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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkestsith6 View Post
    Something seems eerily off with how much Toki is smiling throughout all this. I really hope Oda drops some surprise about why she has that demeanor (does she know something about the future?). Just does not seem like the reaction I would expect a concerned parent/wife to have.
    It's the typical reaction of a good One Piece mother, at least how Oda seems to see it. Smile through the tough times, don't needlessly burden the children with reality. 9 out of 10 mothers behave exactly like Toki.


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    I'm suprised the house ninja stayed loyal so long tbh.

    They all seemed like complete turncoats before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsword View Post
    The battle was hyped a lot last week and even referred to as "Hour of legends" and yet it was very underwhelming.

    Kaidou appeared static due to his lack of involvement throughout the arc so far. The clash between Oden and Kaidou was 1 hit and Oden made short work of Kaidou, its only thanks to trickery Kaidou won, which is underwhelming for the big villain that his fight vs luffy will be the climax of a saga that spanned over 300 chapters.

    Really didn't like this chapter at all.
    I dont want to think this is the "hour of legends" but at the same time idk what else it could be

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    Quote Originally Posted by lello4ever View Post
    do you think the traitor can be denjiro? or even Toki?
    What's for sure is that we're slowly running out of viable traitor candidates. Shinobu could still be it, but both her behaviour in battle and motivations for joining Oden seem genuine. Kiku is still suspicious, but what would be her motive ? Denjiro is the missing link to something, but seeing how he took part in the battle and all I find it increasingly harder for him to shoulder the blame. Most other people whom we've seen in both eras can not have possibly known enough in the present to leak information to both Jack and Orochi. I'm not sure where to look next.

    The spy of the past who informed Kaido of Oden's move is likely the old hag though: seeing how she can even copy Momonosuke, she must have been at Kokzuki castle not too long ago. But, since she isn't part of the picture anymore in the present, someone else leaked information to Orochi.
    Could still be a last-minute reveal of some new character, but that would fall quite flat on me.
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    Speaking of Shinobu, how old is she supposed to be? It looks like she aged like 50 years in 20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sengokusgoat View Post
    Speaking of Shinobu, how old is she supposed to be? It looks like she aged like 50 years in 20.
    Well Kinemon would've been like 56 years old if he hadn't time jumped. And i seem to recall that she was in some shape or form Kinemons protege before that. So she should be like 40-46 i suppose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sengokusgoat View Post
    Speaking of Shinobu, how old is she supposed to be? It looks like she aged like 50 years in 20.
    Maybe her Mature Mature fruit affected her body, similiar to Alvida's.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sengokusgoat View Post
    Speaking of Shinobu, how old is she supposed to be? It looks like she aged like 50 years in 20.
    Remember the OP aging law...



    so, Shinobi didn't have the great time.


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    Nami looks way too good at 60.



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    Loved some of the details in this chapter, like Hiyori kicking Momo in the face. That was a scene that had to be shown before the flashback.

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    Man

    I'd love to see Zoro slice up Kaido like that

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    Finally getting to read.

    Minatomo just finished the mansion before Kaido came out to fight. Oda is either just covering everything or trying to show me something. I don't know how Kinemon got to know who built it. Maybe it's nothing that I should question, but I will keep it in the back of my head. It can just be that Minatomo is the best or when they come from the future, that info is provided by some allies.

    Tho the deal hasn't been fully explained, but this convo confirms that Oden chose the non violent route and was naive enough to think his opponents would hold up their end.

    Young Shinobu is dressed like the chick from the Mimawarigumi. It just may be a ninja/police thing

    For 3 chapters, i've watched people say "next chapter is the last of the fb". I don't get why some thought that we could spend so much time on the Roger and WB adventures, then speed blitz through the fall of Oden in Wano. I think there might be 2 more chapters at most to close this fb. Next chapter, the Scabbards are saved by Oden, the chapter after is the race to the castle for Toki, Hiyori and Momo.

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    Much better chapter than the spoilers and my speed-skim through the scans made it out to be, but I'm still pretty mixed on the chapter. Storywise I thought it was fine/acceptable, but the choreography was underwhelming. Too many disconnected panels of the Akazaya fighting random henchmen. This should have been 2 chapters long, I think.

    I'm okay with Kaidou resorting to foul play for now, but he needs to make it a regular part of his character. Make sure he keeps being a cheat during the present day conflict as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBits View Post
    Much better chapter than the spoilers and my speed-skim through the scans made it out to be, but I'm still pretty mixed on the chapter. Storywise I thought it was fine/acceptable, but the choreography was underwhelming. Too many disconnected panels of the Akazaya fighting random henchmen. This should have been 2 chapters long, I think.

    I'm okay with Kaidou resorting to foul play for now, but he needs to make it a regular part of his character. Make sure he keeps being a cheat during the present day conflict as well.
    Maybe Jack and Queen using viruses and poison gas plays into that cheating. Maybe their whole crew use underhanded means and it's all Kaidou approved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RomanceDawn View Post
    Maybe Jack and Queen using viruses and poison gas plays into that cheating. Maybe their whole crew use underhanded means and it's all Kaidou approved.
    I was thinking the same thing. I guess I was just saying that if Kaidou being a cheat is going to be a thing, then he should be the biggest cheat of all his crew.
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    So is the dragon Kaidou's true form, I wonder, with the big angry giant his actual Fruit power.

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    Man, looking at some of the replies to this one in the spoiler threads was a trip. Do some people think being a fan of a character is meant to be the same as barracking for a sports team? Because that's what it feels like. All that matters is your team's win, and if they're looking bad or something's going wrong, the other team is cheating or the ref made a bad call, and heaven forbid you ever acknowledge the rival team made a good play. Honestly that kinda thing often seems toxic enough in the context of sports, let alone when you try to apply it to a narrative which by design has to give different characters highs and lows and can't be so all or nothing. I'm not one to tell other people the right or wrong ways to enjoy their media, but it really doesn't sound like a lot of you guys are having fun.

    But anyway, things this week moved a lot faster than I expected them to. I was predicting a bit of introspection during the march to battle, but like Oden himself, I was taken off-guard by Kaido's unexpected appearance. Kaido mentions a spy in Oden's midst, and we're really running out of viable traitor candidates now. The stuff with Shinobi later on goes a long way to take her out of the running, so I'm leaning pretty hard towards Kanjuro for the moment. The showdown is marvelously framed, particularly the hills of minions and Kaido himself coiled around a mountain, and the middle row of page five, where Oden's group on the hilltop are encircled by the coils of Kaido's body.

    Kaido talks about why things are happening the way they are. We learn that he was worried about the state of affairs five years ago. I would have liked if he'd mentioned how he felt when Oden stopped in and left again for the Poneglyph, as it feels like a significant moment to me, but we do still get emphasis on the idea that the sooner Oden had done this the better it would have gone. The big dragon laments Oden not living up to his reputation, but to be honest it's amazing that any reputation for aman like that could be enduring. Oden's been pretty consistent in not caring if he looks foolish or weak or villainous to others as long as he gets to help people, and that IDGAF attitude has been part of what charmed people to him. I wonder what he's actually heard about Oden, and whether that info came through Orochi, the people of Wano, or things he heard about Oden's career in piracy.

    I don't know if this is a quirk in the translation or not, but it doesn't feel right that he says "Newgate and Roger were like that too." Past tense is alright for Roger, but Newgate should still be a clear present threat to Kaido. Is he just confident? Have they not really clashed yet?

    Then we get a scene of epic battle. It's a shame Pirate Warriors 4 definitely isn't getting this far, because it feels like a perfect scene for that kind of game. The use of screentones in the Scabbard closeups are odd.During the battle it's just Kanjuro and Shura shaded in. At the end of the chapter it's Ashura, Kawamatsu, Dogstorm and Catviper. I don't think there's any concrete pattern you could read into either group (or either set of remainders).

    There's a brief and perhaps oddly placed cutaway to Yasui and Oden's family. Toki is oddly calm, but I guess living for 800 years would give you a bit of serenity like that, while Hyori and Momo clearly haven't been made aware of how serious the situation is. What a rude awakening they're in for. Considering how recent this is for them and how much whiplash it must have caused, Momo's behaviour up to this point makes a lot more sense.

    Back to the battle. Good to get some background for Shinobu and why she's so dedicated but not a Scabbard, but there's nothing super remarkable about what we learn of her. Does make it very unlikely she's the traitor though, as mentioned.

    The glimpses of the fight we see make me desperately want more, but I'm not going to say it's a fault in the chapter that we don't get it because it's going to happen again with higher stakes and characters I care more about just a few chapters in the future. The hoards of enemies combined with a terrifying dragon Kaido throwing fire down from the sky makes for an incredibly intimidating enemy. Kaido's dragon form always seems to come with a storm. It's said that these eastern style dragons have weather powers and fly by climbing along the clouds. Bodes kinda poorly for Sulong forms in the present day battle of Onigashima, doesn't it?

    Kaido takes his wound in an absolutely gorgeous spread page, then Oden goes down fast and hard from a blow to the back of the head after being distracted by the Clone Clone Fruit. Well, Kaido and Orochi did go out of their way to prove Oden would let go of a reckless attack to protect his family. Wonder how we're going to go from here to the death of the Clone hag though. Also, is that the traitor stabbing Ashura in the back? What a surprisingly blatant move to pull, especially after Oden had fallen and the battle was already won.

    Oden's capture doesn't seem to have inspired the kind of love for him that things happening in the present have implied. There's one last big moment to come in this story, somehow involving his execution and the Scabbards' mad dash to get to Toki and the kids before Kaido and Orochi do. Not sure what it could be considering how firmly against Oden the public sentiment is at the moment, but I'm always interested to find out.

    The wait for execution in the Flower Capital prison is a mirror of Yasuie and the rounded up samurai in act 2. It feels weird that Wano has been driven by all these little snippets from and reflections of the past, but we're only now getting the context to make them all work. It feels like an arc built for the reread, given what a puzzle its present and past have become. Maybe it's meant to reflect the time travel aspect, maybe it's just Oda experimenting with structure. The binge reread when all is said and done and everyone knows what's going on is going to elevate the story a lot, I think, especially for people who aren't really vibing the structure of the week to week version.

    Going to be a long two weeks waiting on the next part. I'm predicting a swift end to the flashback after the next one. A couple of chapters at most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsword View Post
    The battle was hyped a lot last week and even referred to as "Hour of legends" and yet it was very underwhelming.

    Kaidou appeared static due to his lack of involvement throughout the arc so far. The clash between Oden and Kaidou was 1 hit and Oden made short work of Kaidou, its only thanks to trickery Kaidou won, which is underwhelming for the big villain that his fight vs luffy will be the climax of a saga that spanned over 300 chapters.

    Really didn't like this chapter at all.
    Actually...

    Hour of Legends was not this... It is quite clear the citizens of Wano are giving two rats about this entire thing, or rather are cold about it... So The Hour of Legends definitely needs to be something that is coming.

    You have to realize that 10 of the samurai were sentenced to die and bar one more or less it is clear that the others have not...

    So stay tunned


    Also traitor? Is it Toki...? Or someone else. She is awfully calm in all the pannels
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain M View Post
    Also, is that the traitor stabbing Ashura in the back? What a surprisingly blatant move to pull, especially after Oden had fallen and the battle was already won.
    I think it's supposed to have happen in the middle of the big brawl using the confusion instead of move made after Oden was down.

    I wonder if the boiling will help us narrow down the traitor like the process or order of the boiling since Kaido probably isn't killing him/her.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain M View Post
    Also, is that the traitor stabbing Ashura in the back? What a surprisingly blatant move to pull, especially after Oden had fallen and the battle was already won.
    I initially read it as him losing his focus when Oden goes down, only to be caught off-guard by his opponent. But now you mention it, that panel does have a back-stabbing flavor.
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