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  • Yamato

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  • Shinobu

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  • An Akazaya Samurai (Kin'emon, Kiku, etc.)

    1 0.33%
  • Momo

    8 2.62%
  • Tama

    7 2.30%
  • Carrot

    61 20.00%
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  1. #5521

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    So if Yamato turns out to not be a white tiger, are people going to start doubting his NN potential (even though, again, the 2,9 theory doesn't apply to a tiger anyway)?

  2. #5522

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    I'd say Yamato's DF is less important than how it's portrayed. Zoans are kinda cool for secondary characters and villains because the hybrid reveals are inately cool and signify a strength boost over the base form. But, for a main character, that effect is kinda lost over time. The hybrid just becomes his usual fighting form.

    Chopper's multiple forms are an essential part of making him not stale. I'd say some beasts, like Pell's falcon fruit, also allows interesting abilities like flying.

    So, I'd be more interested in seeing what special abilities Yamato has, or if he shows some interesting alternative forms. Those small details would matter way more than what beast he is, IMO.

    Serious question: what could a mythic white tiger fruit potentially do?
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  3. #5523

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    There are DF users and non DF users in the crew. I don't get how the type of DF can be a deal breaker here.

  4. #5524

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobLoblaw View Post
    So if Yamato turns out to not be a white tiger, are people going to start doubting his NN potential (even though, again, the 2,9 theory doesn't apply to a tiger anyway)?
    Doubt it, nothing seems to deter people from rooting for a character they really want to join

    look at all the other examples that people never gave up on until the end, no matter how obvious, people are gonna believe what people are gonna believe

  5. #5525

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    Let me fix this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berry Rich View Post

    So Neko fits 2-9 theory? g:
    It can Gorowase is just word play depends on how it’s written and such.

    Cause there Kun’yomi, there is On’yomi, there derivatives of those from English of those too.

    Like under Kun you wouldn’t have the naming of the Vinsmokes brothers as it comes from On’yomi.

    Hell even Luffy Gomu 56 comes form both Kun’yomi and On’yomi

    If Oda wants it to fit he can.

    This is all from my understanding of it.

  6. #5526

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cockycent View Post
    There are DF users and non DF users in the crew. I don't get how the type of DF can be a deal breaker here.
    It's because some people seem to think that the DF theory would help support Yamato potentially joining if he's a tiger (i.e. cat or "neko") That doesn't really fit the "Ni" or "Kyu" (2,9) from the original theory, but that doesn't seem to be stopping people. Besides, Who's Who has a neko neko fruit. I don't see Oda giving a villain and an ally the same base fruit when both of them were introduced in the same arc.

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    Why isnt King considered for the T-Rex DF?
    Quote Originally Posted by Berry Rich View Post
    So...
    Blue Dragon is Kaido.

    White Tiger is Yamato.

    Red Phoenix is Marco? If no since he has blue fire, then King?? Big Mom???

    Black Tortoise is Pekoms!? Wait no...Kawamatsu!!
    Its possible there's another mythical Phoenix zoan that's red. A bit doubtful.

    A little more likely that when Marco is awakened the Phoenix turns red.

    I'd just say the black tortoise mythical zoan hasn't been introduced yet. Pekoms doesnt have it lol I think a more prominent character than Kawamatsu will get the DF as well.



    Quote Originally Posted by Cockycent View Post
    Jinbe has been clear on his code through example. The way he's interacted with ACe, Luffy, BM and WB is enough proof.
    Still doesn't change what I said about you knowing eother of their codes.


    Official translation by Stephen - Lets get on a ship and move away from the island
    https://i.imgur.com/8ZLJNdL.jpg
    Says right there Momo is the top priority and to get him on the ship and leave.

    The statement is about getting Momo of Onigashima. Most likely to mainland Wano.
    Oda wants me to believe that Yamato would die for Momo. He took on a lot of damage. Then he stated where in stem from. He has Momo on his back. I'm gonna take Yamato's word for this.
    None of this has anything to do with you not being able to tell the difference between "would" and "want" or past tense and present tense.

    He fought Ace for multiple days and interven when WB was attacked. Jinbe has shown that he is willing to be loyal to WB.
    This is not a response to anything I said.

    Jimbe said he would die for WB. He didn't die for WB. He didn't join WB's crew because he said he would die for him.

    Just because someone says they would die for you it doesn't mean that character will join that person's crew or be their retainer or be subservient to them



    Yamato said he'd die for Momo.
    That's what i've always said. You were the one that kept getting that wrong.

    It's in the official translation.
    The official translation says "would" not "want" you kept saying and repeating the wrong word as if you don't know the difference.


    He made the statement after Luffy and stated where it comes from. That is the execution.
    Yes. This is what you kept getting wrong before. Glad we're on the same page finally.

    The SH chances were massive at first, but once he got to Momo
    Not how it works.

    If Yamato didn't take attacks, confirm his emotions from the execution, say that he'd go on the boat, and complain about his possible rooftop intrusion without blaming Momo's protection
    All of this is Yamato doing what Luffy told him to; protect Momo. That's what Luffy told Momo to do.

    When Luffy told Yamato to do it, he wasn't sure if he should.

    The rest is Yamato building trust so that Momo and Shinobu will trust him.



    I wouldn't take him being a retainer seriously. Due to those factors, I have to. Oda is heavily telegraphing this and I can't ignore the possibility just like him possibly being a SH.
    Occam's razor, seems more like this is an option you made up that you want to happen more than it being a possibility with support.

    Him and Jinbe aren't comparable because Jinbe didn't have to weigh joining the SH and dying for WB.
    Yes they are because I'm not talking about dying for someone versus joining a crew.

    I'm talking about saying you would die for someone doesnt mean you'll join them in any capacity. Jimbe said he'd die for WB, never joined his crew. Yamato said he'd die for Momo, he's not gonna be his retainer.

    I've said this several times and you still dont get it.

    Yamato still has Momo and the SH crew within range and alive. He has stated through example and feelings why Momo is priority. He has been more clear about Momo being priority over a SH trip. Maybe in the end it's both or he chooses only one. Until Oda writes the 2 apart, I have to take the retainer possibility seriously
    .
    It's not serious because Yamato being Momo's retainer is something you made up.

    Yamato never asked to be Momo's retainer.

    Momo hasn't asked Yamato to be his retainer.

    However, Yamato has stated several times he wants to leave Wano, be free, go on adventures, and he has made it clear that after Kaido is taken down he wants to leave with Luffy.

    That's what's in the story. Not anything about being a retainer.


    I was waiting for Carrot to create some connection with Momo, but that hasn't happen yet.
    Whether Carrot meets Momo od not has absolutely nothing to do with if Carrot becomes a strawhat or not.

    The choices are not be a strawhat or be Momo's retainer.

    False dichotomy. You can indulge in logical fallacies if you want I won't.

    Maybe it does. Until then, she seems like a possible SH. She was shown from the jump (wow is that a pun) to jump really high. It was her second chapter and Oda felt the need to show that. Then Oda dragged her along without having her ask the rest of her tribe. She fit into their antics on her first trip that far from her home. Then they had her lose someone in real time. Some of the audience claim she hasn't shown that she has the Dawn and Pedro on the mind, but it is shown after her off panel L to 1 of my current favorites, Pero. I'm trying not to go off on his praise, great character.

    Perospero could've just walked away from the side character with his infamous taunting that makes him such a dope character. Instead, he shows that Carrot still has something to do with how the weather affected her and the Dawn.
    Yeah, can't wait to see Yamato with Luffy, Sanji, Zoro, Nami, Chopper, Robin, Usopp, Franky, Jimbe, and Brook sailing to the next island
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  8. #5528

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    Still doesn't change what I said about you knowing eother of their codes.
    Doubt Jinbe's code has changed. Haven't seen him waver.



    Says right there Momo is the top priority and to get him on the ship and leave.

    The statement is about getting Momo of Onigashima. Most likely to mainland Wano.

    None of this has anything to do with you not being able to tell the difference between "would" and "want" or past tense and present tense.
    Yeah, Yamato is willing to go in the boat. It would be hard to do that and return to the fight. Good thing Oda took away that option. It is made clear that Yamato is willing to prioritize that.

    This is not a response to anything I said.

    Jimbe said he would die for WB. He didn't die for WB. He didn't join WB's crew because he said he would die for him.

    Just because someone says they would die for you it doesn't mean that character will join that person's crew or be their retainer or be subservient to them
    Jinbe never mentioned joining WB's crew. He did prove through example and words that he would die for him. Him and Yamato aren't comparable. Different priorities and things to weigh against each other. Yamato hasn't made it to the rooftop and was even going to get in the boat. By that, his priorities are clear.



    That's what i've always said. You were the one that kept getting that wrong.


    The official translation says "would" not "want" you kept saying and repeating the wrong word as if you don't know the difference.



    Yes. This is what you kept getting wrong before. Glad we're on the same page finally.
    "Lets get on a ship and move away from the island" - official trans of Yamato's intention to get on the boat

    Not how it works.


    All of this is Yamato doing what Luffy told him to; protect Momo. That's what Luffy told Momo to do.

    When Luffy told Yamato to do it, he wasn't sure if he should.

    The rest is Yamato building trust so that Momo and Shinobu will trust him.
    Yamato's reasoning to protect and risk his life predates Luffy's words.



    Occam's razor, seems more like this is an option you made up that you want to happen more than it being a possibility with support.


    Yes they are because I'm not talking about dying for someone versus joining a crew.

    I'm talking about saying you would die for someone doesnt mean you'll join them in any capacity. Jimbe said he'd die for WB, never joined his crew. Yamato said he'd die for Momo, he's not gonna be his retainer.

    I've said this several times and you still dont get it.
    More Shinobu and Momo interaction recently. He has to get to Luffy and separate from Momo a little more. It's been a while.

    .
    It's not serious because Yamato being Momo's retainer is something you made up.

    Yamato never asked to be Momo's retainer.

    Momo hasn't asked Yamato to be his retainer.

    However, Yamato has stated several times he wants to leave Wano, be free, go on adventures, and he has made it clear that after Kaido is taken down he wants to leave with Luffy.

    That's what's in the story. Not anything about being a retainer.
    Yeah, I haven't seen Yamato ask Luffy to be a SH as well. He asked Ace the same thing as Luffy and nothing came out of that.

    Whether Carrot meets Momo od not has absolutely nothing to do with if Carrot becomes a strawhat or not.

    The choices are not be a strawhat or be Momo's retainer.

    False dichotomy. You can indulge in logical fallacies if you want I won't.


    Yeah, can't wait to see Yamato with Luffy, Sanji, Zoro, Nami, Chopper, Robin, Usopp, Franky, Jimbe, and Brook sailing to the next island
    There are many possibilities. It's just looking less like Carrot can't be retainer. She remembered the Dawn nonsense that Pedro said before blowing himself up. Pedro also said the SH crew would be connected to the Dawn as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobLoblaw View Post
    It's because some people seem to think that the DF theory would help support Yamato potentially joining if he's a tiger (i.e. cat or "neko") That doesn't really fit the "Ni" or "Kyu" (2,9) from the original theory, but that doesn't seem to be stopping people. Besides, Who's Who has a neko neko fruit. I don't see Oda giving a villain and an ally the same base fruit when both of them were introduced in the same arc.
    I understand now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cockycent View Post

    Doubt Jinbe's code has changed. Haven't seen him waver.
    Still doesn't change what I said.

    Yeah, Yamato is willing to go in the boat. It would be hard to do that and return to the fight.
    No it isn't. Its a boat.

    Do you know how boats work?The same way you can use it to go somewhere you can also use it to return from where you came from.

    It's a common means of transportation. Its not hard.

    Its a moot point given the island has been levitated away from the rest of Wano.

    Jinbe never mentioned joining WB's crew.
    Yamato never mentioned being Momo's retainer.

    Him and Yamato aren't comparable.
    Yes they are. I just compared them. Two very comparable situations.

    You failing to comprehend that is something for you to figure put.


    "Lets get on a ship and move away from the island" - official trans of Yamato's intention to get on the boat
    This doesn't address what I said. Did you read what you quoted?

    Yamato's reasoning to protect and risk his life predates Luffy's words.
    So? I'm not talking about that.

    Luffy told Yamato to protect them and he did. Yamato wasn't even sure at first when told to. This is right there in the manga. Read it.

    If he didn't, he'd be with Luffy on the roof top.

    More Shinobu and Momo interaction recently. He has to get to Luffy and separate from Momo a little more. It's been a while.
    This doesn't address that Yamato being a retainer is something you made up as an option. It's not anything from the story.

    Momo hasn't asked for new ones yet. Yamato hasn't asked to be one.


    Yeah, I haven't seen Yamato ask Luffy to be a SH as well
    I specifically said Yamato asked to leave Wano with Luffy on his ship.

    He asked Ace the same thing as Luffy and nothing came out of that.
    Cuz of the explosive cuffs. Why are you replying in a vacuum before considering the context of the story?


    There are many possibilities. It's just looking less like Carrot can't be retainer.
    So far you're the only person I've seen talk about Carrot being a retainer.

    Seems like more nonsense you've made up just to keep replying at this point.

    She remembered the Dawn nonsense that Pedro said before blowing himself up. Pedro also said the SH crew would be connected to the Dawn as well.
    Don't care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zik View Post
    Still doesn't change what I said.


    No it isn't. Its a boat.

    Do you know how boats work?The same way you can use it to go somewhere you can also use it to return from where you came from.

    It's a common means of transportation. Its not hard.

    Its a moot point given the island has been levitated away from the rest of Wano.
    It took a while to reach Onigashima. To go somewhere away and get back would take even longer. Yamato said Momo's safety was priority/


    Yamato never mentioned being Momo's retainer.


    Yes they are. I just compared them. Two very comparable situations.

    You failing to comprehend that is something for you to figure put.
    Yamato has said that Momo is priority and he wants to go to the rooftop. Jinbe didn't have WB's life to weigh against joining the crew because WB wasn't alive

    This doesn't address what I said. Did you read what you quoted?


    So? I'm not talking about that.

    Luffy told Yamato to protect them and he did. Yamato wasn't even sure at first when told to. This is right there in the manga. Read it.

    If he didn't, he'd be with Luffy on the roof top.
    Yamato was certain about his feelings from the execution. That predates anything Luffy told him.


    This doesn't address that Yamato being a retainer is something you made up as an option. It's not anything from the story.

    Momo hasn't asked for new ones yet. Yamato hasn't asked to be one.
    Yamato has made it clear who and what is priority. I take his word for it. He has taken damage, was going to get on the boat and said he would die for Momo. Raizo had to stop Denjiro from saying he was going to die with him. Denjiro was resolved to die there. Raizo felt Oden's wish was more important. 2 retainers with differing opinions on how to serve. Retainers aren't 1 way



    I specifically said Yamato asked to leave the Wano with Luffy on his ship.


    Cuz of the explosive cuffs. Why are you replying in a vacuum before considering the context of the story?



    So far you're the only person I've seen talk about Carrot being a retainer.

    Seems like more nonsense you've made up just to keep replying at this point.
    I weigh all possibilities. Carrot is the Mink tribe character with the most focus after the leader and then she is being told about the Dawn. There's a chance she's meant to help Momo like Inu did for Oden. I can't ignore that just because the SH nakama chance is so strong.

    Don't care.
    Pedro's words are important. The Dawn seems pretty much endgame because that is something Roger left with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zik View Post
    Why isnt King considered for the T-Rex DF?
    Because...he's got the Pteranodon fruit?

    Don't care.
    Oda does, he brought it up twice in 11 chapters.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Shift View Post
    Because...he's got the Pteranodon fruit?
    Forgot about that. Every time I think about him its in his regular form.

    Oda does, he brought it up twice in 11 chapters.
    Still don't care.

    Dude has brought so much random shit I don't even know why he's talking to me about Carrot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cockycent View Post
    It took a while to reach Onigashima. To go somewhere away and get back would take even longer.
    So?

    Just because a means of traveling takes time doesn't mean it is hard.

    Think about what you're saying.

    Onigishama isn't Water 7. Yamato wasn't planning on taking Momo across the world.

    Yamato has said that Momo is priority and he wants to go to the rooftop. Jinbe didn't have WB's life to weigh against joining the crew because WB wasn't alive
    You're inability to reply directly to whats quoted, not bring up irrelevant things, and stay on topic is causing me to repeat myself too much.

    That'll be my official response every time you do from here on out.
    Yamato was certain about his feelings from the execution. That predates anything Luffy told him.
    You're inability to reply directly to whats quoted, not bring up irrelevant things, and stay on topic is causing me to repeat myself too much.

    Yamato has made it clear who and what is priority. I take his word for it. He has taken damage, was going to get on the boat and said he would die for Momo. Raizo had to stop Denjiro from saying he was going to die with him. Denjiro was resolved to die there. Raizo felt Oden's wish was more important. 2 retainers with differing opinions on how to serve. Retainers aren't 1 way
    You still made it up.

    Its not in the story.

    I weigh all possibilities. Carrot is the Mink tribe character with the most focus after the leader and then she is being told about the Dawn. There's a chance she's meant to help Momo like Inu did for Oden. I can't ignore that just because the SH nakama chance is so strong.
    Don't care about Carrot or her fate no matter what you say. Don't really care to discuss Carrot with you either.


    Pedro's words are important. The Dawn seems pretty much endgame because that is something Roger left with him.
    Still don't care.

    Has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

    I suggest you find a Carrot supporter to talk to or post in another thread to talk about the dawn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zik View Post
    So?

    Just because a means of traveling takes time doesn't mean it is hard.

    Think about what you're saying.

    Onigishama isn't Water 7. Yamato wasn't planning on taking Momo across the world.
    Getting to Onigashima wasn't difficult. It took a while for the rebels to get there. Getting on the ship with Momo and coming back from wherever he was left would take a lot of time. Yamato is willing to take the trip.



    You're inability to reply directly to whats quoted, not bring up irrelevant things, and stay on topic is causing me to repeat myself too much.

    That'll be my official response every time you do from here on out.

    You're inability to reply directly to whats quoted, not bring up irrelevant things, and stay on topic is causing me to repeat myself too much.
    Yamato made it clear about his priority. It is Momo's safety. He's taken damage and cited where his reasoning stem from.


    You still made it up.

    Its not in the story.
    Raizo stopped Denjiro from saying he'd die with Oden. It's in the execution segment.


    Don't care about Carrot or her fate no matter what you say. Don't really care to discuss Carrot with you either.



    Still don't care.

    Has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

    I suggest you find a Carrot supporter to talk to or post in another thread to talk about the dawn.
    Carrot has failed to form a relationship with Momo. Yamato is beating her in that case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cockycent View Post
    Getting to Onigashima wasn't difficult. It took a while for the rebels to get there.
    You're inability to reply directly to whats quoted, not bring up irrelevant things, and stay on topic is causing me to repeat myself too much.

    It's a shame you don't have a better grasp to reply effectively.
    Getting on the ship with Momo and coming back from wherever he was left would take a lot of time.
    Last time I'll say it, just because something takes time doesn't mean it is hard.

    You said it was hard it isn't.

    You were wrong.

    Yamato made it clear about his priority. It is Momo's safety. He's taken damage and cited where his reasoning stem from
    You're inability to reply directly to whats quoted, not bring up irrelevant things, and stay on topic is causing me to repeat myself too much

    Raizo stopped Denjiro from saying he'd die with Oden. It's in the execution segment.
    This doesn't address that Yamato being a retainer is something you made up as an option. It's not anything from the story.

    Momo hasn't asked for new ones yet. Yamato hasn't asked to be one.

    Carrot
    Irrelevant.
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    You're inability to reply directly to whats quoted, not bring up irrelevant things, and stay on topic is causing me to repeat myself too much.

    It's a shame you don't have a better grasp to reply effectively.

    Last time I'll say it, just because something takes time doesn't mean it is hard.
    Getting to Onigashima wasn't hard, but it was long. I don't remember it being difficult for the rebels. It took a while, so to go somewhere and come back would take long.

    You said it was hard it isn't.

    You were wrong.
    I don't remember which chapter made it hard. If you could provide it, i'll reconsider. It just took long, so i'm assuming a roundtrip would take longer.


    You're inability to reply directly to whats quoted, not bring up irrelevant things, and stay on topic is causing me to repeat myself too much


    This doesn't address that Yamato being a retainer is something you made up as an option. It's not anything from the story.

    Momo hasn't asked for new ones yet. Yamato hasn't asked to be one.


    Irrelevant.
    Yamato has proven through his words and taking damage that Momo is currently priority. Until Oda separates the 2, he seems like a Momo retainer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cockycent View Post

    Getting to Onigashima wasn't hard, but it was long. I don't remember it being difficult for the rebels.
    So why did you lie?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cockycent View Post
    Yeah, Yamato is willing to go in the boat. It would be hard to do that and return to the fight.
    You knew it wasn't hard and said it anyway?
    I don't remember which chapter made it hard
    So why did you lie and say it was hard?


    Quote Originally Posted by Cockycent View Post
    Yeah, Yamato is willing to go in the boat. It would be hard to do that and return to the fight.
    Doesn't make sense.
    Yamato has proven through his words and taking damage that Momo is currently priority. Until Oda separates the 2, he seems like a Momo retainer.
    This doesn't address that Yamato being a retainer is something you made up as an option. It's not anything from the story.

    Momo hasn't asked for new ones yet. Yamato hasn't asked to be one.
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    So why did you lie?
    You knew it wasn't hard and said it anyway?
    So why did you lie and say it was hard?
    Doesn't make sense.
    I said it would be hard to go and make it back to a fight that is going on, not that the trip is difficult. Hence why I added that i'm glad that Oda took it away. Zoro and Luffy got slapped down multiple times and needed Marco to distract. The fight most likely would be over by the time Yamato got back.

    Getting to Onigashima wasn't difficult. The ships required no special treatment from Franky. Yamato was okay with any ships. The fact that he had that intent means that the trip wouldn't be difficult.


    This doesn't address that Yamato being a retainer is something you made up as an option. It's not anything from the story.

    Momo hasn't asked for new ones yet. Yamato hasn't asked to be one.
    Yamato claimed he would die for Momo. Took hits and said he cried from Shinobu's words. He traveled to Kuri for Momo. He is willing to prolong fighting his pops for Momo. Almost left in a ship for Momo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deicide View Post

    Serious question: what could a mythic white tiger fruit potentially do?
    If you check the Wu Xing symbolism in regards to the Four Symbols, the White Tiger controls metal, so the easiest guess would be a form of metal manipulation. However, Kaido's DF, which is the Azure Dragon (Uo Uo no Mi - Model: Seiryu), is symbolized by the element of Wood. And looking at Kaido's power, his powers are everything BUT wood related as he doesn't appear to control trees or plant life.

    However, Wood is synonymous to the element of Air/Wind, and Kaido has been using that particular element quite a lot in the recent chapters. You could even say that his heat/fire breath attacks is actually just ignited oxygen as in the anime, it shows that Kaido sucks in air before generating intense heat/fire and performing his Bolo Breath attack. Along with that, in the cycle of Wu Xing, Wood is the core element from which fire is created, hence Wood being the same as Air/Wind in asian systems. Lightning generation is also often regarded as a sub/companion power to Air. Hail, as he can generate that in Pirate Warriors 4, also requires air to form. So all of Kaido's elemental powers goes back to one single core element, that being Air.

    For the White Tiger, the element of Metal in asian systems is often synonymous with powers of light and electricity, as metals contain electrons. So Yamato could apply electricity and/or light-based attacks of some sort.

    If you really wanna push it, one could look at the symbolism of Yin/Yang and the myth of the Tiger being the counter opposite to the Dragon in a balanced cycle. In this case, the Tiger represents Yin, femininty and the Moon, whereas the Dragon represents Yang, masculinity and the sun. The latter being represented by the sun, goes greatly in Kaido's favor seeing as the Sun is just a hot ball of gas, and what else is gas....air, the same element that is embodied by Wood.

    For the Tiger, Yamato's fruit, if it ends up happening, and you go with the Yin theming, is possible her abilities could be based around moon aspects or moon light, or having gravity like control over the tides, or being Metal related, have Nemean Lion like durability by having a white metallic like luster to its body. To me, whatever the case, Yamato's fruit, IF its a tiger fruit, will have a core ability that can be used in different ways, most likely to address all the possibilities I just gave out, just like how Kaido uses air/wind as a core to do his attacks.
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    In other works of fiction characters with Byakko abilities usually have some sort of metal and electricity manipulation power.




    Quote Originally Posted by Cockycent View Post

    I said it would be hard to go and make it back to a fight
    No. That wouldn't be hard either.

    Yamato claimed he would die for Momo. Took hits and said he cried from Shinobu's words. He traveled to Kuri for Momo. He is willing to prolong fighting his pops for Momo. Almost left in a ship for Momo.
    This doesn't address that Yamato being a retainer is something you made up as an option. It's not anything from the story.

    Momo hasn't asked for new ones yet. Yamato hasn't asked to be one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zik View Post
    No. That wouldn't be hard either.
    It was difficult for Zoro and Luffy to get up there. Marco is more tired than before. Pero is on his tail. He can't hold off Queen and King as well as toss up Yamato like he did Zoro as easily. It would be difficult.

    This doesn't address that Yamato being a retainer is something you made up as an option. It's not anything from the story.

    Momo hasn't asked for new ones yet. Yamato hasn't asked to be one.
    In the story, Yamato did those things. Took hits, It's similar to what some of the Scabbards were willing to do for Oden. Then pairing him up with Shinobu is in a couple chapters as well.

    Yamato has said that a chance at beating Kaido is tied to being Oden. He said his name (Yamato) when telling Momo that he would die for him.

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