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    Quote Originally Posted by Blissed View Post
    And once again, it's funny looking back at the complaints about how the Scabbards were having such an easy time against Kaido...
    Turns out that techniques that work against fire attacks are slightly less effective against a 1 ton mace. And that it's a little harder to hit someone when A) they're not caught off-guard and B) their body area is less than 1 square mile.


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    Yep, Tama can definitely summon animals.

    So, Kaido also has 3 Poneglyphs. One in the Flower Capital, where the kokeshi dolls are supposed to be, the one Law found and the red one.
    That's a lot of information we could get. Can't wait.

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    Also, interestingy enough, if something really great is supposed to happen in chap 1000, then chap 999 should let all setup for it, meaning 999 will also be pure fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by electricmastro View Post
    Regardless of how personal some others want to get about strength and damage, and I still find it nice that Kinemon and the others took the time to rough Kaido up a little bit, fully opening up it his old wound or not, before it was Luffys turn to finally take Kaido down full force.
    Oh I absolutely agree, I'm glad the Scabbards put up a fight far beyond what we thought they were capable of. If Kaido just instantly fodderized them, that would've been a real shame in hindsight.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kaido King of the Beasts View Post
    Turns out that techniques that work against fire attacks are slightly less effective against a 1 ton mace. And that it's a little harder to hit someone when A) they're not caught off-guard and B) their body area is less than 1 square mile.
    I gotta say, I love that Kaido's base form being stronger, or at least representing him getting serious, is not just some meme, but actually canon now lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfwood View Post
    I didn't notice that little blood fountain Kaido made.

    That's quite a niche skill to have
    Seriously. Which body part do you have to hit to cause this? The belly? But then the fountain would spray horizontally.

    Or wait, maybe Kaido smashed their torso while they were already lying on their backs?

    Like this, but switch Nojiko with Kaido's club and the water fountain with blood

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnTnaig View Post
    Scabbards are going to beat him because Kaido is a weak jobber. The idea that he is going to get up next chapter be like "Heh...I've only been using 1% of my power!!!Time to get serious!!!" and then start taking them out is nonsense fanfiction to try and excuse Kaido's horrible portrayal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiyamotoMusashi View Post
    Is Yamato doing a flying Kanabo attack? I think this is the first time we saw a non-sword weapon flying attack, or am i missing one?
    Ooops didn't mean to quote you as it was answered but Burgess' flying elbows, CP9's razor wind kicks, Lucci's flying finger pistols. It's a thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaido King of the Beasts View Post
    Turns out that techniques that work against fire attacks are slightly less effective against a 1 ton mace. And that it's a little harder to hit someone when A) they're not caught off-guard and B) their body area is less than 1 square mile.
    lol less than 1 square mile. ^_^

    Quote Originally Posted by Zhenja View Post
    Yep, Tama can definitely summon animals.

    So, Kaido also has 3 Poneglyphs. One in the Flower Capital, where the kokeshi dolls are supposed to be, the one Law found and the red one.
    That's a lot of information we could get. Can't wait.
    And to think we still don't know what Big Mom's stones said! When this arc is over boy we are going to be in for an info dumped treat! Daz you better take the day off when all we get is that text exposition for days!

    Big Mom - 1 red, 2 blue.
    Kaidou - 1 red, 2 blue.

    I think thats right. And to think one of these stones was first seen in the story like 8+ years ago during Jimbei's cover story.
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    I recall Momonosuke is based on monotaro, whom had 3 animal companions in the form of a monkey, dog and pheasant. In this scenario Luffy is obviously the monkey here, and someone mentioned Marco could be seen as the pheasant. That leaves the dog (I'm not counting duke inu cause he already has a duality with Cat viper). Assuming Yamato has a devil fruit with the teeth panel, he could have a dog-like fruit to round out the trio. It wouldn't be my preference, but it could fit.

    PS: Tama also already has a tamed monkey and dog, so I expect her to tame a pheasant monster or smile user at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sengokusgoat View Post
    I think I'm gonna need a few more to position everyone.

    Like, is Kidd floating or what?
    It's probably a bridge between the two towers.

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    Probably, but that's why I need more maps. How many towers there are? Are they all parts of the castle? Do the rest of the buildings have several floors? Etc, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaworu View Post
    Hey bro... Just checking in on you. You gonna be okay?
    I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt that he hasn't logged in to AP Forums because he thinks it's still down. But I really don't expect him to post in APF at all out of shame once Kaidou is done with the Akazaya.


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    Boy all these posts about Kaido being a "weak jobber" didn't age well.

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    For anyone intereted in what Sanji heard at the end of the chapter, it's called "Yoi dewa nai ka", an old cliche for when a bad guy is trying to sexually harass a girl by trying to pull the obi (belt) from their kimono.

    Like this...

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    Full panels. Prior chapter was nothing compared to this.
    This chapter is surely Oda's effort trying to catch 1000 before the new year.
    Why do Big Mom look for Kaido instead of Luffy?
    It is good to see Law and Kidd again. A longer alliance is necessary for Law.
    Just what else did Yamato read on Oden's books? She has a certain devil fruit with that teeth?

    This chapter also cover all the straw hats. Nami's selfishness is on point, Chopper getting worse, Franky will whoop Sasaki's ass, and Mr. Prince gonna get all he needs.

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    Chapter of the Year is still 996 for me, but this was a decent chapter too!

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    Hey, Oda's finally given us an interior map of Onigashima! Kind of! I think we're not going to know the exact floorplan of the left and right brain towers for a while, if ever, but at least we know what to look for on the Performance Floor now. Up to this point, the enclosed space hasn't allowed for many good high-angle establishing shots, which has made it hard to get a feel for the space and where everyone and everything is relative to each other in all the action up to this point. We're already essentially going into our third volume of Onigashima, after all, and the fighting has been in full swing for a while. Let's see if we can rationalise what we've seen so far with the current map:



    First thing to note is that the map in the manga (which I traced for this image) shows five buildings extending out from the left and right brain towers, all in the same shape. In actuality, the first and fifth buildings are freestanding turrets, and this has been show consistently in every panel so far, so I made that change on my map. I also found that some buildings were drawn with the rounded edges shown on the map while others were square, but I don't think this has been managed as consistently. The relative heights of the buildings (and their heights in proportion to the Numbers) has also tended to shift from panel to panel. But shifting proportions are a longtime Oda thing. The layout at least is consistent.

    The new chapter has the lower area of Performance Floor labelled as the Forehead Floor, but I'm skeptical that it's actually in the forehead of the skull. The stairs leading in from the mouth really do not look steep enough for the lower floor to be above the eyes and there still to be so much cavernous space above the upper floor.

    My interpretation of what we've been shown is that the upper floor is actually level with B1 of the central castle in the cross section shown in Luffy's recent scenes. You can see the rock wall at the base in many, many different panels of the early battle. It logically follows that the lower floor (and probably the basement area Kaido and the Scabbards fell into before and Yamato and co fell into recently) are on level B2. But that's my conjecture.

    Anyway, let's have a look at what's actually happened in this area and if it can all be placed and tracked consistently. I'm paying particularly close attention to moments where buildings were damaged by the battle, because that kind of thing is particularly good for orienting and anchoring a scene when it's shown consistently in the backgrounds, and stands out like a sore thumb if it magically goes away between shots (and we know Oda cares about that kind of thing, because characters like Minatomo and the Kablutermann were originally created to cover his ass when he did mess it up).



    It shouldn't shock anyone at all to hear that Oda has handled the continuity of the Onigashima battle incredibly well. The turret Zoro cut down is the most prominent bit of damaged scenery because a bunch of action has happened around it, but almost everything else has been shown at least once in chapters after the one it happened in, in the right location, and has never failed to be drawn when it should have. I find it supremely impressive, personally. The amount of coordination it must take between Oda and his assistants to not just keep the environment but the damage done to it accurate and consistent across so many chapters, panels and varying camera angles would be enormous. Props to them for doing it so well so far.

    But getting things right is par for the course for Oda. Let's have a look at where he's slipped up, or intentionally fudged something for plot reasons.

    First, and perhaps most obvious is what I'm calling the Phantom Bridge.

    Many of the establishing shots inside the dome are framed with this bridge running right across the Performance Floor, usually connecting the second buildings on each side. This bridge has completely ceased to exist in recent chapters, presumably because it would get in the way of the Numbers' movements. It's possible it was knocked down offscreen at some point, but I didn't have any luck finding evidence of that.

    Second, the place Sasaki was tied up isn't quite accurate to the exterior map shown when it happened. He's implied to be under or just behind one of the skull's horns, but in order for Big Mom's attack that frees him to clip the right brain tower's first turret and hit the main castle next to the hole Luffy and Yamato made, he would need to be further around the back than what was shown.



    And third, the biggest struggle of mapping the battle was the placement of the Strawhats' pose as a team moment. Most of the fighting at that point seems to be taking place between the first turrets, close to the base of the central castle. Jaki definitely falls in that area, and the crew appears to form up right in front of his body. But in the next chapter Luffy and Drake stop Juki and Goki's advance between the second buildings, which means the Strawhats would have needed to finish the last chapter between the third buildings.


    The most logical explanation is that the crew was fighting at the bottom of the castle, then fell back to regroup with the samurai before making a renewed push at the castle. It's not the most in character thing for Luffy to make a tactical retreat, but it's what makes the story works.

    Finally, and less related to the interior map, I noticed in my rereading that the hole Kaido made in the roof is kind of a one way deal. We always see it when the camera in the dome pans up to the ceiling, but to my knowledge it hasn't once been shown from the roof. Even more egrigious, it's right in front of the castle tower, which has the door to the roof at the top. Jack's reinforments for Kaido should have been at risk of tumbling straight through as soon as they arrived!



    All in all, there have been a few hiccups in terms of character placement, but I was really impressed by the consistency of the environmental damage across chapters and from all different perspectives and camera angles. A lot of big fighting manga, like your Dragon Balls and your Narutos, limit their action to generic wasteland and woodland settings that look the same in all directions and make it impossible to keep track what the camera's orientation is and whether there should be evidence of a past attack or skirmish there. Oda, on the other hand, is committed to his settings and sense of space. It makes the world so much more tactile and grounded, and I don't know about the rest of you, but I eat that shit up.

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    Wow, if only AP had a gilding system I'd have given you an award for this, really commendable.

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    As much as I wanted full SHs crew to go Oars on kaidou's as, seems like oda is still going for Law, Kidd, Luffy to team up on kaidou. Law is the dog, dalmatian dog, kidd is pheasant, luffy is monkey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uniaka ikuzakas View Post
    As much as I wanted full SHs crew to go Oars on kaidou's as, seems like oda is still going for Law, Kidd, Luffy to team up on kaidou. Law is the dog, dalmatian dog, kidd is pheasant, luffy is monkey.
    Nothing substantiates this at this point. Law is on a treasure hunt and has not shown one inclination to challenge Kaidou directly.
    And both the dog and pheasant thing makes no sense really, no connection whatsoever.
    Its not impossible but not more or less likely than anything else at this point.
    We have Apoo, Hawkins, King, Queen, Jack, Smoothie (or maybe not...), and of course Kaidou and Big Mom as relevant fighters.
    On the other side Killer, Kid, Law, Luffy, Zoro, Drake, Sanji, Jinbe, Marco.

    Any combination might be possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiyamotoMusashi View Post
    Nothing substantiates this at this point. Law is on a treasure hunt and has not shown one inclination to challenge Kaidou directly.
    And both the dog and pheasant thing makes no sense really, no connection whatsoever.
    Its not impossible but not more or less likely than anything else at this point.
    We have Apoo, Hawkins, King, Queen, Jack, Smoothie (or maybe not...), and of course Kaidou and Big Mom as relevant fighters.
    On the other side Killer, Kid, Law, Luffy, Zoro, Drake, Sanji, Jinbe, Marco.

    Any combination might be possible.
    Law's conversation with robin makes it clear. Only beating the 4 yonkous will reveal the truth about D. once you find raftel, so his conversation with robin motivated law to defeat all the yonkous so he cn find out the truth about the D.

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