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    Quote Originally Posted by Sephi View Post
    and yet people want to get on my case for saying very little happened this chapter and thus I call it "filler"...sigh....
    Because you don't seem to know what that word means lol, it's perfectly fine if you didn't care for the chapter.

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    So no more chapters this month, and maybe two chapters in february.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knaxern View Post
    So no more chapters this month, and maybe two chapters in february.
    There's one next week

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knaxern View Post
    So no more chapters this month, and maybe two chapters in february.
    Check out this schedule thread: One Piece Schedules

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sephi View Post
    and yet people want to get on my case for saying very little happened this chapter and thus I call it "filler"...sigh....
    Tiny bits of info =/= Filler;

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    The whole CP0 fuss is probably the biggest reveal this chapter has in terms of effect on the later story. The World Government (more likely) the Marines have now a not-so-low-chance of interfering in this arc.

    Wano and Reverie seem to be geographically and symbolically much apart (Wano is isolated with few foreigners, while literally almost the whole world is meeting at the Reverie), but they will influence events in one another significantly.


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    Once luffy beats kaidou and he will have wano under him( with momo and co leading it) he will have control over seastone country. Will WG try to reach him to negotiate like they are doing now with shogun?

    Law team and drake team are in flower capital. Since the samurai with scythe is there too, he could show up to help law and co and make it 3vs3 battle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaido King of the Beasts View Post
    He'd probably say "Go ask Momo"

    But would Momo want to supply Luffy's enemies with seastone and maybe the craftsmen that can make small seastone stuff?
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    Quote Originally Posted by uniaka ikuzakas View Post
    Once luffy beats kaidou and he will have wano under him( with momo and co leading it) he will have control over seastone country. Will WG try to reach him to negotiate like they are doing now with shogun?
    He'd probably say "Go ask Momo"

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    Check out this schedule thread: One Piece Schedules
    Thanks!
    Good to have that info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Black Hole View Post
    The whole CP0 fuss is probably the biggest reveal this chapter has in terms of effect on the later story. The World Government (more likely) the Marines have now a not-so-low-chance of interfering in this arc.

    Wano and Reverie seem to be geographically and symbolically much apart (Wano is isolated with few foreigners, while literally almost the whole world is meeting at the Reverie), but they will influence events in one another significantly.
    Hard to believe they didn't send anyone with enforcer-level skill like Lucchi or something to be in bodyguard capacity. I know Lucchi's at Reverie but there's a whole team of former CP9 thugs they could use. Even if they were negotiating with the Shogun, the fact that the country is occupied by Kaido who obviously gets drunk frequently and can shoot castle-exploding beams would make it pretty important for guys who, if they're no more capable than Spandam, ought to have a strong elite escort with them. Even if they're trying to be discrete, having one or two more guys in masks ain't gonna matter much. The incompetence of Marine agents never ceases to baffle me.

    But this timing seems to work out quite nicely. I had actually remarked on this early in Wano, given that we got a glimpse of the Revolutionaries at Reverie right before. Given all the chaos that's bound to happen there, the Marines will already have their hands full, so if they're going to interfere in Wano at all, it'll likely be very small scale and probably nowhere near their top tier; although, given Fujitora's status as a persona non grata, maybe his ship will be the one that arrives there since they don't want him at any Marine bases after his actions in Dressrosa. It would be nice to actually see him going all-out so we know where he stacks up compared to the other admirals.

    What I'd like to see is, regardless of how things turn out in the end, yet another nation thumbing their noses at the Marines and casting their allegiance to the Straw Hats. So far Zou and Wano would be the best nations to have fighting for them in the next big conflict, even more so than Amazon Lily as a distant 3rd. Just something to really hit Fujitora in his heart of hearts and get him to finally say, you know what, screw this, they're right, the Marines ain't gonna do the right thing and I don't belong in an organization that bad. So him, Smoker, Coby, and whatever portion of the Marines decide that justice isn't just whatever's being fed to them, become a rebel outfit and decide that in the end, they take the side of the Straw Hats and Revolutionaries and become the new heads of the Marines when the dust settles.

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    Lucci probably is less capable than the main three CP0 dudes.

    And by probably i mean definitely

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfwood View Post
    Lucci probably is less capable than the main three CP0 dudes.

    And by probably i mean definitely
    Didn't that special pass for movie Gold reveal that Lucci is the commander in chief of CP0?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfwood View Post
    Lucci probably is less capable than the main three CP0 dudes.

    And by probably i mean definitely
    How do you figure? He doesn't strike me as the sort who'd either let himself get shot in the head (at least not by surprise) or if he did, he'd intimidate whoever shot him by showing that it didn't hurt or even rattle him one iota. These guys got all shaken up to hell both by the request for Vegapunk and Orochi's explosive reaction to their refusal. The rest of these CP0 head honchos seem analogous to CP9's Spandam while Lucchi and that one chick from the Big Mom wedding arc seem like the actual CP9 agents in terms of prowess. I could be wrong but they give no indication that they're anything special. We obviously have precedence where a team leader is pathetic compared to their underlings with CP9 so it stands to reason CP0 would operate similarly. The guys with the masks appear pathetic while the Big Mom event infiltrator and Lucchi are (relatively speaking) capable agents. The mask dudes don't give off any indication of hiding anything worth speaking of; they still could but they're doing a good job keeping it under wraps. I'm just of the mind that if they were worth a damn they'd have had the haki to see that shot coming and either avoided it or used haki to block it. They're acting like a bunch of Celestial Dragons themselves, with the way they handle some uncouth ruffian dissing them. Makes sense given they serve directly beneath them. But even Spandam wasn't dumb enough to go anywhere without bodyguards. These guys are even stupider than Spandam; let that sink in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BattleFranky69 View Post
    How do you figure? He doesn't strike me as the sort who'd either let himself get shot in the head (at least not by surprise) or if he did, he'd intimidate whoever shot him by showing that it didn't hurt or even rattle him one iota. These guys got all shaken up to hell both by the request for Vegapunk and Orochi's explosive reaction to their refusal. The rest of these CP0 head honchos seem analogous to CP9's Spandam while Lucchi and that one chick from the Big Mom wedding arc seem like the actual CP9 agents in terms of prowess. I could be wrong but they give no indication that they're anything special. We obviously have precedence where a team leader is pathetic compared to their underlings with CP9 so it stands to reason CP0 would operate similarly. The guys with the masks appear pathetic while the Big Mom event infiltrator and Lucchi are (relatively speaking) capable agents. The mask dudes don't give off any indication of hiding anything worth speaking of; they still could but they're doing a good job keeping it under wraps. I'm just of the mind that if they were worth a damn they'd have had the haki to see that shot coming and either avoided it or used haki to block it. They're acting like a bunch of Celestial Dragons themselves, with the way they handle some uncouth ruffian dissing them. Makes sense given they serve directly beneath them. But even Spandam wasn't dumb enough to go anywhere without bodyguards. These guys are even stupider than Spandam; let that sink in.
    There is nothing to remotely support this claim that those 3 do not have high combat abilities. That guy got shot and it didn't affect him in the slightest - they are the strongest intelligence organization in the world, we've seen those 3 a few times now - other than Spandam who's a joke....rest of them must be high level combatants.

    And they'd be pretty dumb no matter how strong they are to pick a fight in the palace of the Shogun of Wano, who has a whole army of powerful samurai and the full might of 1 of the Emperor's backing him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LightningAce View Post
    There is nothing to remotely support this claim that those 3 do not have high combat abilities. That guy got shot and it didn't affect him in the slightest - they are the strongest intelligence organization in the world, we've seen those 3 a few times now - other than Spandam who's a joke....rest of them must be high level combatants.

    And they'd be pretty dumb no matter how strong they are to pick a fight in the palace of the Shogun of Wano, who has a whole army of powerful samurai and the full might of 1 of the Emperor's backing him.
    A normal gun (not one of Big Mom's high-powered ones) shot them in a thick face mask, and scared the shit out of them; getting shot in a bulletproof vest doesn't mean you know Tekkai. At best their observation haki is absolutely piss-poor. Unless we actually see them DO something there's no reason to think they're anything other than non-combatants. If they were really up to snuff they'd have all Geppou'd into the air to put as much distance from the crazy shogun as they could. Their entire demeanor is not that of shrewd negotiation so they're apparently not good at that either. They don't have to fight their way out if they can Soru and Geppou so the bare minimum for being on, say, Kalifa's level seems beyond their reach or, like I've been saying, they're just too stupid to figure out what they should actually do if they're actually capable. I get if Oda's trying to hold back so he can save showing them actually, you know, doing something interesting for the best possible moment, but this repeated teasing and showing them to be so seemingly pathetic is counter-intuitive. I'd expect someone stoic like Vergo to be the demeanor of a CP0 agent, whether they're one of these guys or...let me just go look up her name real quick...Stussy! That's it. I kept wanting to call her Stelly but then I knew that was another character's name. Both her and Lucchi fit the bill when they're not undercover. Again, a gunshot getting past their observation haki is already a bad enough sign, but them getting so rattled is not what you'd expect from someone who would be likely to have proficiency in Tekkai or any of the helpful for dodging Rokushiki moves. If they're putting on an act it's a hell of an act and at this point I'm getting seriously sick of fake-outs in this series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BattleFranky69 View Post
    A normal gun (not one of Big Mom's high-powered ones) shot them in a thick face mask, and scared the shit out of them
    Why are you making stuff up? They didn't react to it at all.

    getting shot in a bulletproof vest doesn't mean you know Tekkai. At best their observation haki is absolutely piss-poor. Unless we actually see them DO something there's no reason to think they're anything other than non-combatants. If they were really up to snuff they'd have all Geppou'd into the air to put as much distance from the crazy shogun as they could. Their entire demeanor is not that of shrewd negotiation so they're apparently not good at that either. They don't have to fight their way out if they can Soru and Geppou so the bare minimum for being on, say, Kalifa's level seems beyond their reach or, like I've been saying, they're just too stupid to figure out what they should actually do if they're actually capable. I get if Oda's trying to hold back so he can save showing them actually, you know, doing something interesting for the best possible moment, but this repeated teasing and showing them to be so seemingly pathetic is counter-intuitive. I'd expect someone stoic like Vergo to be the demeanor of a CP0 agent, whether they're one of these guys or...let me just go look up her name real quick...Stussy! That's it. I kept wanting to call her Stelly but then I knew that was another character's name. Both her and Lucchi fit the bill when they're not undercover. Again, a gunshot getting past their observation haki is already a bad enough sign, but them getting so rattled is not what you'd expect from someone who would be likely to have proficiency in Tekkai or any of the helpful for dodging Rokushiki moves. If they're putting on an act it's a hell of an act and at this point I'm getting seriously sick of fake-outs in this series.
    Not only does this take completely ignore the context of the situation CP0 is in (they're not going to fight the Shogun when they want to make a deal with him, jesus), but now you weirdly assume that they're all non-combatants, despite us knowing since Dressrosa that they are flatout stated to be stronger than CP9. Also Rob Lucci, Kaku, and Stussy's feats make this clearly contradict this assumption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uniaka ikuzakas View Post
    Didn't that special pass for movie Gold reveal that Lucci is the commander in chief of CP0?
    While not having seen said film i feel comfortable in saying that there is no possible scenario where Rob Lucci immedietly took the lead of and now rules CP0. Story progression dictates that he is less of a threat than the lead actors of the strongest cipher pol in the world, Lucci should resonably be a big fish in a little pond in comparison. Well maybe a huge fish but still the ocean should be vaster

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    IMHO the dude who spoke with Doffy right after the war could be the spandam-esque leader of the CP0.
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    Even if i am totally at fault for it, it is starting to feel like Spandam is the most overused word at the moment.

    Aaand it really shouldn't be used on anybody but Oro-dude. Don't oversaturate it people

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfwood View Post
    While not having seen said film i feel comfortable in saying that there is no possible scenario where Rob Lucci immedietly took the lead of and now rules CP0. Story progression dictates that he is less of a threat than the lead actors of the strongest cipher pol in the world, Lucci should resonably be a big fish in a little pond in comparison. Well maybe a huge fish but still the ocean should be vaster
    He had 2 years time to rank up, and CP0 doesn't look to be some strength based organization based on what they do, they still have to count on marines. Also had that CP9 experience that maybe counted too for him to rank up fast. And so far we saw few members, could be easy to get up there.

    And if based on that fight with sabo, it looks like lucci got really strong to put up a fight with him, knowing what sabo did to Burgess and vice admiral in dressrosa, or his draw with admiral.


    The new admirals got so high in the marines in just 2 years, something the other marines for decades didn't manage to. And if Oda himself worked on this movie, it's even more likely to be true.
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