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    Not extremely suprising, but I'm very stocked about this, experiencing SpiderVerse on the big screen was such a visual feast and I can't wait to relive that experience.

    Interested to see if it'll be a direct sequel or use different characters this time.

    There are also the individual spin offs for Spider Gwen and company that I remember them talking about, wondering if this is related in any way.

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    It'll be a darn long wait until 2022, but it's understandable considering the amount of unique animation techniques and attention to detail that this movie will have to pack.
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    Let's hope it doesn't suffer sequelitis and have a significant drop in quality.

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    Let's hope it doesn't suffer sequelitis and have a significant drop in quality.
    Track record for Superhero movies tends to be the second one doesn't have to deal with the origin and can hit the ground running and is the best one, then the third is the rough one, because the studio demands too much stuff be crammed in.

    Exceptions do apply like Thor where the second one was super forgettable third one was by far the best, and Iron Man... in both cases they had NO idea what they were doing and were sort of spinning their wheels till the next Avengers film.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    Track record for Superhero movies tends to be the second one doesn't have to deal with the origin and can hit the ground running and is the best one, then the third is the rough one, because the studio demands too much stuff be crammed in.

    Exceptions do apply like Thor where the second one was super forgettable third one was by far the best, and Iron Man... in both cases they had NO idea what they were doing and were sort of spinning their wheels till the next Avengers film.
    While I don't agree about Thor: The Dark World, I was definitely thinking about the Iron Man trilogy as the ideal example of things being ass-backwards.

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    So, am I the only one around here who is happy they announced Ant-Man 3? I know the Ant-Man films aren't the most popular part of the MCU and part two in particular was a little inconsequential, but I really like all of the characters and certainly want more Paul Rudd.

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    So, am I the only one around here who is happy they announced Ant-Man 3? I know the Ant-Man films aren't the most popular part of the MCU and part two in particular was a little inconsequential, but I really like all of the characters and certainly want more Paul Rudd.
    Did they? I would have thought that would come up on my youtube algorithm. But yeah, I'm happy about it too. They've gone micro and macro now, so more shenanigans in the quantum realm seems like the logical extension of where to go next with it and not get stale and that sounds like a lot of Doctor Strange-esque fun. Would like to see Cassie get a costume this time around, that would be a good way to spice things up with a little more new blood. Bring the ending of Ant-Man and the Wasp where she said she wanted to grow up and be like her dad full circle.

    I did kind of lament that they didn't have Laurence Fishburne become Goliath in the last movie, that would have been a great opportunity for him and Scott to get into a tussle inside a building and both of them enlarging at the same time and literally exploding the building (rather than just Scott bursting partially out of the already collapsed Avengers compound in Endgame). It would be even cooler if LF wasn't able to quite grow as large as Ant-Man, so that even though he's still a giant, you'd have one bigger giant fighting him, and using his smaller size and speed to his advantage. Maybe next time. The guy from the first Ant-Man who got away with a sample of those Cross Particles is probably still out there and could be responsible for another shrinking/growing suit.

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    Did they? I would have thought that would come up on my youtube algorithm.
    Yep! It was actually a little difficult to find a non-German news source that reports on it: https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/1/2...ndgame-phase-4

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    Yep! It was actually a little difficult to find a non-German news source that reports on it: https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/1/2...ndgame-phase-4
    From the article:
    "The first Marvel movie in the post-Endgame universe is Scarlett Johansson’s Black Widow. It will be released on May 1st, 2020."

    Uh, did Spider-Man: Far From Home not count somehow? LOL. You can tell they're not a real fan. They could have said first in Phase 4 and that would have been accurate.

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    For anyone who still cares, Scorsese elaborates on his 'anti-Marvel' stance, essay below:

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    When I was in England in early October, I gave an interview to Empire magazine. I was asked a question about Marvel movies. I answered it. I said that I've tried to watch a few of them and that they're not for me, that they seem to me to be closer to theme parks than they are to movies as I've known and loved them throughout my life, and that in the end, I don't think they're cinema.
    Some people seem to have seized on the last part of my answer as insulting, or as evidence of hatred for Marvel on my part. If anyone is intent on characterizing my words in that light, there's nothing I can do to stand in the way.

    Many franchise films are made by people of considerable talent and artistry. You can see it on the screen. The fact that the films themselves don't interest me is a matter of personal taste and temperament. I know that if I were younger, if I'd come of age at a later time, I might have been excited by these pictures and maybe even wanted to make one myself. But I grew up when I did and I developed a sense of movies - of what they were and what they could be - that was as far from the Marvel universe as we on Earth are from Alpha Centauri.

    For me, for the filmmakers I came to love and respect, for my friends who started making movies around the same time that I did, cinema was about revelation - aesthetic, emotional and spiritual revelation. It was about characters - the complexity of people and their contradictory and sometimes paradoxical natures, the way they can hurt one another and love one another and suddenly come face to face with themselves. It was about confronting the unexpected on the screen and in the life it dramatized and interpreted, and enlarging the sense of what was possible in the art form.

    And that was the key for us: it was an art form. There was some debate about that at the time, so we stood up for cinema as an equal to literature or music or dance. And we came to understand that the art could be found in many different places and in just as many forms - in The Steel Helmet by Sam Fuller and Persona by Ingmar Bergman, in It's Always Fair Weather by Stanley Donen and Gene Kelly and Scorpio Rising by Kenneth Anger, in Vivre sa vie by Jean-Luc Godard and The Killers by Don Siegel.

    Or in the films of Alfred Hitchcock - I suppose you could say that Hitchcock was his own franchise. Or that he was our franchise. Every new Hitchcock picture was an event. To be in a packed house in one of the old theaters watching Rear Window was an extraordinary experience: It was an event created by the chemistry between the audience and the picture itself, and it was electrifying.

    And in a way, certain Hitchcock films were also like theme parks. I'm thinking of Strangers on a Train, in which the climax takes place on a merry-go-round at a real amusement park, and Psycho, which I saw at a midnight show on its opening day, an experience I will never forget. People went to be surprised and thrilled, and they weren't disappointed.

    Sixty or 70 years later, we're still watching those pictures and marveling at them. But is it the thrills and the shocks that we keep going back to? I don't think so. The set pieces in North by Northwest are stunning, but they would be nothing more than a succession of dynamic and elegant compositions and cuts without the painful emotions at the center of the story or the absolute lostness of Cary Grant's character.The climax of Strangers on a Train is a feat, but it's the interplay between the two principal characters and Robert Walker's profoundly unsettling performance that resonate now.

    Some say that Hitchcock's pictures had a sameness to them, and perhaps that's true - Hitchcock himself wondered about it. But the sameness of today's franchise pictures is something else again. Many of the elements that define cinema as I know it are there in Marvel pictures. What's not there is revelation, mystery or genuine emotional danger. Nothing is at risk. The pictures are made to satisfy a specific set of demands, and they are designed as variations on a finite number of themes.

    They are sequels in name but they are remakes in spirit, and everything in them is officially sanctioned because it can't really be any other way. That's the nature of modern film franchises: market-researched, audience-tested, vetted, modified, revetted and remodified until they're ready for consumption.

    Another way of putting it would be that they are everything that the films of Paul Thomas Anderson or Claire Denis or Spike Lee or Ari Aster or Kathryn Bigelow or Wes Anderson are not. When I watch a movie by any of those filmmakers, I know I'm going to see something absolutely new and be taken to unexpected and maybe even unnameable areas of experience. My sense of what is possible in telling stories with moving images and sounds is going to be expanded.

    So, you might ask, what's my problem? Why not just let superhero films and other franchise films be? The reason is simple. In many places around this country and around the world, franchise films are now your primary choice if you want to see something on the big screen. It's a perilous time in film exhibition, and there are fewer independent theaters than ever. The equation has flipped and streaming has become the primary delivery system. Still, I don't know a single filmmaker who doesn't want to design films for the big screen, to be projected before audiences in theaters.

    That includes me, and I'm speaking as someone who just completed a picture for Netflix. It, and it alone, allowed us to make The Irishman the way we needed to, and for that I'll always be thankful. We have a theatrical window, which is great. Would I like the picture to play on more big screens for longer periods of time? Of course I would. But no matter whom you make your movie with, the fact is that the screens in most multiplexes are crowded with franchise pictures.

    And if you're going to tell me that it's simply a matter of supply and demand and giving the people what they want, I'm going to disagree. It's a chicken-and-egg issue. If people are given only one kind of thing and endlessly sold only one kind of thing, of course they're going to want more of that one kind of thing.

    But, you might argue, can't they just go home and watch anything else they want on Netflix or iTunes or Hulu? Sure - anywhere but on the big screen, where the filmmaker intended her or his picture to be seen.

    In the past 20 years, as we all know, the movie business has changed on all fronts. But the most ominous change has happened stealthily and under cover of night: the gradual but steady elimination of risk. Many films today are perfect products manufactured for immediate consumption. Many of them are well made by teams of talented individuals. All the same, they lack something essential to cinema: the unifying vision of an individual artist. Because, of course, the individual artist is the riskiest factor of all.

    I'm certainly not implying that movies should be a subsidized art form, or that they ever were. When the Hollywood studio system was still alive and well, the tension between the artists and the people who ran the business was constant and intense, but it was a productive tension that gave us some of the greatest films ever made ' in the words of Bob Dylan, the best of them were "heroic and visionary."

    Today, that tension is gone, and there are some in the business with absolute indifference to the very question of art and an attitude toward the history of cinema that is both dismissive and proprietary - a lethal combination. The situation, sadly, is that we now have two separate fields: There's worldwide audiovisual entertainment, and there's cinema. They still overlap from time to time, but that's becoming increasingly rare. And I fear that the financial dominance of one is being used to marginalize and even belittle the existence of the other.

    For anyone who dreams of making movies or who is just starting out, the situation at this moment is brutal and inhospitable to art. And the act of simply writing those words fills me with terrible sadness.

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    Great read, I love essays, but it was unnecessary imo. I got what he meant the first time. I disagree with him. Some of these Marvel stans are taking it to the next level and proving some of his points right, but overall he is incorrect and he knows it.

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    I watched his original interview and his statement really wasn't as harsh as it was made out to be. It's basically his opinion and his taste, both of which I find respectable and understandable, even if I don't agree with him. My biggest problem I think is that he denies that one could have an actual emotional investment in the story or characters of Marvel movies, which imo is just plain not true. But I can understand his point of view and his fear that big franchise movies in general could prove to be a problem for smaller, more artistic projects. He does sound very respectful when he talks about the people who create Marvel movies. You got to kind of have to hate how simple opinions are blown out of proportion like this. Coppola was really douchey about the subject, though. Pretty rude for a guy that only made Godfather 3 in order to make a quick buck.

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    My issue with Scorsese was his second round of comments when he said movie theaters shouldn't put these movies in their theaters...I went seriously? You want to dictate what kind of business theaters do now?

    I really just took it as sour grapes none of the major movie studios wanted to spend 150+ million on making his movie which wasn't going to make any money at the box office.
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    So if there's the slightest motivation for profit, all the artistry that goes into the product counts for shit. What an ass.

    Are the comic books not literature by any definition, if we're going by his logic? Not even a nod to the fact that some of us have been waiting decades to see our favorite heroes come to life.

    What the ever-loving fuck is he talking about, "Many of the elements that define cinema as I know it are there in Marvel pictures. What's not there is revelation, mystery or genuine emotional danger. Nothing is at risk." ????? He's clearly not watched these, probably fell asleep halfway through one and dismissed it as a result. I get him not being emotionally invested in the way a fan of the comics or cartoons is but he's just talking straight up shit here. He might as well have just said "I'm not apologizing for my opinion, you can all suck it" and been fucking done with it.

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    I know it sounds far fetched, but do you guys think there is any chance that in the new Doctor Strange Movie, That they might bring Quick Silver back? Or some Parallel universe version of him?

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    I know it sounds far fetched, but do you guys think there is any chance that in the new Doctor Strange Movie, That they might bring Quick Silver back? Or some Parallel universe version of him?
    Well, the Wanda Vision tv show already has Vision in it, so...
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    Is Taskmaster wearing a motocross helmet?

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    I don't care about BW at all. But I'm interested in Taskmaster and the supporting characters.

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