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    Quote Originally Posted by Conekiller View Post
    Make sure to check out Merphy Napier. She's almost in the exact same position as him and fell even harder for our favorite pirates.
    She also demonstrated a level of insight into the themes of Fishman Island that were kind of amazing for a first-time reader. Like, I guess being that she typically deals in novels she might just be more primed to think about themes and such from the get-go, but whereas I understand Not-Dan Green there had the fairly standard reaction of "Yeah Fishman Island is kinda weak tbh," Merphy's review of it was practically glowing (except when talking about Sanji because Sanji was the worst in FI) and she raised a lot of good points about how thematically strong the arc was.
    And yeah, it's funny that they are conveniently at almost the exact same spot. Merphy put out her Punk Hazard review just yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
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    This guy reviewed Dressrossa 5 days ago and even though he says it's flawed, he says it's his favorite arc in One Piece so far. This from a guy who around Marineford and Enies Lobby was saying that One Piece was on the level of the fantasy greats.
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    Honestly, I was kind of surprised how much he loved it. Really does make me wonder if One Piece is just better as a binge-read series.

    In other news, Todd released a 43 minute review of Edgar Winter's Mission Earth, which is a fun watch if you want to have a laugh at Scientology's expense (which, just so we're clear, is still a total crackpot/scam religion).


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    Quote Originally Posted by andre View Post
    This guy reviewed Dressrossa 5 days ago and even though he says it's flawed, he says it's his favorite arc in One Piece so far. This from a guy who around Marineford and Enies Lobby was saying that One Piece was on the level of the fantasy greats.
    He binged it in a week instead of over the course of two years.

    It makes a big difference.

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    Honestly, I was kind of surprised how much he loved it. Really does make me wonder if One Piece is just better as a binge-read series.
    Pros and cons to the weekly experience. Pro is you get to sit and digest and speculate... (Same with tv shows) the con is it takes forever and enhances the flaws. When you binge it though and get it all at once? Almost any ongoing story will be stronger when you get the momentum and full picture and entire story in one go.

    Me and my wife both liked Promised Neverland all the way through, while apparently everyone that read it weekly and had specific hopes or expectations ended up hating it. So yes, it absolutely makes a difference.
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    Binging it definitely helps and I think it helps the manga more so than the anime. I watched it pretty briskly with my girlfriend and the anime is really a slog no matter what. Before you ask, we even watched One Pace and it was still pretty bad, but my reread was great. I'm definitely looking forward to his Zou and Whole Cake reviews.
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    I honestly have to be the only one who doesnt think the manga is THE way to experience One Piece. I honestly love the anime and I'm starting to resent people that diss it all the time.

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    I honestly have to be the only one who doesnt think the manga is THE way to experience One Piece. I honestly love the anime and I'm starting to resent people that diss it all the time.
    Thats because while the anime has the benefits of color and motion and voices and music, which are huge, and legitimate reasons to prefer it! That pacing is absolutely abysmal and just murders the story, far worse than the padding of Drag On Ball did.

    There's absolutely things to like about the anime, and if they did what every modern series does of only doing 25 eps a year, it'd probably be fantastic. But as a relic or the old model, and where they just refuse to do real filler arcs when they have a chance, well... it suffers for it.

    Even using the fan edited version that cuts all the filler its still pretty slow because even with the filler removed, the canon scenes are still slower and a little more awkward and drawn out than they generally should be. Flashes of great animation or energy in there, some inspired bits, but man does it take them five minutes to do a one minute scene.

    I watched the last few episodes to see how they handled Yamato, after hearing everyone talk about what a huge jump in quality Wano was... and wow I could not sit through a whole episode without getting bored. It's bad.
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    Thats because while the anime has the benefits of color and motion and voices and music, which are huge, and legitimate reasons to prefer it! That pacing is absolutely abysmal and just murders the story, far worse than the padding of Drag On Ball did.

    There's absolutely things to like about the anime, and if they did what every modern series does of only doing 25 eps a year, it'd probably be fantastic. But as a relic or the old model, and where they just refuse to do real filler arcs when they have a chance, well... it suffers for it.

    Even using the fan edited version that cuts all the filler its still pretty slow because even with the filler removed, the canon scenes are still slower and a little more awkward and drawn out than they generally should be. Flashes of great animation or energy in there, some inspired bits, but man does it take them five minutes to do a one minute scene.

    I watched the last few episodes to see how they handled Yamato, after hearing everyone talk about what a huge jump in quality Wano was... and wow I could not sit through a whole episode without getting bored. It's bad.
    It's a bit of a pick your poison scenario at this point, really; The anime is often too slow, the manga is often too fast. Sometimes the anime manages to capitalize on how the manga just skimmed past a scene and actually give it some proper focus, other times you get Luffy angrily staring at soup for 15 minutes straight. 994 though, was absolutely, unambiguously an improvement over the source material. The fact that Kiku and Kanjuro's fight was entirely off-screened in the manga was aggravating. (And also
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    made it a lot harder to buy that he really was dead. Like, really? You've been developing this "One of us is a traitor!" plotline for years and then the traitor in question is killed off-panel? Yeah no.)

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    Yes, in cases where Oda *completely* off cameras a fight, and the anime actually picks up on that and fills in the gaps, its an improvement. Anything they do with Jack will be a vast improvement over what the manga did. And if that's where they put their energy it might even be the superior version.

    But when they add new scenes that are just bad and made up whole cloth? Or they fill in *every* little gap to the point it spoils surprises or slows pacing to a crawl? (Some things were cut and left off-camera for a reason!) Or when they take the existing scenes and also drag those out? Holy crap that scene where Ulti rode down the stairs and yelled at P1 before clashing with Luffy? Or when Luffy faced off against Yamato? These should be fast kinetic moments, *quick moments*, and instead they're just... stretched into entire scenes and really long.

    When the openign *recap* of the previous episode paces better and feels better than the actual episode, something's gone wrong.

    I stopped watching the anime long long ago, like I said I was mostly curious to see how they handled Yamato and the great improvement in animation everyone talks about... so I only have the handful of eps to go by, but its largely still the incredibly abysmal pacing that made me drop it a decade ago.

    I'm a lapsed fan, and I *came back* to the show for the first time since probably the Supernovas, (and I stopped watching after Enies Lobby) and after three weeks of curiosity (it took three weeks to get the equivalent of Yamato's opening scene!) I've already stopped watching it again. I didn't even see the scene you're talking about. maybe its amazing and fantastic, I don't know, because I was so completely and utterly bored and unimpressed by the previous episodes. Nicer animation only carries so far.

    And I don't see that same problem at all in My Hero or Demon Slayer or Promised Neverland (season 1...) or Jujutsu... because they aren't trying to stretch 20 episodes of content to fill 50. They're taking a year of manga and doing 5 months of anime with it and that works great.
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    The pacing is really kind of a crapshoot. One week it's solid, with either little filler or filler that's actually entertaining in its own right, (Kiku VS Kanjuro is one such example, the entirely unnecessary yet still fun "Tank Commander Chopper and Gunner Usopp VS Big Mom" fight was another) and the next we get ten minutes of staredowns before anything happens. Granted at this exact point in time they're a bit stretched thin for content to begin with; The early Onigashima chapters are mostly just a lot of dilly-dallying around with a few brief skirmishes until... the exact point in which the latest episode ended. When you have fifty different fights happening at the same time, most of which are barely shown in the manga, then the anime might have some room to play around a bit more. Though even then... it seems to generally cope better in non-action chapters. The Oden flashback was generally paced really well for example... at least up until the point where Oden spent two full episodes in boiling oil. That was rough.

    'course, switching to a MHA style approach or alternately having 10-minute episodes would help remedy this a lot... but alas, Shueisha is a business and there's no financial incentive for them to do this since the show is immensely profitable as it is. And so we are left with a show that has made great strides in pretty much every other respect since the Wano arc started, (well, the sound design is also still pretty ass) but which cannot overcome the pacing problems that come with having to produce four episodes a month based off a manga that publishes on average two or three chapters in the same timespan, and which has a story that is so interconnected that there's absolutely no room for substantial filler arcs.

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    Yeah, I think the anime is more than fine if you're watching it weekly, but it's also a disappointment at the same time. It's no as bad as it was in Dressrossa, but the pacing still can be horrible. Overall Wano has been strong, but filler or a break would just make the quality so much better.
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    I recently caught up with the Boruto anime and it still amazes me how it continues to have the same problem Naruto Shippuden had, which is the reverse of One Piece's problem with pacing.

    Naruto Shippuden and Boruto SPEED through canon material. Every once in a while they'll extend a moment from the manga a bit further, and will usually add a bit more to fights. But they'll rush through it, and then have 9 months of pure filler material.

    Compare that to One Piece which drags out its canon material to the highest extent with tons of padding filler, instead of original arcs and character filler(for the most part).

    I wish both could just meet in the middle somewhere.


    I still think one of the biggest missed opportunities for One Piece was not using the timeskip as a chance to animate the cover stories. The Manga took a two month break and helped give the feeling that time has passed away from these characters.

    The anime just chugged on the following week. They could have kept making episodes, spent time adapting the cover stories to give themselves some breathing room. But nope, who needs canon material to adapt when you can just kill full minutes of time with long reaction shots.
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    So since everyone was talking about it, I went ahead and watched the next couple episodes. Yeah, that Kiku showdown was good... and the scene where the scabbards are running down the hallway in black and white to confront Kaidou was *fire*. That was fantastic and super well done.

    But then everything else... the wayh they'd take canon scenes, start building up emotion or momentum with them... then just stop short, cut away to a different scene for 15 minutes, then cut back to it... that's really rough. 2 or 3 solid minutes don't make up for 18 bad.

    Or like, when the manga does a fast cut away to a new scene for two pages, then cuts to a new scene for two pages... that works because its FAST and keeps pace and momentum up and it fits the pacing of a 7 minute read. . But when you stop and stay in those scene changes, and each one takes several minutes, (inevitable because if you have the actors back in the studio just for one scene, then you gotta use them!) and it just loses something.

    But the absolute worst was like when they did the Orochi head cutting scene. That should have been a fast, brutal, SURPISE moment, followed by reaction shots. Instead they made it slow, and showed all the reaction shots first, and tried to make it a fake out that Momo was killed... and then beheaded Orochi... and it completely ruined the moment. I get what they were trying to milk and why they did it... but turning a fast brutal surprise into a slow fake out twist is just really emblematic of the problems.

    But they're entering the part of the story where they have nothing but fights to filler with, so in theory they'd have a ton to work with and tage towards anime pacing. In theory.

    It definitely has highs! but its not worth the lows.
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    To me the only reason to watch the anime would be for the voice acting. Because OP has wonderful VAs. The only complaint I ever had was that one of my favorite voice actors (Jouji Nakata) played one of my least favorite characters (Hody Jones).

    Really though, now I only read the manga and watch clips.

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    If you watch it weekly with friends it's still a fun experience but One Pace is just better in every way.

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    It's so stupid that episode was banned and isn't available on Disney + now. Silly sensitive Christian Americans..

    Thank the devil I have all episodes on my harddrive anyway.

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