+ Reply to Thread
Page 5 of 5 FirstFirst ... 3 4 5
Results 81 to 99 of 99

Thread: New Shonen Jump Overhaul! - FREE OP simulpub + paid backlog

  1. #81

    Default Re: New Shonen Jump Overhaul! - FREE OP simulpub + paid backlog

    A couple of quick questions I may have missed the answer to elsewhere: When Japan gets an early release, does that mean we will too? And will the archived chapters update to the volume versions when the books come out, or will they stay as the magazine chapters forever?

    --- Update From New Post Merge ---

    Oh, and if the magazine is being scrapped in favour of individual series, how are the magazine covers and the author comments going to be handled?

  2. #82

    Default Re: New Shonen Jump Overhaul! - FREE OP simulpub + paid backlog

    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    In Japan its actually on Monday... but... timezones. In theory it should be releasing Sunday at noon, yes.



    It's only going to be a delay of about a day, since chapters will now hit on Sunday instead of Viz's current Monday. The initial couple chapters will probably be bumpy but if the community adjusts to it, it shouldn't be much different than things are now.
    Let's not exagerate, scan are released friday 8am GMT so a release sunday noon PST is 2 days and a half difference

    I think you should try though. but i still reiterate my advice to have only one single thread like on every other forums

    Btw greg, any chance Japan will abandon the magazines for such a system anytime soon ?
    And does free means advertisement ? Because it's great for readers unless viz goes bankrupt...

  3. #83
    Discovered Stowaway MarcelloF's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Germany

    Default Re: New Shonen Jump Overhaul! - FREE OP simulpub + paid backlog

    Is there a way to read them on PC? Or is this Mobile/Tablets only?

    3DS Friend Code: 2535-3762-9083

  4. #84

    Default Re: New Shonen Jump Overhaul! - FREE OP simulpub + paid backlog

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain M View Post
    A couple of quick questions I may have missed the answer to elsewhere: When Japan gets an early release, does that mean we will too?
    Yes. Saturday Jump release in Japan = Friday release in the West

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain M View Post
    Oh, and if the magazine is being scrapped in favour of individual series, how are the magazine covers and the author comments going to be handled?
    Covers + author comments will be on viz dot com each week, in the blog section (I asked the Viz people this on the One Piece Podcast today, because so many people wanted to know)

    Quote Originally Posted by MarcelloF View Post
    Is there a way to read them on PC? Or is this Mobile/Tablets only?
    I've *only ever* used a PC browser to read stuff from Viz!

  5. #85

    Default Re: New Shonen Jump Overhaul! - FREE OP simulpub + paid backlog

    Pc will still require a proxy for us outside of the "viz zone" but now it will be safer for the casual fan as there will be no need to pay or use sensitive information.
    3DS FC: 0516-7666-3837
    SW-4128-8032-0729

  6. #86
    POE WUN BGR Greg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Shadow Aaron Island

    Default Re: New Shonen Jump Overhaul! - FREE OP simulpub + paid backlog

    Btw greg, any chance Japan will abandon the magazines for such a system anytime soon ?
    Abandon? I don't think so in the foreseeable future.

    But go digital first?

    It will happen. Dunno about 'soon' but it will.

  7. #87

    Default Re: New Shonen Jump Overhaul! - FREE OP simulpub + paid backlog

    That would be the way to kill piracy forever, release the digital chapters on distribution day. There would be no market for the early releases then. Without the money boost on release day I doubt they can keep ends meeting in keeping a big backlog, so they would wither back to P2P.

    There still would be other languages but as outside of the viz zone it would have a lesser impact on business.

    --- Update From New Post Merge ---

    I think that is insane, but after the free simultaneous releases, I'm willing to think outside the box.
    3DS FC: 0516-7666-3837
    SW-4128-8032-0729

  8. #88

    Default Re: New Shonen Jump Overhaul! - FREE OP simulpub + paid backlog

    Quote Originally Posted by CCC View Post
    Yes. Saturday Jump release in Japan = Friday release in the West



    Covers + author comments will be on viz dot com each week, in the blog section (I asked the Viz people this on the One Piece Podcast today, because so many people wanted to know)



    I've *only ever* used a PC browser to read stuff from Viz!
    Good info! Thanks!

  9. #89

    Default Re: New Shonen Jump Overhaul! - FREE OP simulpub + paid backlog

    I am really excited about this change. It's a great deal for us, but I have some doubts. Once I read everything in Viz's backlog that I am interested in, what is going to keep me subscribed?

    As things are now, I'll just get a subscription for two months a year or so, to catch up or reread. But if I am following the weekly releases only, I have no need to keep up the subscription. I don't see how this makes sense financially for Viz in the long run. Unless they start translating older series and add those directly to the backlog (sort of like Netflix always adds new series and films every month), but that would be a big undertaking.

  10. #90

    Default Re: New Shonen Jump Overhaul! - FREE OP simulpub + paid backlog

    I am not so sure of that draw, of the 800+ series that Weekly Shonen Jump has had in it's history, around 200 could be considered a success, (as my humble investigation says, based on lenght alone, things like Toriyama's short stories or something shorter than Death Note that was super influential but outside my age I can't percieve without harder numbers)

    That is not counting licencing challenges like Shaman King, or cultural sensibility challenges like Jungle King Ta-chan, or scandal challenges like Kenshin, or lenght/cultural context challenges like Kochikame or Gintama.

    They could draw from their other magazines, or EAT other magazines (again, we are in the territory of possibilities) but I can't speak for those.

    I think the idea is just to end piracy, and worry about the bottom line later.

    But then again, the price of the physical issue is like 2$, that's gotta go in it's enterity to printing and distribution. For our side, it's like 25$ over a year, for 48 issues, with around 8-10 series, is less than 1$. I have no idea how the magazine stays profitable.
    3DS FC: 0516-7666-3837
    SW-4128-8032-0729

  11. #91
    Your long-lost brother Jabra's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    (っ ͡ ͜ʖ ͡ ς)

    Default Re: New Shonen Jump Overhaul! - FREE OP simulpub + paid backlog

    Quote Originally Posted by Ike79 View Post
    I am really excited about this change. It's a great deal for us, but I have some doubts. Once I read everything in Viz's backlog that I am interested in, what is going to keep me subscribed?

    As things are now, I'll just get a subscription for two months a year or so, to catch up or reread. But if I am following the weekly releases only, I have no need to keep up the subscription. I don't see how this makes sense financially for Viz in the long run. Unless they start translating older series and add those directly to the backlog (sort of like Netflix always adds new series and films every month), but that would be a big undertaking.
    I assume the weekly free releases are just to get people hooked on the deal and to get some word-of-mouth advertising going. I doubt it will remain completely free past the first few months.

    As for what's keeping you subscribed even if the weekly releases stay free? Well, it's 24 bucks. A year. I'm sure that there will be people who will just keep a yearly sub running because of laziness (and because it's only 24$. A year).


  12. #92

    Default Re: New Shonen Jump Overhaul! - FREE OP simulpub + paid backlog

    Quote Originally Posted by Ike79 View Post
    I am really excited about this change. It's a great deal for us, but I have some doubts. Once I read everything in Viz's backlog that I am interested in, what is going to keep me subscribed?

    As things are now, I'll just get a subscription for two months a year or so, to catch up or reread. But if I am following the weekly releases only, I have no need to keep up the subscription. I don't see how this makes sense financially for Viz in the long run. Unless they start translating older series and add those directly to the backlog (sort of like Netflix always adds new series and films every month), but that would be a big undertaking.
    The point is to get you hooked so you go out and buy the physical copies, or the anime, or the merchandise.

    Like I have every current volume of One Piece, and the art books. I've spent hundreds of dollars on a series I've already read over the years. Plus all the other manga I've stockpiled...

    Quote Originally Posted by maxterdexter View Post
    But then again, the price of the physical issue is like 2$, that's gotta go in it's enterity to printing and distribution.
    Nope! When you print in bulk, the prices go way the hell down. Since they're printing 2 million copies a week (and mostly in black and white!) it's probably dirt cheap to print, maybe something like 10 cents per copy or something even more absurd than that. Even with the huge page count. It's newsprint quality paper after all.

    American comics have to charge as much as they do because they don't sell any copies, so the print runs are lower, and so the printing costs are higher. And they're mostly in color. So to make any profit at all they have to charge 4$ for 22 pages.

    For our side, it's like 25$ over a year, for 48 issues, with around 8-10 series, is less than 1$. I have no idea how the magazine stays profitable.
    Bulk.

    100 readers paying a dollar is more profitable than 40 readers paying 2 dollars. They're expecting that whatever their current subscription count is, for it to balloon a ton.

    They're expecting to grab a lot of new readers by doing this. And since they're already paying the creators for the Japanese release anyway and not printing anything, the only overhead is paying the translators and editors.

    But it's main purpose is just to curtail piracy alltogether. Make it so it's not worth the pirate's time to even bother doing scans.
    Last edited by Robby; December 11th, 2018 at 07:18 AM.

  13. #93

    Default Re: New Shonen Jump Overhaul! - FREE OP simulpub + paid backlog

    Ok, so the issue cost is dirt cheap, but there is transport and distribution, some color pages, and the income for publicity.

    On the flip side, the internet version has no adds, but requires server space, on top of the second editorial team.
    3DS FC: 0516-7666-3837
    SW-4128-8032-0729

  14. #94

    Default Re: New Shonen Jump Overhaul! - FREE OP simulpub + paid backlog

    Quote Originally Posted by CCC View Post

  15. #95
    he made me do it GreatLiver's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Under the Art Museum

    Default Re: New Shonen Jump Overhaul! - FREE OP simulpub + paid backlog

    If the forum doesn't make the transition now, there will literally never be a better time than this to align itself with the official release. Say "hey, we'lll hold off for a bit and see how people take to the new format," and AP will follow scanlations until the end of the series. It is absolutely worth a shot to make the change. It's significantly easier to go back to the old way of doing things a few months in than it would be to try and implement the new schedule a few months into this.

    As for threads, I think the best bet is to have a mod update the title and first post of the spoiler thread when scanlations are up. There are plenty of people who don't really want to read twitter summaries and see a handful of blurry pictures, but will still try and read fully published scans. Keep all discussion pre-VIZ in the spoiler threads, but by changing the thread title when a full chapter is out on JB/MS and linking to it in the OP, it will alert the people who don't want to or can't read through VIZ that it's safe to go into that thread to discuss a chapter in full.

    Especially early on there's going to be a lot put on the shoulders of the mods in making sure people don't start bringing up content from chapters in the two days between Friday and Sunday in threads across the board, but over time people will get used to it. And chapters will be being released at the exact same time every week now, so you can either designate a certain mod to create the chapter thread each week and people in general will know exactly when it's kosher to come to the board to start having discussions. It's not like the chapter comes out midday Thursday one week and then early morning Friday the next. There will be a significantly greater degree of consistency with following the official release.

    I certainly don't post very often, but I do think if you implement that nothing leaves the spoiler board until the official release, the people who want to have conversations about the chapter and series as a whole will adjust accordingly, and it will only further legitimize the forum as a whole.


  16. #96

    Default Re: New Shonen Jump Overhaul! - FREE OP simulpub + paid backlog

    As for threads, I think the best bet is to have a mod update the title and first post of the spoiler thread when scanlations are up. There are plenty of people who don't really want to read twitter summaries and see a handful of blurry pictures, but will still try and read fully published scans. Keep all discussion pre-VIZ in the spoiler threads, but by changing the thread title when a full chapter is out on JB/MS and linking to it in the OP, it will alert the people who don't want to or can't read through VIZ that it's safe to go into that thread to discuss a chapter in full.


    Definite Agreement on this. Not everyone who follows the scans wants to read twitter summaries.
    Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:
    So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?
    H x H Chimera Ant Arc / OP Manga Spoiler
    Spoiler:



  17. #97
    MALKIOR THE DESTROYER KaizokuJinbei's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Tampa Bay, Florida

    Default Re: New Shonen Jump Overhaul! - FREE OP simulpub + paid backlog

    I think I would totally be on board with this.

    I always wanted to be able to support the authors more but never had an efficient way of doing so.
    PSN: Ryuunaga, Nintendo Switch Friend ID: SW-1971-9767-4001, Steam: Malkior7, 3DS FC: 4167-5777-1464



  18. #98
    They say I am The Spaceman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    the sun of nothing

    Default Re: New Shonen Jump Overhaul! - FREE OP simulpub + paid backlog

    Having Jujutsu Kaisen and Act-Age makes this a must get for me now. All my Yugioh volumes are at my moms house and I’ve been wanting a reread. Definite purchase and makes me want to get an iPad even more so now.

  19. #99

    Default Re: New Shonen Jump Overhaul! - FREE OP simulpub + paid backlog

    I agree with others who say someone on the forum should make a easy to read guide for how to access Viz translations whether you live in one of the countries Viz is offering this or not, because unfortunately, too many people are used to just scanlations every week and it will have to take a while for people to get used to this new format of reading. Besides that, I am down. Planning on a lot of binge reading starting Sunday.
    I made this terrible username 8 years ago!

+ Reply to Thread

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

     

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts