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Thread: Official Wano Thread

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    Wano sure is a lot of different characters arcs.
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    Gotta update the top 10 again. Orochi hasn't been a factor really. He can easily get back into the top 5, but his dominance isn't the same anymore. Zeus-tact grew and Kaido is growing on me at a faster pace. Queen and Zoro are almost neck and neck. Chopper is not too far behind. Robin did well, but Tama is coming for her spot.

    10 BM
    9 Zeus-tact
    8 Kaido
    7 Orochi
    6 Tama
    5 Robin
    4 Sanji
    3 Chopper
    2 Zoro
    1 Queen



    Spoiler:
    1st list
    Spoiler:
    10 Oden
    9 Sanji
    8 BM
    7 Tama
    6 Denjiro
    5 Robin
    4 Chopper
    3 Zoro
    2 Queen
    1 Orochi

    2nd list - April 6th
    10 Perospero
    9 Denjiro
    8 Tama
    7 BM
    6 Sanji
    5 Robin
    4 Chopper
    3 Zoro
    2 Queen
    1 Orochi

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    If Oda can do the deus ex machina/ass pull right, I think I can see Hiyori actually killing Kaido if that's what's going to be his end in the story.

    She actually lived through despair not to mention embedded herself with her enemy posing as someone else. Motives are all there. Then there's the possible she's tue pheasant in the Momotaro quad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deicide View Post
    I think Kid will do something really impressive before the arc ends. This is his arc, I feel, his moment just hasn't come yet.

    I mean, we know he has Conqueror. That small detail wasn't revealed for nothing. It's a Chekov's Gun waiting to be fired. I wouldn't be surprised if the moment he releases also enlightens us about his history, like having small flashback panels featuring his past and motivations.
    Take it for what it's worth, but I do see some very big things for Kidd ( and even Killer ). Here's a few things I could see happening, to varying degrees of confidence, admittedly.

    - It's generally known that magnetic fields weaken under high temperature; I think there's a chance we'll see Kidd getting dropped by Big Mom upon her using Prometheus in a way that completely blankets the area in flame, nullifying his powers; that or the encroaching flames enveloping the castle will likewise have the same effect.

    Just can't see Oda not playing on this.

    This will push Kidd to resolve eliminating said weakness, essentially pushing back against accepted science itself by seeking to do the impossible ( major theme alert ). And by George, that's what he'll seemingly accomplish. There's exceptions to every rule afterall.

    - I foresee Kaido taking an increasing personal interest in Luffy, keeping him around so as to allow Luffy the chance to challenge him again and again...training him, in a warped sense. Anyway, could be Kidd will join Luffy for the ride and also gain the benefits of said training. That, or he'll have to contend with some kind of fiery torture in Impel Down MK II, located beneath Wano.

    Which the case, Kidd will unlock the means to rid himself of the hypothetical heat weakness.

    - We've only just begun to skim the potential of CoC and haki in general. In Kidd's case, I think we'll be something like Kidd learning how to employ basic Ryuo to selectively repel heat...and in effect not only strengthening his magnetism, but possibly even gaining freezing abilities to boot. "Elemental" haki is fated to be a thing, but only a precursor to far more expansive potential applications of haki ( to be demonstrated fully by Shanks and his crew ).

    Makes sense that to me that Oda would use Kidd's character to go in-depth into the nature and potential of haki, considering the similarities -- and what I suspect to be clear connections -- to electromagnetism in general. Plus, it's something sure to crop up in future arcs as well; that invisible "path" Apoo and friends were seen traversing? An invisible "leyline" of magnetic force...reaching Lodestar I mean Roadstar or beyond may require understanding or knowledge of magnetic fields to proceed...

    - This one I'm all but certain is going to go down: Kidd stabbing Luffy in the back in the finale. Steals the credit for Kaido's downfall, claims Kaido's club, walks away with a chunk of his troops. Instant blood feud. And solidifies him as a true rival and antagonist to Luffy, setting him apart from the other Supernovas.

    - Something else we might see prior to all this, just to give Kidd his big moment in the current battle, pre-Failure: using his powers to snatch Napolean and succeed in wounding Big Mom with her own sword, made possible because it contains a portion of her own soul. So something cool, but otherwise all THAT impressive in terms of powers n skills, but...again, just a start.

    - In learning how to attune his Ryou to temperature control, Kidd learns how to manipulate both cold and heat at some point down the road, basically giving him the ability to both produce ice...and fire. And setting him up as the Red Boy demon to Luffy's Sun Wukong from Journey to the West.

    There's more, but it might get me laughed out of the building right now haha.

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    I just noticed I did write all of this in Next Member topic, but this is the right place, so:

    I'll try to fanfic the rest of Wano Saga too. We're clearly in the one-but-last part of the battle, the one where the highest ranks of the enemy group are going to fall leaving Luffy and Kaido to fight alone. In this part we're going to see all villains be defeated and the eventual Nine Shadows formation happens in front of Kaido, just to get disrupted by the urge to stop Onigashima by falling. The scene will switch to Wano with Luffy following Kaido which will go for Wano's secret/Red PG.

    Here's one of Oda's tropes: "let's obstacle the allies by joining Luffy's solo fight". I actually thought of this back when Apoo referred to Numbers usually creating havoc on cities. I think the sober Numbers will be spread along the whole Wano and the few allies which are still able to fight will go to stop them. Orochi will makes his move against Kaido, just to be stopped and finally defeated by Denjiro/Hiyori. Luffy vs Kaido happens. Kaido is eventually going to achieve his own honorable death (can't really see it happens by Luffy's hands, but I can effortly see this being the exception in the whole manga). The final fight will unveil some plot-relevant shit, like Red PG, Wano's secret, Kaido's FB, something about Rocks and who know what else which will lead to the post arc.

    At some point we'll have Kid and Law having a hard time against BM but also BM having a hard time against them. If she'll eventually be rescued by her crew or defeated (can't really see the latter happens btw) depends on what Oda has in mind for her future and I can't really figure that far.

    About the post-arc I have more wild fanfictionary theories which I'll share here for sake of. Trope: the usual "post-arc a new force join the stage". I can see Marines waiting near Wano for Drake's green light and with Kaido's fall they will actually use Beasts Pirates' rear entrance to show up. Among them we could finally see the Scientific Division, with Sentomaru (which used Ryuo back then, so being from Wano would be totally not a surprise) and Vegapunk going to deal with the whole mess he actually did and set for the arc (Numbers, SMILEs, Momonosuke, Queen and who know what else again). This could be the chance to have Vegapunk on the stage without having a whole arc dedicated to him (as Wano is already like totally tied to him). We'll get infos about Kuma, Bonney, Sabo, Warlords and several set-up for next one (or few) arcs. Yamato joins the crew and Caribou will actually lead to Blackbeard saga.

    Totally totally totally fan-point: when they'll get to party for the new nakama, Carrot will show up having sneaked in just like back to Zou and will be part (officially or unofficially) of the next adventures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rayleigh92 View Post
    Carrot sneaked on the Sunny when they left Zou, not asking or requesting anyone. IF Carrot is going to join, I expect something like that, with the crew ready to leave Wano, all of them beginning to party for new nakama Yamato and then "wha-t?! Carrot is near Luffy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sengokusgoat View Post
    On an unrelated note, even after all this, I'm still of the opinion there's gonna be 5 acts. But if the content of Volume 101 goes by and Act 3 hasn't ended yet, I'll have to admit defeat. That should be 1026 tops, but I'm gonna make an absolutely baseless prediction and say it ends at 1024, just to make it exactly 100 chapters after the end of Act 1.
    I've somehow talked myself out of this. To be honest the only reason I was thinking that was that it seems too long to have another act afterwards at that point. But, frankly, that isn't even a real argument. Length should be irrelevant to the structure of the story. I'll look at what actually happens in the next few chapters instead. For now, I'm with Deicide.

    I did call Yamato being a dog, so I'm gonna go with my gut on this one, too.


    I just keep having flashbacks to the tea party.

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    On the topic of Kidd, I was really hoping to see him use the giant katana in the entrance of the island against Kaidou. Would be quite epic, Oda cant just let the katana sit there without any use. The disappointing route would be momo using his dragon form to grab and use the blade.

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    A thing I didn’t think of untill now; we (probably) wil never see young Momo’s hybrid Zoan form.

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    It's not clear Momo even has a hybrid form. Might be one of the reasons Vegapunk considered the fruit a failure.

    Either way, asking what it would have looked like could be good SBS fodder.

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    I bet Momo has one he can use. Remember, he's been terrified to really use the fruit and has only done so in emotional moments. My understanding about the fruit being a failure is that its color is the only factor.

    edit: I can't find that reasoning for it being a failure anywhere. Maybe I made it up?
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    Chapter 685, pg. 11 states from Ceaser's men that the fruit was a failure. Chapter 1007 confirmed what Vegapunk reported to the WG that the fruit was according to him, deemed a failure.

    We are meant to understand or at least suspect Vegapunk lied to the WG.

    If anything this could be the catalyst for Vegapunk escaping arrest if and when the WG finds out the fruit was indeed a success. Then falling into contact with the Strawhats in the near future for an explanation of devil fruits and the awakening aspect.
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    I always thought the failure was the fact Momo has barely control over the transformation. He used to turn into dragon only when scared as heck as it was just some adrenalin induced reaction.
    Quote Originally Posted by rayleigh92 View Post
    Carrot sneaked on the Sunny when they left Zou, not asking or requesting anyone. IF Carrot is going to join, I expect something like that, with the crew ready to leave Wano, all of them beginning to party for new nakama Yamato and then "wha-t?! Carrot is near Luffy

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    Then again, it could be viewed as a failure to Vegapunk just because the color of the dragon is pink instead of blue.

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    That would be ridiculous on Vegapunk's part lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny B. Decent View Post
    Then again, it could be viewed as a failure to Vegapunk just because the color of the dragon is pink instead of blue.
    I could see that actually being a thing haha. Maybe Vegapunk's cheeky way of justifying whatever lie he fed his handlers ( assuming he did ), if pressed on the matter; not quite the truth, but not entirely a lie either.

    Sounds goofy on paper, but would mesh rather well with plot threads and ideas currently at play, e.g. Yamato's attempt to be Oden, and an examination of whatever criteria that entails.

    Or to put it greater perspective: by what scale or parameters does one measure X's equality or success/failure to match Y?

    To wit: what does it mean to be Joyboy, human....among other things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zik View Post
    That would be ridiculous on Vegapunk's part lol.
    Perhaps so, but there's also no way Vegapunk isn't massively eccentric.

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    Is it me or does Wano act 1 feel incredible distant at this point? not just in terms of time past, i mean alot of the themes and characters from act 1 have literally no relation or impact on act 3


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    Well, the main character of Act 1 was Tama and she's one of the key players of the war. The battle even started with Luffy getting mad thinking about her. And we even got a similar sharing food scene in Yamato's flashback. Speaking of Yamato, Ace's presence is Wano is obviously still very relevant. We've moved way too up the ladder for the likes of Urashima and Holdem to be relevant (Speed seems to be Tama's main sidekick now though). Tenguyama may have something more going on if the Sukiyaki theories are right, but he was mostly an exposition machine anyways, he doesn't need an important role.

    I'd say it's all mostly there. There's just also a lot more going on. But it's not like there's a hard limit on characters and themes that can be addressed. Just because we focus on something else doesn't mean all the previous stuff magically disappears and doesn't matter anymore.

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    Act 1 was also where Luffy lost to Kaido and pushed him on his path to develop his Haki further, which is still being addressed now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DollarScholar View Post
    Is it me or does Wano act 1 feel incredible distant at this point? not just in terms of time past, i mean alot of the themes and characters from act 1 have literally no relation or impact on act 3
    Because it's not time yet. They will later on imho, as we start getting into the real meat of the story.

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