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  • Yamato

    189 51.36%
  • Shinobu

    1 0.27%
  • An Akazaya Samurai (Kin'emon, Kiku, etc)

    1 0.27%
  • Momo

    9 2.45%
  • Tama

    9 2.45%
  • Carrot

    68 18.48%
  • A Supernova (Law, Drake, Bonney, etc.)

    7 1.90%
  • Caribou

    6 1.63%
  • Other

    28 7.61%
  • None: Jinbe is the final Straw Hat

    50 13.59%
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  1. #10061

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    I will never understand how Oda introduced a talking skeleton musician with an afro and a yohoho laugh that poops who Luffy asked to join immediately in a two page spread... and people had doubts about him joining.

    Folks didn't get on board until the Laboon connection came to light.

    I will never understand.
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  2. #10062
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    I was sold the moment I seen a Skeleton with an Afro that was a gentleman.

    Brook's character just screamed love from the first appearance.

    Jinbe was a different case. I came to love him during the Battle of Marineford Arc where I came to want him to be part of the SHP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    I will never understand how Oda introduced a talking skeleton musician with an afro and a yohoho laugh that poops who Luffy asked to join immediately in a two page spread... and people had doubts about him joining.

    Folks didn't get on board until the Laboon connection came to light.

    I will never understand.
    I don't know, it's easy to say that in hindsight. Whoever joins after Wano (if any), their respective fanbase will act as if it's been obvious for a very long time even though we know that there are plenty of people who doubted it or straight up disagreed. And coming from an arc where Oda deliberately played with red herrings and sowing doubt everywhere I can kinda understand why people would still be wary of something that is so "in your face" as Brook's introduction was.
    Heck, some people still believe that Jimbei is going to die before the arc is over because his toast was postponed. I also don't understand, just as I don't understand the arguments people are bringing up for Carrot or Tama, but if we're all equally convinced of our contradicting interpretations I'll be careful to call anything obvious.

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    I remember when I was catching up during the Water 7 saga and initially thought Paulie would join over Franky... along with many others. Man, those were the days. Still think fighting with ropes is cool and unique, shame it was just a one-off.
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  5. #10065

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nidhoeggr View Post
    I remember when I was catching up during the Water 7 saga and initially thought Paulie would join over Franky... along with many others. Man, those were the days. Still think fighting with ropes is cool and unique, shame it was just a one-off.
    Yep, they were! I was team Paulie too when he first appeared

  6. #10066

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nidhoeggr View Post
    I remember when I was catching up during the Water 7 saga and initially thought Paulie would join over Franky... along with many others. Man, those were the days. Still think fighting with ropes is cool and unique, shame it was just a one-off.
    I watched OP because of the pandemic, and was sure that Galley-La was made just for fans to try and guess who the shipwright was going to be... I even had a little bracket of the members that I was going to eliminate over time. Paulie being the gambler who didn't fit in as well as the rest made him the obvious front runner, but as soon as Franky appeared with Bon Clay's VA and a job in ship demolition, it was obvious where it was headed.

    I didn't intend to push people to make a new thread... that Brook thread was made as the Thriller Bark battle was winding down, so maybe a good time for a new poll would be around the conclusion of the raid?

  7. #10067

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    The Water 7 bait and switch worked well because we started the arc with the mission of finding a new crewmate. Then we were presented with many cool carpenters and could speculate a lot as to how or why they would join.

    Meanwhile, in Wano, the setup was created only by the fans. We speculated that someone will join in Wano and that it would be tbe last possible arc for another nakama. So we think that Yamato openly declaring his desire to sail with Luffy as a bait. But it would be a bait that wasn't set up by the story. So, anyone thinking Yamato won't join can try to come up with scenarios in which he stays. They are possible scenarios, but a bit contrieved

  8. #10068

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    Here's another thread... this one was started near the end of the sea train ride towards Enies Lobby. http://www.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=2635 Even the first comment sounds oddly familiar: "I reckon Franky will stay at water7 and help iceberg rebuilt it or somethign like that"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roosta View Post
    Here's another thread... this one was started near the end of the sea train ride towards Enies Lobby. http://www.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=2635 Even the first comment sounds oddly familiar: "I reckon Franky will stay at water7 and help iceberg rebuilt it or somethign like that"
    16 years later and we're still at "Yamato will stay to become Momo's retainer" / "Carrot will return to Zou to nibble on some grass"

  10. #10070

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coookie View Post
    16 years later and we're still at "Yamato will stay to become Momo's retainer" / "Carrot will return to Zou to nibble on some grass"
    Everyone does their best to try and find precedent/past events to try and predict what's going to happen. Vivi was a "bait", so now anything can be a bait. In reality, though, nobody has ever stowed away on the Sunny like Carrot did, and nobody has ever walked up to Luffy and asked to join him like Yamato did, so both are pretty unprecedented.

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    That stowing away part happened with Robin though....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nidhoeggr View Post
    That stowing away part happened with Robin though....
    I was about to say, but also the part of just straight up asking Luffy to let them join

  13. #10073

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    I would say Robin is very different from those two, though.
    • Robin saved Luffy's life, then stowed away and asked to join after Luffy heard her story and he saved her life. Luffy himself is the one that put her in that position, and she even said he should take responsibility and accept her as a member of the crew.
    • Carrot stowed away with a specific purpose, and hasn't asked to join despite being around for 200 chapters.
    • Yamato asked to join Luffy moments after revealing his identity.

  14. #10074

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    I was one of the few that doubted Brook joining pretty much until the Oars fight started.
    My reasoning, at the time, was based on two things.

    1. Brook used a sword, Zoro used swords. There really wasn't overlap with the Strawhats abilities at that time as there is now, so at the time it was something that lead me to believe Brook didn't have a unique enough fighting style. And to be fair on myself, Oda pretty much gave him a whole new skillset anyway after the timeskip

    2. He was gonna be a musician, and Franky, a guitar player, just joined the crew.
    At the time TB came out, I did not believe Oda would have a musician actually be a position in the crew. I thought he hit the mark of musician with Franky just joining, and that Luffy would be content once Franky busted out that guitar on the Sunny for the first time.

    In addition Franky was the first new member after several years without adding one. Myself and many didn't expect another one right off the bat.

    But all doubt about Brook joining were gone about 3/4 through TB for me.
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    Brook and Paulie had a lot of interaction with the Strawhats though, much more than Carrot and certainly way more than Yamato. I just feel like it would be very hard for Oda to make us care for such a lategame crewmember outside of a very specific, limited role such as Buggy/Shanks style apprentices... which I why I favor Carrot over Yamato. Or even Momonosuke, but there is no way he will leave Wano since he has to take over as shogun.
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  16. #10076

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    I will never understand how Oda introduced a talking skeleton musician with an afro and a yohoho laugh that poops who Luffy asked to join immediately in a two page spread... and people had doubts about him joining.

    Folks didn't get on board until the Laboon connection came to light.

    I will never understand.

  17. #10077

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nidhoeggr View Post
    Brook and Paulie had a lot of interaction with the Strawhats though, much more than Carrot and certainly way more than Yamato. I just feel like it would be very hard for Oda to make us care for such a lategame crewmember outside of a very specific, limited role such as Buggy/Shanks style apprentices... which I why I favor Carrot over Yamato. Or even Momonosuke, but there is no way he will leave Wano since he has to take over as shogun.
    Haven't Momonosuke and Kinemon had better interactions with the crew than anyone?

    This is a point of view I have some trouble understanding, and part of why I bring up precedent. Is there another character that you thought could have been a Strawhat, but didn't get crew interactions and it didn't work out? I see the Luffy-Yamato relationship as a parallel to Luffy-Jinbe in Impel Down-Marineford: an extremely power ally appears from nowhere, is freed by Luffy, and contributes significantly to Luffy's efforts. If Jinbe asked to join Luffy's crew then, do you think Luffy would have said no, because he hadn't met the crew? Projecting forward a bit: Yamato is headed into the Skull Dome now. If he starts to meet Strawhats and has good interactions with them, will it make you change your view?

    Not trying to be antagonistic, just curious about where you're coming from.

  18. #10078

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    Three Straw Hat members joined since I started reading weekly.

    First was Franky. I didn't count on him, I was on team Paulie. Paulie seemed like the shipwright, while Franky seemed set on just building the ship. Up until Enies Lobby started I feel Paulie had a chance, but once the final fights with CP-9 started, thought, I had to admit I was wrong.

    Next was Brook. If I remember correctly, I was a little suspicious but very open to him. He was quirky, funny, and had a very unique visual, so I was lukewarm towards him and curious about his role. He was a musician, like Luffy said he wanted since the beginning. When the Laboon connection was revealed, I became sure he was going to join.
    People even then would point out that his promise required him to backtrack to Reverse Mountain instead of moving forward with the crew, or pointed how Brook losing to Ryuuma and later being (initially) absent from the Oars fight were signs he wasn't going to join.

    Last was Jinbe. Now, this one I just couldn't it coming. I could reckognize him as a true friend, but he always seemed so... bland! I've warmed up to him since, but he still feels somewhat detached from the others, even thought he fills the family dynamic nicely as "the father" (but back then the "father" was Franky, so even in that Jinbe seemed set to be an outsider). Jinbe is still my least favorite Straw Hat.

    I look at Yamato and just see... nothing at all. Sorry. The more we learn about him, more it feels like he's set to become Wano's "guardian spirit", I can't ignore the significance of his Oden worship, beast theme and passion for the country. Even thought the character declares often that he wants to leave with Luffy, it still feels very one-sided at this point, and there's a recurring device in storytelling about "wants versus needs", and I think Yamato wants may not be what he truly needs to find himself and be whole. I may be wrong (I was in two out of three cases above), but that's my stance right now.
    Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

  19. #10079

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deicide View Post
    Three Straw Hat members joined since I started reading weekly.

    First was Franky. I didn't count on him, I was on team Paulie. Paulie seemed like the shipwright, while Franky seemed set on just building the ship. Up until Enies Lobby started I feel Paulie had a chance, but once the final fights with CP-9 started, thought, I had to admit I was wrong.

    Next was Brook. If I remember correctly, I was a little suspicious but very open to him. He was quirky, funny, and had a very unique visual, so I was lukewarm towards him and curious about his role. He was a musician, like Luffy said he wanted since the beginning. When the Laboon connection was revealed, I became sure he was going to join.
    People even then would point out that his promise required him to backtrack to Reverse Mountain instead of moving forward with the crew, or pointed how Brook losing to Ryuuma and later being (initially) absent from the Oars fight were signs he wasn't going to join.

    Last was Jinbe. Now, this one I just couldn't it coming. I could reckognize him as a true friend, but he always seemed so... bland! I've warmed up to him since, but he still feels somewhat detached from the others, even thought he fills the family dynamic nicely as "the father" (but back then the "father" was Franky, so even in that Jinbe seemed set to be an outsider). Jinbe is still my least favorite Straw Hat.

    I look at Yamato and just see... nothing at all. Sorry. The more we learn about him, more it feels like he's set to become Wano's "guardian spirit", I can't ignore the significance of his Oden worship, beast theme and passion for the country. Even thought the character declares often that he wants to leave with Luffy, it still feels very one-sided at this point, and there's a recurring device in storytelling about "wants versus needs", and I think Yamato wants may not be what he truly needs to find himself and be whole. I may be wrong (I was in two out of three cases above), but that's my stance right now.
    I appreciate that you're honest, it would be really easy to just say you saw it coming every single time, lol. Regarding Jinbe: for how long did you think it wouldn't happen? Until Luffy asked, or until WCI/Wano? Also, one thing I want to mention in response to your Yamato point is: he said he wants to leave with Luffy once (twice if you count asking for a ride on the Sunny), every other time has been Yamato neutrally expressing his "want" to leave Wano.

  20. #10080

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roosta View Post
    I appreciate that you're honest, it would be really easy to just say you saw it coming every single time, lol. Regarding Jinbe: for how long did you think it wouldn't happen? Until Luffy asked, or until WCI/Wano? Also, one thing I want to mention in response to your Yamato point is: he said he wants to leave with Luffy once (twice if you count asking for a ride on the Sunny), every other time has been Yamato neutrally expressing his "want" to leave Wano.
    When Marineford ended, I was afraid I was wrong, but still trusted my instincts so I kept waiting for clues in Fishman Island. When his flashback came out, I thought it was a done deal, but then the flashback wasn't as directly about Jinbe or his dreams as it was for past Straw Hats, I still kept doubting it a bit. When Luffy finally asked Jinbe as a cliffhanger, I felt Jinbe joining wouldn't happen immediately because there was something lacking yet, but I was convinced it would happen eventually. Indeed, the following chapter delayed his official joining for a few more arcs. But, when Jinbe came back in WCI, I was sure that he would leave the arc as a full official Straw Hat (and then Oda delayed it again until Wano, lol).
    Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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