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    I pick number three!
    That's almost always a solid plan, and I'm willing to follow it.
    Last night I visited my mum and my dad.

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    Referring to No Swords' plan, in case it wasn't clear.

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    Might as well pick lucky number 7.

    Swordy, are you talking about hypo cop or something else? Hypo cop requires the assumption that everyone is "hypothetically" claiming cop and that they provide a report each day. This is to mask the true cop, who can start freely clearing people without having to claim, such that if they die we can see their report history. I think typically all hypo reports are townie because, especially in a small game like this, most cops would immediately come forward upon a guilty report.

    Maybe I'm super rusty but I'm not quite sure what the point is of having everyone list only who they visited, and not just that but give two names, one being fake. Sounds awfully confusing.

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    I'll be Number 5 because I was number 5 on the sign up list and I was too late to pick a large number 9 or a six with extra dip


    I also don't really understand No Swords' plan. What happens if some (or the majority) of us are boring townies who don't get to visit anyone? And for those who have something to claim, won't making one true and one false claim make things murkier by making everyone more suspicious?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SomebodyUDon'tKnow View Post
    Last night I visited my mum and my dad.
    Visiting parents is a thing? I wonder what other options there are. I'm confused for now, but if people decide to go by No Swords' idea, this may make more sense.

    My question is, are you saying you visited your mom or your dad (one truth one lie) or that you visited them both?


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    Lol one never wants to answer for other players but it's day 1, SUDK is surely just being cute.

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    I'll be Number 1, I am always number 1!!

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    I'll be Number 5 because I was number 5 on the sign up list and I was too late to pick a large number 9 or a six with extra dip


    I also don't really understand No Swords' plan. What happens if some (or the majority) of us are boring townies who don't get to visit anyone? And for those who have something to claim, won't making one true and one false claim make things murkier by making everyone more suspicious?

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    Visiting parents is a thing? I wonder what other options there are. I'm confused for now, but if people decide to go by No Swords' idea, this may make more sense.

    My question is, are you saying you visited your mom or your dad (one truth one lie) or that you visited them both?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foolio View Post
    Swordy, are you talking about hypo cop or something else? Hypo cop requires the assumption that everyone is "hypothetically" claiming cop and that they provide a report each day. This is to mask the true cop, who can start freely clearing people without having to claim, such that if they die we can see their report history. I think typically all hypo reports are townie because, especially in a small game like this, most cops would immediately come forward upon a guilty report.

    Maybe I'm super rusty but I'm not quite sure what the point is of having everyone list only who they visited, and not just that but give two names, one being fake. Sounds awfully confusing.

    I thought it could work where anyone with a special power could just mention who they "visited" during the night, so even if we lose a doctor or a jailer we can get some clues after they're gone. Townies without such powers could say random people to throw off the mafia. Though I'm admittedly not as experienced as most players here, so feel free to criticize if you think there are reasons why it wouldn't help us.


    Quote Originally Posted by SkullJoke View Post
    I also don't really understand No Swords' plan. What happens if some (or the majority) of us are boring townies who don't get to visit anyone? And for those who have something to claim, won't making one true and one false claim make things murkier by making everyone more suspicious?

    My thinking for the two people thing was that if we each report on one person, who we supposedly used our power on, then the mafia could figure out if someone's a doctor if they failed to kill the person someone else said they visited, or figure out the jailer if they got jailed by a person who said they visited them. Also, it's how we did it the last game I was in. Though on second though, if most of us are giving fake reports anyway, that could make things murky enough for the mafia not to know who was truly responsible for what, so one report per person might be better and less confusing for sorting things out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by No swords style best style View Post
    I thought it could work where anyone with a special power could just mention who they "visited" during the night, so even if we lose a doctor or a jailer we can get some clues after they're gone. Townies without such powers could say random people to throw off the mafia. Though I'm admittedly not as experienced as most players here, so feel free to criticize if you think there are reasons why it wouldn't help us.





    My thinking for the two people thing was that if we each report on one person, who we supposedly used our power on, then the mafia could figure out if someone's a doctor if they failed to kill the person someone else said they visited, or figure out the jailer if they got jailed by a person who said they visited them. Also, it's how we did it the last game I was in. Though on second though, if most of us are giving fake reports anyway, that could make things murky enough for the mafia not to know who was truly responsible for what, so one report per person might be better and less confusing for sorting things out.
    I either wasn't a part of or don't remember this last game, but I'm struggling to find a positive outcome here, unless we specifically do hypo-cop (which still carries risks but has a very high potential benefit). Of all the potential roles, only a small portion grant useful information just from knowing who was visited. Doctor is one, as you pointed out. But overall, it's just going to be chaos, and even when people start flipping it's going to be hard to put together useful info very quickly (barring some really exceptional luck). I'd go so far as to say this would help the scum more than anyone, as they're more likely to be able to put together informed guesses and possibly narrow in on any power roles (even moreso with single reports vs double). Meanwhile the town will be distracted trying to piece together a mess of visit reports instead of truly scum hunting.

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    I agree that two reports per person, especially if there are a lot of powerless townies, sounds like it would create a lot of misinformation to sift through. And I'm intrigued by the potential benefits and risks of the hypo-cop scenario. Since I'm pretty new to the game, can you explain to me how you see them, Foolio?

    I'll choose number nine, because that corresponds to my number in the list of names. Based on Shuhan's original post, I'm guessing that at least one of us is going to have our vests tested each day. Picking numbers here might effect whose vest gets tested...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirbycide View Post
    I'll choose number nine, because that corresponds to my number in the list of names. Based on Shuhan's original post, I'm guessing that at least one of us is going to have our vests tested each day. Picking numbers here might effect whose vest gets tested...
    9 has been taken, 10 and 4 are left.

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    Four, then!

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    With that, 10 goes to Sky.

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    I am also inclined to think that it is ill advised to share any info regarding visitation. I mean I kind of understand the allure of leaving breadcrumbs for town to sift through down the line, but at this point I am not sure if that's a well placed strategy considering what we still don't know about the setup. What are we dealing with here? Is it a regular mafia? If so, how many are there? Why are we wearing vests? Who is fanning the hammer and why? Why did we just choose random numbers, and why did just one of us chose 7? Shouldn't we be able to choose the same number twice? It seems to me from the conversation that it's possible that some of us may have roles, while others don't. The point I am trying to make is that there is so much that we don't know and it is imperative that any strategy comes from an informed perspective that we just don't have.

    On the other hand, I find it curious that I felt a definite townie vibe from at least two individuals here this early in the game. You would have to excuse me if I refrain from speaking any further on the matter but I think as the game matures, we will see more indications that would help us navigate this setup.

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    With that, 10 goes to Sky.
    Ninja'd. So I guess we had to pick different numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foolio View Post
    I either wasn't a part of or don't remember this last game, but I'm struggling to find a positive outcome here, unless we specifically do hypo-cop (which still carries risks but has a very high potential benefit). Of all the potential roles, only a small portion grant useful information just from knowing who was visited. Doctor is one, as you pointed out. But overall, it's just going to be chaos, and even when people start flipping it's going to be hard to put together useful info very quickly (barring some really exceptional luck). I'd go so far as to say this would help the scum more than anyone, as they're more likely to be able to put together informed guesses and possibly narrow in on any power roles (even moreso with single reports vs double). Meanwhile the town will be distracted trying to piece together a mess of visit reports instead of truly scum hunting.
    Basically this. I think a hypo-X strategy would add needless confusion when we don't even know if there is a cop or something similar.

    We could all decide to play hypo-doctor once nobody dies during the night. But even then 1) we don't know yet how nights operate 2) the doctor would basically out themselves especially because I don't remember a single time we've ever successfully pulled of this strategy with everybody knowing what they're supposed to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirbycide View Post
    I agree that two reports per person, especially if there are a lot of powerless townies, sounds like it would create a lot of misinformation to sift through. And I'm intrigued by the potential benefits and risks of the hypo-cop scenario. Since I'm pretty new to the game, can you explain to me how you see them, Foolio?
    Benefit is if the cop dies (assuming there is one), you have their investigation history confirmed. This is very good for the town, although there could always be complications such as a godfather role (a mafioso who shows up innocent to cops). Main downside is the mafia could start weeding out false claims (like, anyone who claims they got an innocent report on a guilty player) and have better odds of finding and killing the true cop... again, assuming one exists. My personal universal downside is people getting caught up trying to analyze all these theoretical results and waiting for some kind of conclusive evidence instead of scum hunting.

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    I am also inclined to think that it is ill advised to share any info regarding visitation. I mean I kind of understand the allure of leaving breadcrumbs for town to sift through down the line, but at this point I am not sure if that's a well placed strategy considering what we still don't know about the setup. What are we dealing with here? Is it a regular mafia? If so, how many are there? Why are we wearing vests? Who is fanning the hammer and why? Why did we just choose random numbers, and why did just one of us chose 7? Shouldn't we be able to choose the same number twice? It seems to me from the conversation that it's possible that some of us may have roles, while others don't. The point I am trying to make is that there is so much that we don't know and it is imperative that any strategy comes from an informed perspective that we just don't have.

    On the other hand, I find it curious that I felt a definite townie vibe from at least two individuals here this early in the game. You would have to excuse me if I refrain from speaking any further on the matter but I think as the game matures, we will see more indications that would help us navigate this setup.
    I am not counting on the details of the setup suddenly becoming clear. This is not looking like an open setup so who knows how many scum there are or what the roles look like. And everyone probably knows how much I hate twiddling my thumbs. So to that end:

    Vote Lynch: Sky

    Will always be a proponent of getting things rolling from day one. Inactivity is an easy early vote.

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    Hypo-whatever seems less than ideal right now. We have no idea of the setup but it seems reasonable to guess that everyone's starting with limited powers and the vests/numbers might grant additional effects. Inactivity kills, but there are too many variables right now to do more than an initial check in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Foolio View Post
    I am not counting on the details of the setup suddenly becoming clear. This is not looking like an open setup so who knows how many scum there are or what the roles look like. And everyone probably knows how much I hate twiddling my thumbs. So to that end:

    Vote Lynch: Sky

    Will always be a proponent of getting things rolling from day one. Inactivity is an easy early vote.
    I prefer to give a 24-hour grace period before voting anyone for inactivity, but I'll back this bus if Sky doesn't show before long.

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    #10 sounds good to me. Sorry I was a little late in arriving, I hadn't realized the official game start had happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by No swords style best style View Post
    I'll take number 2 to go.

    And to establish something for the town early on, how about we each say who we visited (used powers on) each night and report who that was the next day? And to keep things from getting too obvious about roles, we could each say two people we visited, with either the first or second being the true one for each report. It was helpful in the last game and would leave a paper trail if a powerful townie bit the dust, and even though most people and those lying mafiosos would be making it up, it'd still be an extra resource.
    I also don't agree with this. The idea that a majority of people will likely be making up any sort of visiting seems to be counterintuitive. While we might be able to determine who is making it up, that doesn't determine whether they are townie or a mafia member.

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    Vote Lynch: Sky

    Will always be a proponent of getting things rolling from day one. Inactivity is an easy early vote.
    That's a legitimate stance, but I wholeheartedly disagree on lynching on the first day, especially with such a small game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SomebodyUDon'tKnow View Post
    I pick number three!
    That's almost always a solid plan, and I'm willing to follow it.
    Last night I visited my mum and my dad.

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    Referring to No Swords' plan, in case it wasn't clear.
    Can you clarify how cute you are if you were being cute with this post? What's your stance on Swords' proposal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foolio View Post
    Lol one never wants to answer for other players but it's day 1, SUDK is surely just being cute.


    Ah, how silly of me.

    Funny enough, I had read it that way first but the fact that he updated his post to add "Referring to No Swords' plan, in case it wasn't clear." threw me for a loop.

    As for the Sky situation, it's a little late to address meaningfully, but I'll share my stance. I'd have been lenient until partly though the second 24 hrs (maybe 6 or so hours in, no longer than 12 - that, I think, we couldn't risk) because it's the first day (I also almost didn't realize we were starting right away) and we have 48 hours. Luckily, she posted so we don't have to worry, but I agree, from here on out, we can't tolerate inactivity, it'll be the death of the town


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    Quote Originally Posted by Foolio View Post
    I either wasn't a part of or don't remember this last game,
    It was the one where somebody thought it would be fun to play mafia without any actual mafia. I did actually have fun though


    Though after reading everyone's thoughts I can see I may have jumped the gun with trying to set up a reporting system, but I still think at least the hypo-cop set up would be beneficial once we have more information.

    And I'll wait to hear more from Sky (and also Kitsune) before deciding if I'm going to lynch anyone.

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    With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch:

    Sky (1)= Foolio

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