View Poll Results: Who is Luffy's 10th Person?

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  • Yamato

    125 45.45%
  • Shinobu

    1 0.36%
  • An Akazaya Samurai (Kin'emon, Kiku, etc.)

    1 0.36%
  • Momo

    8 2.91%
  • Tama

    7 2.55%
  • Carrot

    58 21.09%
  • A Supernova (Law, Drake, Bonney, etc.)

    7 2.55%
  • Caribou

    4 1.45%
  • Other

    22 8.00%
  • None: Jinbe is the final Straw Hat

    42 15.27%
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  1. #1261

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    Oda retconned the door sizes

  2. #1262

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    To all who say that our love is blind, I'd say just the opposite: we've been keeping an eye on the details with a pair of binoculars and noses up to the page looking for the clues. To all the Jinbe doubters, these are the bare minimum of moments that people are gonna look back on and wonder how there could have ever been any doubt:


    1. Jinbe's initial name drop as a potentially bigger bad than Arlong.
    2. The revelation that Jinbe was, in fact, a true-'n-blue good guy and friend of Ace.
    3. Being a part of the Impel Down breakout and demonstrating his unique skills with Fishman karate and calling his whale shark buds.
    4. Realizing that he'll have to eventually apologize for Arlong's misdeeds and thank Luffy for stopping him.
    5. His out-of-the-blue flashbacks to Ace detailing a request to look out for Luffy that could have been made earlier in their cell in real time without much problem, where instead the request was placed in the middle of his looking out for Luffy, both escaping the battlefield and recovering on Amazon Lily.
    6. Jinbe pulling Luffy out of his despair and reminding him of what he still has to fight for.
    7. The mirrored flashback of Ace telling Luffy's crew in Alabasta to look out for him as well.
    8. Promising to meet Luffy and his crew on Fishman Island at the end of 2 years.
    9. Having a connection and flashback to not only Fisher Tiger, as the other Sun Pirates had, but to Queen Otohime, as the rest of FI had, making him one of the only fishmen with 2 tragedies in his past (not counting Ace and Whitebeard making it 4).
    10. Forming a strong connection with not only Luffy from their experiences prior, but to Nami for their mutual connection to Arlong and her abdication of any grudge against fishmen as a whole including Jinbe, and more simply to Franky.
    11. The scuffle between Luffy and Jinbe, which allowed for A) Fishman karate to be better explained, B) the comparable power to be shown between the two and how neither outright trumps the other, and C) the hilarious image of Luffy and Jinbe punching each other out with Sanji as the helpless sap between them.
    12. The spread at the end of 633, with Jinbe right alongside all the Straw Hats prepped for battle.
    13. 634's colorspread with Jinbe noticeably absent from among the other Fishman Island denizens as though being saved for later.
    14. The title of 634 itself, "10 vs. 100,000", with the "10" presumably including Jinbe among the 9 Straw Hats.
    15. Jinbe's little quirk of wanting to take the time to think up a good operation name.
    16. Jinbe leading the role call of the rest of the Straw Hats at the end of 634.
    could make a similar list but applying to tama instead lol

    1. connected to the ace and oars jr flashback back in marineford
    2. Pirate apprentice first mentioned in volume 3, chapter 19, page 16, and ever since we got reminders that the position still exists.
    3. ace being her dead mentor
    4. has a dream
    5. has a past that is still not fully discovered yet, her background and the timeline inconsistency
    6. doesn't know Luffy is the brother of Ace yet
    7. Luffy doesn't know she was promised to join Ace's crew
    8. she wore Luffys strawhat and is from the "strawhat" village
    9. she is a straw hat weaver, in a story where we have two very important straw hats.
    10. has a connection to Ace's old crew
    11. has a strong bond to Luffy, but also Zoro and interacted with Chopper, Big mom, Momo and Kiku.
    12. volume cover of 91
    13. she is set up to do something important with her power.
    14. her design, social roles, characteristics, name and colors are seemingly unique and fitting within the crew.
    15. she has lots of varied influences into her character molding her to be a typical unique strawhat:ish kind of character.
    16. unnamed DF that has potential to fit in the DF pattern.

    17 (bonus). she would be the unexpected new member that Oda is trying to make (according to greg) but would still make 100% sense in hindsight.


    and uhhh thats all i could remember for now, of course... she still needs to be able to fight somehow

  3. #1263

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    If Tama fights it would be as a Ninja in-training which would be a unique fighting style in the crew, which also helps her chances. My only concern though is that at this point in the new world anyone new who joins needs to already be a capable fighter otherwise they will probably lag behind quite a Bit.

  4. #1264

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    Quote Originally Posted by black-leg jex View Post
    If Tama fights it would be as a Ninja in-training which would be a unique fighting style in the crew, which also helps her chances. My only concern though is that at this point in the new world anyone new who joins needs to already be a capable fighter otherwise they will probably lag behind quite a Bit.
    yeah, that is what I was thinking, and with her pets making up for the power difference against stronger foes. but she needs some basic combat abilities to deal with no name "fodders", and and some quirky ninja techniques like in ninja hattori kun would be perfect for that.

    --- Update From New Post Merge ---

    not really related to Tama joining the crew, but me and armamenthero were discussing and finding out about this on discord.

    Hosokowa Gracia, born as Akechi Tama has the same name and spelled with the same kanji as One Piece's Tama
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosokawa_Gracia

    arguably the most famous person from the Hosokawa clan, which is also the daimyo clan that used to rule over Kumamoto, Odas hometown. and their emblem?


    you will probably recognize this from Luffy's outfits right?



    pictures are borrowed from gregs blog, where he talked about the symbol, but he didn't mention it being from the hosokawa clan.
    https://one-piece.com/special/greg/d...0931.html?l=en

  5. #1265

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    That was a VERY INTERESTING conversation to say the least.
    Here’s how Naruto should end: Last panel is Naruto standing proudly over Konohagakure. Slowly zoom out to reveal Luffy staring into a snowglobe with a miniature Konoha inside it. Usopp asks him what he’s doing. Luffy replies “Thinkin’ bout ninjas! Ninjas are cool!” and then chucks it off the ship

  6. #1266

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solid View Post
    wow, I didnt realize so many people were against Jinbe, seems like theyre not active anymore tho?
    Oh don't worry, there still are people who as of now don't want to accept that he's part of the crew, luckily most seem to have vanished. But this tells you that no matter how much a character it's close to become a nakama, there's always gonna be denial...

  7. #1267

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    So Tama will be a ninja apprentice on a pirate ship without any person actually teaching her ninja stuff and at this point she hasn't shown any skill as a ninja at all as far as I remember.

    I agree with all the people saying that a role is not really important at this point. It is something that Oda adds later just to cross out some checkmarks. As previously said the helmsman role really wasn't needed. The Straw Hats managed to ride the knock up stream just fine, managed to get to fishman island without problems and also entered Wano without problems. The wave in WCI where Jinbei showcased his skill was only a problem because Oda needed this scene to happen. It is not that there was a problem that needed to be solved it is more like Oda had a solution and then created a problem around it.

    I also disagree that every straw hat needs to be the absolute best in their role. If that would be the case then why is Violet not the Straw Hats lookout? We have seen her even working together with Usopp! Oh right, because it would be boring for the Straw Hats to have the ability to see everything 50 kilometers in the distance or how ever far she could see.

    Carrot being the lookout is just something that fits, there is a reason why so many people in the OP fandom all started to suggest the same role and mention it every time Carrot spots something. Carrot has displayed her role as a lookout more than Jinbei did being a helmsman before joining. If Carrot joins there will be the same lists saying "just look at all those panels it was obvious from the beginning". Also it fits with her wanting to discover this "Wonderland" that is the ocean. If there are three islands on the horizon then Carrot would absolutely pick the weirdest most dangerous looking one, just like Luffy would want it.

    People need to realize that while Wano will be the longest arc in the series many things of it are also incredibly rushed. Skipping fights and scenes. When was the last time that there was a calm scene just for a chapter focusing on a single thing where the characters can breath? There are always three different things going on in any chapter, so many characters and their reactions to events must be shown. Carrot hasn't appeared much in the first two Wano acts that's absolutely true but none of the straw hats did much during that arc (I honestly can't remember what Brook or Usopp did) for the other Straw Hats you might find small things like Robin being a Geisha and Nami cosplaying as a ninja. But now that we are in Onigashima Carrot has appeared in almost every chapter and has more paneltime than most straw hats.


    Something else that came to my mind is how do you guys feel about Oden being Yamatos mentor figure? I really dislike it because those two characters have never met, never talked to each, Oden probably didn't even know she existed. Yamato didn't really know Oden either. All she knows about him is his execution, the legends told about him and the things he wrote in the logbook, she hasn't even had any connection to the people who knew Oden when he lived. That's a really weak mentor connection. All other Straw Hats have really deep and personal connections to their mentors and inspirations. In that regard Carrot has so much more going for her with Pedro.

  8. #1268

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    Brook found a poneglyph and dolls beneath the Shoguns castle. Each of the Strawhats have been shown doing stuff, might've been more minor, but they have been shown doing stuff integral to this arc.
    Here’s how Naruto should end: Last panel is Naruto standing proudly over Konohagakure. Slowly zoom out to reveal Luffy staring into a snowglobe with a miniature Konoha inside it. Usopp asks him what he’s doing. Luffy replies “Thinkin’ bout ninjas! Ninjas are cool!” and then chucks it off the ship

  9. #1269

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmamentHero View Post
    Brook found a poneglyph and dolls beneath the Shoguns castle. Each of the Strawhats have been shown doing stuff, might've been more minor, but they have been shown doing stuff integral to this arc.
    Ok my mistake I just reread the scene. Brook just mentions it casually (like he always does) without a panel with the poneglyph being shown so I just forgot it. Interesting that he only confirmed the location of it and couldn't get a copy this time. Robin has a lot of reading to do after this arc is over. 2 road Poneglyphs and I think 3 normal ones now? (2 from big mom and the one Brook found in Wano)

  10. #1270

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGarc View Post
    Something else that came to my mind is how do you guys feel about Oden being Yamatos mentor figure? I really dislike it because those two characters have never met, never talked to each, Oden probably didn't even know she existed. Yamato didn't really know Oden either. All she knows about him is his execution, the legends told about him and the things he wrote in the logbook, she hasn't even had any connection to the people who knew Oden when he lived. That's a really weak mentor connection. All other Straw Hats have really deep and personal connections to their mentors and inspirations. In that regard Carrot has so much more going for her with Pedro.
    I think that makes Yamato look more unique to me. Oda hadn't done that kind of mentor-pupil relationship yet, except with Bartolomeo (who was never meant to join). I'm curious how Yamato's character will develop from that since they may have difficulty finding themself. It is weak, but maybe that's the point and it will develop from that.

    And let's be fair Yamato has shown way more of a connection to Oden than Carrot ever did to Pedro despite the fact the later appeared together for multiple chapters. I still don't get the argument that Pedro is Carrot's dead mentor or her sad past, I think she only cried for a single page iirc.

  11. #1271

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    Did Oden know Yamato exist?

  12. #1272

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragon D. Luffy View Post
    And let's be fair Yamato has shown way more of a connection to Oden than Carrot ever did to Pedro despite the fact the later appeared together for multiple chapters. I still don't get the argument that Pedro is Carrot's dead mentor or her sad past, I think she only cried for a single page iirc.
    This segment is almost objectively incorrect. Yamato's connection to Oden as far as we know is that she saw him and was inspired by him. That's it afawk. We know Pedro trained Carrot into using the weapon she wields now and her wearing a green cape despite being a Musketeer was a homage to his tutelage. Also, she cried for multiple pages/chapters. Not sure where you saw her in crying in only one. That in of itself is a fact.

    Yamato's relation to Oden is of idolization and imitation. Carrot's relation to Pedro is of student and mentor. It's like apples to oranges.

  13. #1273

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragon D. Luffy View Post
    I think that makes Yamato look more unique to me. Oda hadn't done that kind of mentor-pupil relationship yet, except with Bartolomeo (who was never meant to join). I'm curious how Yamato's character will develop from that since they may have difficulty finding themself. It is weak, but maybe that's the point and it will develop from that.

    And let's be fair Yamato has shown way more of a connection to Oden than Carrot ever did to Pedro despite the fact the later appeared together for multiple chapters. I still don't get the argument that Pedro is Carrot's dead mentor or her sad past, I think she only cried for a single page iirc.
    Not sure I agree with ya 100 percent on your police work there Lou. Yamato didn't even know Oden. She just idolizes him based on his writings.
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  14. #1274

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solid View Post
    wow, I didnt realize so many people were against Jinbe, seems like theyre not active anymore tho?
    I was doubting he’d join during Marineford, he seemed more like a mentor figure then. Fishman Island opened the idea better for me. Luffy inviting him sealed the deal.

    I still feel Jinbe is a special case, highlighted by how extensive has been his journey between being invited and officially joining. Oda had to do a lot of steps to ready him for the crew.
    No, I'm not back. I never left. It's just that it has been a long time since I had something to say.

  15. #1275

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solid View Post
    Sure, but I went with positions that has been mentioned and given a name in the series, so there would be less room for speculation.
    Robin is an archaeologist right? It was never mentioned before Robin joined the Straw Hats and I believe no other crew officially has one.

    Carrot
    I still think she makes sense to join in the end. Mainly because she has joined a big portion of the story and she already feels like a pseudo part of the crew. I still find it weird she was even introduced. Because this was not needed at all. A lot of her parts in the Whole Cake Island could have been introduced by for example Pekoms cause he had a similar relationship in closeness with Pedro. He could have introduced Sulong and could have been the one to be there to witness the assumed death of Pedro.

    Lastly, she joined the crew in Whole Cake Island exactly like Neko and Inu did with Whitebeard and Roger.

    Yamato
    With how important Oden was to Roger and Whitebeard I wouldn't be surprised he will join as well. Especially with the notebook in his posession for now. The fact he wants to be like Oden also already gives us a link to a well loved and established character. So in that sense he would make a good fit.

    ----------

    At some point I did mention a theory in regards to the joining of Straw Hats the 4/4/4 theory where in each part of the seas we get 4 new members in the crew.
    I wouldn't be surprised if we get Carrot and Yamato both in Wano. I also wouldn't be surprised if we get a third person even in the crew from this arc (like how Whitebeard got 4 people joining in one go in Wano for example). Yamato would be someone related to the Kozuki and also related to Kaido. Jinbe was part of the crew of Big Mom for example.

    Also the notion of:

    Male/Female/Male/Male would still work as well.
    Jinbe, Carrot, Yamato, another Male.

    Yamato, I believe sees himself as a ~male~ Oden, right?

    My final take would be:
    Carrot, potentially eating a devil fruit. (Yuki Yuki no Mi?)
    Yamato
    Kuzan (if the Yuki Yuki no Mi isn't eaten)

    That said I do believe we do get a Logia in the crew some way or another.

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    Blackbeard crew.

    In regards of Blackbeard I do feel Weevile could join his crew at some point. I also believe Blackbeard will get notorious New World pirates in his crew as Titanic Captains. Which would end up a 13 vs 13 battle.
    Last edited by RobinotX; August 17th, 2020 at 08:45 AM.
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  16. #1276

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monquito View Post
    But the point with Usopp is that, SH's are the best among the crew at what they do, so while Nami knows vitamin C is good for scurvy during navigation, her knowledge in medicine is nothing compared to Chopper's.
    Any SH will know how to make a soup, but only Sanji is a Class S cheff, Chopper and Franky know how to swing a helm but cannot drive a ship into a tide like Jinbro does.
    Luffy and Usopp might like to sing, but are nothing close to be actual musicians, Brook himself knows how to cut with a sword but defintely can't dice a mountain-sized golem with it.

    That's the thing here, Usopp is a major obstacle for Carrot because he has that superior CoO Carrot has nothing to compete with, and we were just proven that Usopp will be the very first option to do Lookout activities as long as he's present.
    Usopp isn't always using his COO just like Luffy wouldn't always activate future sight if the ship was being attacked. Just look at Wano and how chaotic it was for them right before Jinbe arrived to take out the long-range battleships, you'd think Usopp or Luffy would be able to see that beforehand.

    It was a story element to give Jinbe a dramatic entrance. The fact that the long-range battleship was unnoticed until too late was a surprise plot element for Jinbe, and not some means to dismiss any characters lack of observation.

  17. #1277

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinotX View Post
    Robin is an archaeologist right? It was never mentioned before Robin joined the Straw Hats and I believe no other crew officially has one.
    Yeah, but the circumstances regarding those two positions are vastly different.

    Robin joined as the archeologist after 200 chapters, after we just got introduced to the poneglyphs and all that, and it is of course not a traditional position on a ship.

    After almost going 1000 chapters in the series, and still no mention of the look out position even though we have seen several different characters standing as a look out I’d think there is no hope of it ever going becoming an official position. And it is not like its an important or story related position either so if it wasnt mentioned before, I dont see why it would ever needed to be mentioned later.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deicide View Post
    I was doubting he’d join during Marineford, he seemed more like a mentor figure then. Fishman Island opened the idea better for me. Luffy inviting him sealed the deal.

    I still feel Jinbe is a special case, highlighted by how extensive has been his journey between being invited and officially joining. Oda had to do a lot of steps to ready him for the crew.
    Ive been with Jinbe since day 1, but I was also with Paulie since day 1 lmao.

  18. #1278

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solid View Post
    After almost going 1000 chapters in the series, and still no mention of the look out position even though we have seen several different characters standing as a look out I’d think there is no hope of it ever going becoming an official position. And it is not like its an important or story related position either so if it wasnt mentioned before, I dont see why it would ever needed to be mentioned later.
    Which is the same as Jinbe being Helmsman when the crew never really needed one to get to Wano thus far? Like it's been pointed out, the story is written in a way where Oda has a solution and writes problems around them to give the character a sense of purpose. Otherwise these roles are more or less just an excuse to be on the crew. I'm pretty sure if Robin didn't exist, the story could have been written without Poneglyphs and had some other means of unveiling worldly history and secret islands. We like to believe that she's only there because of Poneglyphs without considering that the Poneglyphs themselves are just a macguffin to give a crewmember a sense of purpose that otherwise would not exist.

    This would generally apply to any future character, whether we acknowledge the macguffin already or not.

    Yamato has Oden's logbook. Carrot potentially has Pedro's will to carry. Tama promised to Ace to be an enchanting Kunoichi. These are all things that are directly related to Luffy or the Straw Hats in the big picture of the story. We just don't have plot-oriented problems built around any of these to consider these macguffins yet.
    Last edited by Triceron; August 17th, 2020 at 08:56 AM.

  19. #1279

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    Sure but The helmsman position has always been in discussion ever since it was revealed Burgess was the helmsman of the blackbeard crew in Jaya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    Which is the same as Jinbe being Helmsman when the crew never really needed one to get to Wano thus far? Like it's been pointed out, the story is written in a way where Oda has a solution and writes problems around them to give the character a sense of purpose. Otherwise these roles are more or less just an excuse to be on the crew. I'm pretty sure if Robin didn't exist, the story could have been written without Poneglyphs and had some other means of unveiling worldly history and secret islands. We like to believe that she's only there because of Poneglyphs without considering that the Poneglyphs themselves are just a macguffin to give a crewmember a sense of purpose that otherwise would not exist.
    That's a bad analogy, though. Especially with Jimbei being a Helmsman like no other, where he can jump overboard and tow the ship if necessary, like when Mohmoo was towing Caribou's ship to Fishman Island. At best a lookout can passively call out a danger or something and the rest of the crew then reacts to it at best a few minutes before they would have noticed anyway. A truly useful lookout system would be able to see beneath the waters, too, for hazards coming from a place they would expect to be vulnerable. I'd expect a Straw Hat worthy of a permanent post as a lookout to have no issues doing both of those things and for Oda to be creative enough for it. Someone with an ability similar to Violet's would of course meet that requirement but that ship has sailed, clearly.

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