returns to Congress. Lawyers for Trump said the stated reason for seeing the returns, to examine how the IRS audits presidents, is simply a pretext for wanting to look for something embarrassing. (NBC News)


    6/ Mexico plans to sue U.S.-based gunmakers over the flow of arms across the southern border. Mexico claims that lax controls over weapons sales are fueling arms-trafficking and violence. (Washington Post)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nilitch View Post
    I don't even understand--- why Trump (and other country leaders) is even anti-vaxx ? I mean, shouldn't Trump think "yeah, let's make those vaccines very profitable so I can grab some money" ??
    Generally it's personal ideological beliefs. The real difficult part to understand is when you have some people get it and they more or less continue downplaying it even support measures such as banning mask mandates and mass gatherings that would likely spread it not reduce the risk of reinfection.

    Quote Originally Posted by sgamer82 View Post
    It really is. Much as I dislike the "THEIR SIDE BAD!!!!!" state of politics myself, starlillymoon, the Republicans, as they exist currently, really are that bad. The Republicans, as they exist currently but for a few exceptions that can be counted on your hands (and maybe not even "hands" plural), continue to support Donald Trump. They continue to suck up to him in the belief that he'll grant them more power, or because they honestly believe in his boobery. I can not, in good conscience, support a member of the Republican party as it exists currently nor can I understand how anyone with (I would assume) a working sense of morality and/or intelligence look at what the Republicans, as they exist currently, have wrought and say "more, please." I live in Idaho, a very red state. I won't see a Democrat win many elections, but damned if I won't vote for them anyway than cast it for an enabler of Donald J Trump, or Ammon "Y'all Qaeda" Bundy, or anyone of that ilk given literally any other alternative.

    The people most resistant to vaccines and managing COVID responsibly? Republicans. To this day I believe that had Trump handled the pandemic even remotely responsibly, he could have sailed to re-election and no one could have stopped him.
    The people most eager to sweep under the rug the great temper tantrum that was the Capitol Riots? Republicans. Only two of them are on the January 6th House Committee, and the only reason there even is a House committee is because those same Republicans shot down an independent commission which might have been more effective.
    The people most willing to support an unqualified boob in the name of greater power? Republicans. Donald Trump, Matt Gaetz, Brett Kavanaugh, Greg Abbot, Ron DeSantis, all are stars to the Republican voters.

    We are past the point where "Democrats also did stuff" is a reasonable argument. There is no Bad the Democrats have committed, nor reaction to such bad, that measures to the same level of Bad we see in your bog-standard Republican as they exist currently, that makes them look like a better choice. Unlike the Republicans and all those people listed above, upon finding out a Democratic official, such as Al Franken or Andrew Cuomo, was likely guilty of many of the same levels of offense, the Democrats' near-universal reaction was "Get 'im outta here!"

    I don't have any special issue that makes me go for one candidate over another. But I do value competence and responsibility. So that's why I will continue to vote for the Party of Personal Responsibility. That is why I will continue to vote for the Democrat party
    Ya boy went off.
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    I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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    Like even besides Trump, we all knew..... the base voter, the average Republican voter was going to be an anti-vaxxer/maskers and never take it seriously because it impacted their normal, special life just a tiny bit.

    Because they are selfish, idiots, losers and monsters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green_vs_Red View Post
    Ya boy went off.
    I'm going to assume that's meant as praise . It's actually kind of funny to me, because while I know I'm not the type to rile up easily, it seems like I've got the rep for that here, too.
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    I wish we didn't have a 2 party system, but as said before, you can only vote D if you don't want people to keep dying.

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    Ah americans couldn't endure a multi party system (by that I mean more than 10 parties).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgamer82 View Post
    To this day I believe that had Trump handled the pandemic even remotely responsibly, he could have sailed to re-election and no one could have stopped him.
    I've always felt this too, tbh. But no amount of "ekonomy's gud now" boasting or what have you could counter a global pandemic that Trump just did *not* handle very well at all, which lost countless lives in the process. And since it was still a thing in the days leading to the election (and still technically is now), the consequences were always staring him in the face.

    And even if vaccines were ready to go under his remaining days, there was 0 chance it'd be doled out in a half-decent way either, or at least less than Biden is doing it now.

    Anyways stellar post.
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    Ah americans couldn't endure a multi party system (by that I mean more than 10 parties).
    That sounds like a nightmare lol.





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    Quote Originally Posted by MetaMario View Post
    And even if vaccines were ready to go under his remaining days, there was 0 chance it'd be doled out in a half-decent way either, or at least less than Biden is doing it now.
    Didn't it come out come after Biden was sworn in the the Trump Administration's vaccine distribution plan was basically non-existent?

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    Anyways stellar post.
    Thank you.
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    Starla, I know that you’re sensitive about this subject, but I really think that you should take a little more time to consider what you’re saying. Researching political candidates’ backgrounds and voting based on their projected policies is definitely a good thing. But what you’re doing here is closer to “whataboutism” and “both-sidesing” than actual, legitimate critical thinking.

    Please don’t take this the wrong way, but it seems to me like you are falling for the malicious, time old Republican con. You’d rather consider yourself to be a fair judge of character than consider that you might be equating two (or more) sides that are so far from equal it’s almost laughable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgamer82 View Post
    I'm going to assume that's meant as praise . It's actually kind of funny to me, because while I know I'm not the type to rile up easily, it seems like I've got the rep for that here, too.
    You generally post a series of political news that most of us don’t know about so it is unexpected when you give your assessment on a particular topic.
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    I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green_vs_Red View Post
    You generally post a series of political news that most of us don’t know about so it is unexpected when you give your assessment on a particular topic.
    To be honest I usually just don't have a lot to say. I'm usually content to drop the current WTF Just Happened Today or whatever catches my eye. My main rule is provide enough information that, even if nobody clicks the link itself, people have an idea of what's going on. It's also why I'll occasionally jump in with extra info on a link that's just dropped.

    I think in this instance it's the feeling of "whataboutism" that Kirbycide describes that prompted me. That's just not a valid argument in my eyes anymore.

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    Biden pays homage to Obama by rocking tan suit during birthday week – President Biden made waves on social media on Friday after donning a tan suit during his jobs report announcement in apparent homage to former President Obama.

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    Okay this is, perhaps, a bit petty, but I can't help but love it nonetheless.

    For context, the wearing of atan suit was one of many nontroversies Republicans tried to hit Obama with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MetaMario View Post
    That sounds like a nightmare lol.
    It is. And looks like this:

    Ignore the numbers (this a poll about professors being candidates for political positions).
    Red is left, Salmon is Center-Left, Grey is center, Light Blue is Center-Right and Blue is Right to far right (PSL). But the majority of the Center parties lean to the right, and their own economical self interests.

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