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  • Yamato

    189 51.36%
  • Shinobu

    1 0.27%
  • An Akazaya Samurai (Kin'emon, Kiku, etc)

    1 0.27%
  • Momo

    9 2.45%
  • Tama

    9 2.45%
  • Carrot

    68 18.48%
  • A Supernova (Law, Drake, Bonney, etc.)

    7 1.90%
  • Caribou

    6 1.63%
  • Other

    28 7.61%
  • None: Jinbe is the final Straw Hat

    50 13.59%
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  1. #9161

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coookie View Post
    Good thing Jimbei stayed behind to protect Fishman Island from future potential threats.
    Good thing Chopper stayed behind to protect Drum from future potential threats.
    Good thing Sanji stayed behind to protect the Baratie from future potential threats.
    Good thing Usopp stayed behind to protect Syrup Village from future potential threats.
    Good thing Nami stayed behind to protect Coco Village from future potential threats.
    Quote Originally Posted by King Cannon View Post
    That's never been a concern to any place the Straw Hats have visited before. Now it suddenly is?

    You think the Samurai, Yakuza, Minks and such can't fight the WG or other threats? Because, you know, having Yamato around wouldn't really matter if the WG got serious and decided to send in 2 or 3 Admirals at once. In the end, he's just a person.
    None of previously visited places was essential to the Dawn of the World.

    Wano isn't any place.
    Kaido chose it for a reason.
    Sengoku hinted at it having a hidden purpose and importance.
    It had its borders closed to protect itself from a huge enemy power.

    It's a very special place, and Yamato knows of its importance because he read Oden's journal. Momonosuke as well, so there's even someone to remind Yamato he can't protect Wano by himself.
    Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

  2. #9162

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    The whole problem with the "Yamato is going to be conflicted between Wano and the sea" is that it really has no point.

    If Oda intended Yamato to stay, then he would've just wrote the character as a person who wants to free Wano and aid the alliance in doing so like any other Samurai, without needing to state that he wants to leave. Like, what would be the purpose of that?

    Essentially, the idea of a inner conflict post-arc is entirely on Deicide's head, which is funny considering all the times he goes "you are ignoring what Oda is clearly trying to show in the narrrraaaaaatiiive".

    Quote Originally Posted by Deicide View Post
    None of previously visited places was essential to the Dawn of the World.

    Wano isn't any place.
    Kaido chose it for a reason.
    Sengoku hinted at it having a hidden purpose and importance.
    It had its borders closed to protect itself from a huge enemy power.

    It's a very special place, and Yamato knows of its importance because he read Oden's journal. Momonosuke as well, so there's even someone to remind Yamato he can't protect Wano by himself.
    If Yamato knows the importance of Wano, then why does he keep saying he wants to leave despite already having read the logbook?

    The argument becomes more and more illogical the more I see it. In that case, Oda could've just written Yamato as someone who strives to be Wano's guardian, aware of its importance, and wants to defeat Kaido because his presence is destroying it.

    But no, Yamato wants to leave Wano. Just like Rebecca wanted to be reunited with her father. Just like Vivi wanted to free her country of the war. Just like Wyper and the Shandia wanted to kick Enel out of their home.

    All those characters present their desires early on and manage to achieve them, but Yamato, somehow, is the only character in the world whose desire to leave, introduced right after his debut, is actually fake?
    Last edited by King Cannon; September 5th, 2021 at 12:18 PM.

  3. #9163
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    How many experienced New World pirates have an interest in the Dawn and would be willing to use Wano for their own purpose when the strongest creature alive failed to do so? The World Government has left Wano alone for 800 years, the SSG might change that but right now they're still busy with the aftermath of the Reverie and catching the Warlords. And then there's still the question why Yamato alone would make the decisive difference between Wano's victory or defeat

    To bring some fresh wind into the thread, I think we should go back and revisit the chance of Gaimon joining the crew. He was asked by Luffy and there's nothing in the story that says he can't suddenly reappear much stronger so we should keep the possibility in mind. He could be the crew's treasurer so Nami can focus on navigating.
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  4. #9164
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    If anything, the World Government would target the Straw Hat Pirates over Wano Kuni considering the ability the Straw Hat Pirates have to uncover the past they wish hidden. Im was "interested" in Luffy's wanted poster for a reason.

    By Yamato and Momonosuke understanding the importance of Wano Kuni and the Dawn, they would both agree that Yamato would serve better aboard the Thousand Sunny fulfilling what Oden wished rather than waiting for an attack by the World Government.

    And if the World Government still holds an interest in Kaido's DNA, they would have an interest in targeting Yamato. By keeping Yamato in Wano, it may expose the nation to more danger. It would be more sensible to move the target aboard the Thousand Sunny which already has a target painted on them by the World Government after their actions on Enies Lobby.

  5. #9165

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deicide View Post
    It's a very special place, and Yamato knows of its importance because he read Oden's journal.
    Who else does? Does the WG know of that? Does Blackbeard? Those are factors to consider.
    If those two parties don't know that, it's as safe as any other island.

    "There will be an answer, let it be."

  6. #9166

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    Reminder that Deicide literally once thought that Yamato was what was shown. That he wouldn't get a flashback because there was nothing there.

    Now that a flashback exists, he's stating that Yamato is something else than what is shown. That everything about him is fake except for the parts that support my theories.

  7. #9167

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    I think Yamato's flashbacks are interesting

    Yamato's first flashback was him and Ace, and how it tied him to Luffy via vivre card and Secret dream.

    Now we have a flashback with him and Ushimaru, who is definitely related to Zoro... Meaning Yamato has a narrative tie to Zoro too in some degree
    Here’s how Naruto should end: Last panel is Naruto standing proudly over Konohagakure. Slowly zoom out to reveal Luffy staring into a snowglobe with a miniature Konoha inside it. Usopp asks him what he’s doing. Luffy replies “Thinkin’ bout ninjas! Ninjas are cool!” and then chucks it off the ship

  8. #9168

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    And besides... if Blackbeard or the WG would try to invade Wano... Yamato couldn't do shit about it...
    If such a scenario happens, the Strawhats and their allies are the guardians...

    "There will be an answer, let it be."

  9. #9169

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmamentHero View Post
    I think Yamato's flashbacks are interesting

    Yamato's first flashback was him and Ace, and how it tied him to Luffy via vivre card and Secret dream.

    Now we have a flashback with him and Ushimaru, who is definitely related to Zoro... Meaning Yamato has a narrative tie to Zoro too in some degree
    Now I'm half-expecting Yamato to learn about Judge from Queen just to tie him in with Sanji lol.

  10. #9170

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Cannon View Post
    Now I'm half-expecting Yamato to learn about Judge from Queen just to tie him in with Sanji lol.
    To learn that Yams does not have a mom, he's project X the whacky science gang did once on a drunken bet

  11. #9171

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    Technically she already has a connection with Franky due to him meeting Oden in Water 7...

    "There will be an answer, let it be."

  12. #9172

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kishido View Post
    I have only 2 problems with Yamato even if she is a lock.

    1. What will be her role? She can't be the Oden because Oden was seeked by Roger for his ability to read the Poneglyphs. So what has Oda in store? Writing a log keeper journal? This brings me to problem 2

    2. Yeah I got she wants to go out on adventures... But are the SHs fitting for it? They already have seen enough and like Oda said... There are in their final phase... Oden at least went back to Skypia and Co to see the world while Yamato won't see as much.
    Logkeeper, and in that case my take is that either Luffy's pirating adventures will keep going for years after he becomes PK, or there will be a timeskip at some point between Wano and the final arc of the series that will allow some logkeeping to happen, similarly to Oden's case. I mean, he wasn't around for most of Roger's pirate career either.

  13. #9173

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Cannon View Post
    Now I'm half-expecting Yamato to learn about Judge from Queen just to tie him in with Sanji lol.
    Hey, hey, Yamato has 'unknown' birth origins
    Here’s how Naruto should end: Last panel is Naruto standing proudly over Konohagakure. Slowly zoom out to reveal Luffy staring into a snowglobe with a miniature Konoha inside it. Usopp asks him what he’s doing. Luffy replies “Thinkin’ bout ninjas! Ninjas are cool!” and then chucks it off the ship

  14. #9174
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    Monthly reminder that Yamato was introduced in the arc where we learn Kaido was just an Apprentice in Rocks, and the origins of other Pirate Apprentices' were explored in Oden's flashback. Also oddly has a mystical zoan fruit like a young Marco, or how Yamato is a powerhouse despite being a little naive like a young Kaido was sailing under Zebec.

    Oda's never recycled crew positions, if Zoro is still fighter, Yamato wont be. Zoro has to proclaim his role as Vice Captain or First mate before Luffy pops the question, or guys I'm almost certain Yamato will be their Pirate Apprentice.


    Just consider that strength and experience aren't mutually exclusive. Yamato at the moment is closer to a Samurai like Kinemon and others than a Pirate. This chapter confirms it, she's not fooling around or posing. But what does she know of sailing and adapting to new freakish environments we've come to know? Or braving a Buster call of Elite Marines?

    Yes she's strong, but she's inexperienced how it concerns facets of adventuring as a Pirate. Oda logic = Apprentice who is really strong.

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    All that weaponry Wano developed over the past two decades like those long range cannons can come into play when the defense of the nation comes into focus.

    And who knows, going by the flow of the narrative, the Numbers may become guardians of Wano Kuni after meeting Usopp. JOIN HIM!

    Marco is also based around that area given how he flew to Wano Kuni.

    Quote Originally Posted by King Cannon View Post
    Now I'm half-expecting Yamato to learn about Judge from Queen just to tie him in with Sanji lol.
    Who knows, when Kaido recruited Queen after MADs disbanded, Yamato may have been brought along where he met Judge (and Vegapunk).

    And seeing as Jack is a Fish Man, Jack's parents may be related to Jinbe somehow.

    Yamato's interest in Joy Boy already connects him to Robin and if Yamato has Giant DNA, Usopp would totally be onboard. Yamato is also an animal, well he can transform into one. And like a certain skeleton who remained stuck/trapped in an area for decades, Yamato shares that in common.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zhenja View Post
    Technically she already has a connection with Franky due to him meeting Oden in Water 7...
    Yes!

  16. #9176

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    Too bad Yams zoan form is so butt ugly

  17. #9177

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    Cue in: "If that's the apprentice then what about the captain?!".

    Yeah, I totally see Oda doing: Child of an emperor, apprentice.
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    Also this may be nothing, but Luffy was introduced to all of his female crewmates while looking up to them. Nami sitting on the house, Robin sitting on the upper level of the merry looking down on the crew and, now looking up to Yamato because of their advanced height.

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  19. #9179

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Cannon View Post
    Reminder that Deicide literally once thought that Yamato was what was shown. That he wouldn't get a flashback because there was nothing there.

    Now that a flashback exists, he's stating that Yamato is something else than what is shown. That everything about him is fake except for the parts that support my theories.
    This is an ongoing discussion. Viewpoints change as more information comes and goes. That's the point of coming here weekly, rather than stating something once and then only coming back in the end to see who got what right.

    Plus, just because Yamato got some much-needed depth of emotion here, it doesn't mean his character or his role in the story has changed significantly. He's still mainly a (1) exposition character, and (2) the guy holding Kaido while Luffy is away. He just got a much-needed emotional core and feels more like a character than a plot device now. He's still not a main character in my opinion.
    Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

  20. #9180

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    I think the "Momo's retainer" argument was killed and buried when he turned into a 28 year old copy of Oden with a devil fruit that CP0 is afraid of.

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