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    Quote Originally Posted by pariston_hill View Post
    Socialist and fascist become slurs for people that don't agree with your ideology. Welcome to the 21th century were philosophy doesn't matter only ad hominem.
    shortly after election day, and i was waiting at an auto shop, someone (unforunately) talked about who he voted for, and that Biden was going to turn the country socialist-communist.

    i think these people's heads would explode if Bernie had the nomination. And probably will if AOC ever rises higher.

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    Giving that AOC now puts the odds of her running for higher office as the same chance of her retiring?

    I think they will just keep on worrying about liberals somehow being socialists rather than liberals who think they are socialists somehow getting into higher positions.


    Edit: Kelly Loeffler has contracted Covid-19. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorobō Neko View Post
    Edit: Kelly Loeffler has contracted Covid-19. lol
    She tested inconclusive actually. First negative, then positive, then inconclsuvie.

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    Which means she has it.

    In any case, it's takes her off the race for a bit. Which is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The D. View Post
    With prejudice​. Get fucking wrecked, nerds.
    I just want to point out that the real nerds are the ones on our side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green_vs_Red
    ........B-But Loeffer and Perdue have been criticizing the way votes were counted in the state in Biden's favor and called for the (Republican) secretary of state to resign.
    Yeah, so? It all doesn't mean shit if it's not a guaranteed presidency for Trump!
    Quote Originally Posted by pariston_hill
    The christmas present we needed but didn't knew we wanted. If this gains traction, January 20th will generate a big schism in the GOP, and the longer Trump stays outta of jail or conviction the greater of chances of him creating his own party.
    Would even having his own party be sustainable if it doesn't have significant propping from the GOP or Republicans, provided they will still be alive after all this is said and done?

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    It's been nearly 3 weeks since the election and my home still hasn't counted any of our absentee ballots.

    New York has such a screwed up system for counting these. They didn't even begin until last monday. They still haven't counted my county, Suffolk. And now they need to pause until next Tuesday after photos circulated of the counters not wearing masks, including a failed ex Republican candidate working as a counter, which raises further questions into what is going on over there.

    After the photos they tested the staff and confirmed a COVID outbreak. All meanwhile my Republican congressman has been claiming full victory despite the votes not even being counted, and while he's openly advocating for them not to call the Presidential election. Fucking hypocrites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaba Kaba Fruit View Post
    Yeah, so? It all doesn't mean shit if it's not a guaranteed presidency for Trump!
    That's the joke the Trump stans are turning on other Trump stans and in process ensuring that there will be a civil war within the party.

    Hopefully this works and Mitch McConnell gets assfucked once more by his and Trump's idiocy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirbycide View Post
    I just want to point out that the real nerds are the ones on our side.
    I don't understand what you mean, but okay.
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    Has anyone else noticed that in Obama's new book he kind of admits to being a bad person?

    He became a pseudo-intellectual in college purely in an attempt to get laid, he judged his own supporters for protesting the Bush Administration, viewed murdering hundreds of thousands of civilians in the middle east as part of an attempt to "save" them, and showed pride in the NSA's rampant destruction of American (and global) privacy rights.

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    Anyone who makes it far enough up the greasy pole to become president is going to have shades of being a dick. It is sort of a given

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaba Kaba Fruit View Post
    Would even having his own party be sustainable if it doesn't have significant propping from the GOP or Republicans, provided they will still be alive after all this is said and done?
    The thing is that the core of his supporters have become more cult like than identification with the GOP, and this radicalization of the far right is not going away with out a crackdown on the bigoted and fascist behavior of them.
    More right wing conservatives are noticing that the GOP and FOX News is not giving them the needed support to vent their ideology, with the populist fascist rhetoric of the Trump cult they mighty have a better place to flourish.
    That's the great scary part, the dent in democracy that Trump victory in 2016 and his 4 years rule caused are still be lingering - unless all his skeletons are shoved out the closet and the cult sees his king is indeed naked - politicians will be able to bank themselves on the Trump legacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoboBlue View Post
    Has anyone else noticed that in Obama's new book he kind of admits to being a bad person?

    He became a pseudo-intellectual in college purely in an attempt to get laid, he judged his own supporters for protesting the Bush Administration, viewed murdering hundreds of thousands of civilians in the middle east as part of an attempt to "save" them, and showed pride in the NSA's rampant destruction of American (and global) privacy rights.
    So he's a flawed human being like the rest of us and made bad calls while on presidency?

    [insert shocked pikachu face]


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    Quote Originally Posted by RoboBlue View Post
    Has anyone else noticed that in Obama's new book he kind of admits to being a bad person?

    He became a pseudo-intellectual in college purely in an attempt to get laid, he judged his own supporters for protesting the Bush Administration, viewed murdering hundreds of thousands of civilians in the middle east as part of an attempt to "save" them, and showed pride in the NSA's rampant destruction of American (and global) privacy rights.
    Obama did some good things, but is a pretty overrated president honestly. If he wasn't the first black president, and preceeded by arguably the worst president in modern history (don't worry dubya, trumpy takes that spot from you) he would be more widely seen as a "meh" president. Which he was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MetaMario View Post
    shortly after election day, and i was waiting at an auto shop, someone (unforunately) talked about who he voted for, and that Biden was going to turn the country socialist-communist.

    i think these people's heads would explode if Bernie had the nomination. And probably will if AOC ever rises higher.
    In "As I Please" #17 Orwell was already calling that fascist was becoming an umbrella term to call someone who didn't shared your political-ideological view. Years later McArthur and the Red Scare would do the same to socialism.


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    Trump splitting the republican party in half would be the best possible outcome for the country. ESPECIALLY in the Georgia runoff for senate. Allow a full and proper blue sweep in two years.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kaba Kaba Fruit View Post
    Yeah, so? It all doesn't mean shit if it's not a guaranteed presidency for Trump!
    Would even having his own party be sustainable if it doesn't have significant propping from the GOP or Republicans, provided they will still be alive after all this is said and done?
    On his own he can probably garner Perot numbers. Not enough to win any state, but enough to wreck the republican and give the dem a 370 vote electoral college.

    Its WHY the party has been so willing to support him and work in lock step with him... but the downballot races actually did better than his, so. (I don't understand how he got THAT many votes but I think maybe some folks were voting for the senate and then grudgingly voted for him.)


    Quote Originally Posted by Demon Rin View Post
    Now time for appeals...

    One step closer to SCOTUS and the upending of American democracy...
    Rin. Stop it.

    We all understand. We've all been gaslit for four years and we've all been terrified of Trump somehow weaseling another win or overturning some norm and you especially have lots to lose. We understand why you're scared.

    But stop taking every single news article that says "Trump has been defeated in another court and now has even less possibilities" and then spinning it to "Oh no, now he's REALLY going win"..


    Its OVER. There is nothing else he can do. He's posturing, he's desperate to stay out jail, Guiliani is pretending to work so he can get paid 20K a day, and Trump probably will have to be dragged out, but there is nothing he can do to change the election. The margins are too big and there just isn't THAT much corruption once you get past his immediate cabinet. (If it was another 4 years from now and he'd had that much more time to corrupt things, maybe.)

    He is currently 1-34 in court cases, and that 1 was mostly a technicality for a couple hours and then immediately overturned. This is not going to go to the Supreme court, and if it somehow did, it'd be thrown out 9-0 in a couple hours without debate..

    This most recent one was dismissed WITH PREJUDICE. That means there’s zero chance of an appeal and no chance to take it to the Supreme Court or any other court. You can’t cure a bad case on appeal. SCOTUS won’t even hear it. They look at whether the lower courts erred, they’re not a tribunal where you just need to somehow get an invitation and then you can rig it.


    He's a corrupt clown that did a lot of damage, and will still do more damage over the next two months, but he doesn't have any magic powers to turn the election or keep his job. They had some schemes, but people voted in overwhelming historic numbers, with a paper trail, so they didn't work. He doesn't have the support to pull off a coup, no matter how many yes men he puts in his immediate vicinity.

    Remember, these are guys that scheduled a press conference at the Four Seasons Lawnscaping and had their hair dye run while showing a judge a complete lack of anything.


    For your own mental health, stop taking every single positive piece of news, and twisting it around to a portent of doom. Some news sites and republicans are still generating their numbers by saying things, or saying he'lll somehow control the military, or gets dozens of electors to switch, but they aren't reality. It's irresponsible of them to report the idea that there might be a coup, but it is not legitimate news to worry over.

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    Assuming Trump is a runnable state in 2024.....yeah, him pulling a perot would be an ez win for Dems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The D. View Post
    Obama did some good things, but is a pretty overrated president honestly. If he wasn't the first black president, and preceeded by arguably the worst president in modern history (don't worry dubya, trumpy takes that spot from you) he would be more widely seen as a "meh" president. Which he was.
    Well, Obama faced a congress willing to block anything he proposed for the last 6 years of his administration, so he had his hands tied in many issues, really, kinda impossible to be a full fledged president like that. Surprisingly, he still did a lot of things where he could, some good, some bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoboBlue View Post
    Has anyone else noticed that in Obama's new book he kind of admits to being a bad person?

    He became a pseudo-intellectual in college purely in an attempt to get laid, he judged his own supporters for protesting the Bush Administration, viewed murdering hundreds of thousands of civilians in the middle east as part of an attempt to "save" them, and showed pride in the NSA's rampant destruction of American (and global) privacy rights.
    Only the last two things I could see as bad, although it's a lot more complicated than people want to admit.

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    I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

    I just want this to be over. Right after that Pennsylvania case got thrown out, they did a press release in which they say exactly what I was afraid of is the goal.

    Most people I see online are treating this like posturing. Like they have zero chance. But there's a part of my brain that won't stop saying "ALL they need to do is get ONE of these up to SCOTUS and then their new stooge can hand him the election."

    I have to keep telling myself its not going to happen. Too many who should know what they're talking about are saying that won't happen. There are too many votes in too many states they can't throw out enough or install enough faithless electors to change anything.

    But the fact that they are relentlessly trying THIS HARD to do this is just exhausting. like, at what point do they give up and realize they've lost? Or do they actually have an extremely slim but theoretically plausible path to victory?

    It's also not helping that the vast majority of congressional Republicans are either silent or are actively pushing his dangerous bullshit.

    Plus, his constantly angry base is continuously armed and riled up and this continued carrying on of this farce only makes that situation worse.

    It's all just really scary. It feels like they're either going to eventually succeed and get something up to SCOTUS and still manage to steal the election somehow or the alternative which is Biden wins, but this whole thing has still irreparably damaged our democracy and it's depressing.

    I'm sorry everyone. I don't mean to be a drag on things. I'll stop posting my worst fears and try my best to just focus on the most likely direction of things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theackwardstation View Post
    Well, Obama faced a congress willing to block anything he proposed for the last 6 years of his administration, so he had his hands tied in many issues, really, kinda impossible to be a full fledged president like that.
    While true he also had the problem of trying to reach across the aisle even while being cognitively aware of what Republicans were all about and either getting his hand slapped away (Taking the public option out of the ACA) or getting his hand shook just to then get the Luca Brasi treatment (getting blamed for the Sequestration cuts).

    And never ever directly calling out Boehner,McConnell,Ryan or the rest of the GOP over for their bullshit.
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    I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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    In the spirit of trying to be more light hearted about all this: Here's a twitter thread that accurately represents where my headspace probably is.

    It's like we're collectively the Final Girl in an 80s slasher movie and the killer has popped back up after he was supposed to be dead so many times that I just keep expecting it to happen any moment lol

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