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    I like how Scarlet Witch is supposed to play a role in the Doctor Strange sequel, I kind of wish they had met up sooner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satsuki View Post
    It's only because it's my Benedict-sama that I'll see the second Doctor Strange. Because they said it's going to be a horror movie, and I HATE horror movies.
    It'll propably be as much a horror movie as Ant Man was a "heist" movie, Winter Soldier a "spy thriller", or Homecoming a "High-school comedy", as in not all that much. Borrowing some superficial conventions and signifiers of said genres here and there sure, but ultimately filtering them safely through the standard Marvel mold.

    Like, Doctor Strange 2 might have some psychedelic effects and creatures, but I'd be absolutely shocked if it opted for a straight horror tone or anything but a PG-13 rating.

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    This is what i'm hoping for. Without the mid-arc artist change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satsuki View Post
    Ouch.

    We can't stop having Tom Holland as Spidey, he's like the best yet.
    I agree. He's my favorite version of Spiderman. He does a good job portraying the character in the movies.

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    Yeah, I can deal with Sony producing Spidey films on their own again, even if I'd prefer him to stay in the MCU (not necessarily because of all the crossovers, but it seems like a safer bet for good quality), but I would not support them firing Tom Holland in the slightest. He has been perfect in the role so far. I think if they rebooted everything AGAIN with a new actor portraying the character, I would boycott it.

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    Spider Man 2 is the best 1 so far and it had nothing to do with Disney's universe. The way that Phase 4 is mapped out, it looks like Disney was prepared for this. Of course, if the negotiations don't work out because it is said to be ongoing. All this boycotting stuff sounds weird. An entity that only cares about your dollar, can make you jump as high as they want you to. People are acting as if Disney and Sony can't survive w/o each other. Then the're using Stan Lee's name to rally the troops and even his daughter is picking sides. This all looks messy and you'd have to be a sheep to believe that there's a good guy or bad guy because this very obvious business tactic.

    This is exactly why I don't "support". I pay for what I like. "Support the creatives" was created by those who take a bigger cut while the creatives have to hope something sells massively and still not get a fair share. Still... fans for music, manga, movies, etc repeat it as if it means what they're trying to convey. The creatives rarely get a fair amount of that "support". It's really "support the millionaires and billionaires that make sure the creatives get 5 times less than them".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cockycent View Post
    Spider Man 2 is the best 1 so far and it had nothing to do with Disney's universe. The way that Phase 4 is mapped out, it looks like Disney was prepared for this. Of course, if the negotiations don't work out because it is said to be ongoing. All this boycotting stuff sounds weird. An entity that only cares about your dollar, can make you jump as high as they want you to. People are acting as if Disney and Sony can't survive w/o each other. Then the're using Stan Lee's name to rally the troops and even his daughter is picking sides. This all looks messy and you'd have to be a sheep to believe that there's a good guy or bad guy because this very obvious business tactic.

    This is exactly why I don't "support". I pay for what I like. "Support the creatives" was created by those who take a bigger cut while the creatives have to hope something sells massively and still not get a fair share. Still... fans for music, manga, movies, etc repeat it as if it means what they're trying to convey. The creatives rarely get a fair amount of that "support". It's really "support the millionaires and billionaires that make sure the creatives get 5 times less than them".
    Respectfully disagree. The Raimi movies were way too cartoony (while 2 was the best of the Raimi movies, IMO that isn't saying much) to stack up against the MCU incarnations. They harken back to those dark Batman and Robin days of superhero films. Sony still has a long way to go for making actually decent live-action comic book film adaptations. Spider-Verse had a lot of flexibility because of the animation (nobody's going to take it completely seriously throughout even though it's got a great deal of heavy emotion just because it's animated) and multiverse angle to compensate for not having access to the wider Marvel universe. Unless they're going to go that route with the next live-action one I can't imagine them not screwing the pooch like they have with the Ghost Rider films and both previous Spider-Man franchises and, to a lesser extent, Venom (which wasn't terrible but just aggressively mediocre).

    Disney is of course the soulless moneymaking machine they pretend not to be but at least the people they have working on their movies have passion for it (Kevin Feige being a true fan is instrumental in making things fit together so well). But every Sony film up to Spider-Verse has just reeked of that funk of corporate cynicism. I don't want that film equivalent of the sensation of having a stinky garbage can lid slam shut and blast me in the face with the cloud of putridness anymore.

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    Respectfully disagree. The Raimi movies were way too cartoony (while 2 was the best of the Raimi movies, IMO that isn't saying much) to stack up against the MCU incarnations. They harken back to those dark Batman and Robin days of superhero films. Sony still has a long way to go for making actually decent live-action comic book film adaptations. Spider-Verse had a lot of flexibility because of the animation (nobody's going to take it completely seriously throughout even though it's got a great deal of heavy emotion just because it's animated) and multiverse angle to compensate for not having access to the wider Marvel universe. Unless they're going to go that route with the next live-action one I can't imagine them not screwing the pooch like they have with the Ghost Rider films and both previous Spider-Man franchises and, to a lesser extent, Venom (which wasn't terrible but just aggressively mediocre).

    Disney is of course the soulless moneymaking machine they pretend not to be but at least the people they have working on their movies have passion for it (Kevin Feige being a true fan is instrumental in making things fit together so well). But every Sony film up to Spider-Verse has just reeked of that funk of corporate cynicism. I don't want that film equivalent of the sensation of having a stinky garbage can lid slam shut and blast me in the face with the cloud of putridness anymore.
    Oh God, please don't remind me of Spidey 3 or Ghostrider.

    Doc Oc's journey is the best i've seen for a villain in any Spidey movie. Vulture is the best of the Holland movies and he still doesn't hit as much as Oc did. After being a villain, there's backstory. I like student/indirect mentor dynamic with Peter and Oc over Peter and Vulture who didn't formally meet until the bulk of the movie. I like how the MCU was a great backdrop from Tony and Happy to the weapons that Vulture found from the Battle Of NY. My issue is that it relied too much on the MCU. That partially came back to bite both Disney and Sony because now fans are angry at Tony's heir possibly leaving and can't see a decent MCU less Peter as possible respectively. I went into Civil War wanting a Peter Parker film, but left wanting a Black Panther movie and it was clearly better than Homecoming.

    If Sony makes a MCU less horrible 3rd solo film, I can just wait for the next superhero movie from someone else. If Disney makes a dope Spidey 3, i'm doing the same. I'm waiting for Shang-Chi and Blade, plus I didn't love Far From Home, so i'm okay w/o a Spidey flick from anyone.

    My 3 biggest issues with Far From Home
    - The Spidey Sense issue wasn't made urgent enough til he gets slapped by a train
    - I wanted yo leave when he gave up Edith so easily
    - Mysterio wasn't intimidating to me. I didn't love Mysterio in the show when I was younger either, so yeah

    Point is, who ever makes it or doesn't make it wouldn't drastically change things for me and going by the Blade, FF and Mutants announcements, I can't see what everyone is so up in arms about

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    Doc Oc's journey is the best i've seen for a villain in any Spidey movie.
    Really? I mean everyone has their own opinion, but personally I REALLY disagree. Don't get me wrong, I love the actor's performance. But here Octavius starts as a smart scientist Peter admires and grows close with, puts on a big public science experiment with no safety standards that goes horrible the first time he tries it and it kills his wife. Afterward, the tentacles themselves are the cause of his mind being fucked up along with grief which directly results in him becoming.....a bank robber. On top of readily going after Peter to get to Spider-man to appease Harry just for more of the element to complete his experiment again.



    I love Spider-man 2, and the acting in it. But I've always been drawn more to Peter and Harry's stories. I always felt like Octavius in this film was more of a hill for Spider-man to climb over to really reclaim his heroics than a complete character and villain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BattleFranky69 View Post
    Disney is of course the soulless moneymaking machine they pretend not to be but at least the people they have working on their movies have passion for it (Kevin Feige being a true fan is instrumental in making things fit together so well).
    At least til they fire them for some old twitter posts in an attempt at parity. Something that I find curious that the people giving Sony shit just up and forgot about while making Marvel and by Extension Disney into some aggrieved party.
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    I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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