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    According to 5CH Leak: Vivre Card Booster Set in Augst 2019, will be the last One, until they Announce for Back !

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScotchInformer View Post
    According to 5CH Leak: Vivre Card Booster Set in Augst 2019, will be the last One, until they Announce for Back !
    I knew they wouldn't release a new binder after the Germa and Big Mom packs, but I was hoping for additional packs for characters they skipped over and to finish the EX cards.

    I don't understand the "until they announce for back!" part though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moriah View Post
    I knew they wouldn't release a new binder after the Germa and Big Mom packs, but I was hoping for additional packs for characters they skipped over and to finish the EX cards.

    I don't understand the "until they announce for back!" part though.
    I think it's just "don't expect anything until we make an announcement."

    It makes sense I suppose, they'd need to release another binder to fit much beyond what's already coming, and they probably they want to have a full run of marketable boosters to go along with that, which skills and ex cards maybe aren't. Still a little disappointing if true.

    However if this gives the art team a chance to get back to the colour volumes and bring them up to date I accept it without question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain M View Post
    I think it's just "don't expect anything until we make an announcement."

    It makes sense I suppose, they'd need to release another binder to fit much beyond what's already coming, and they probably they want to have a full run of marketable boosters to go along with that, which skills and ex cards maybe aren't. Still a little disappointing if true.

    However if this gives the art team a chance to get back to the colour volumes and bring them up to date I accept it without question.
    They would probably release another binder, even before Wano packs are released. My first binder is already full after the CP9 pack came out, and my second one will likely be full after the remaining packs are released. I maybe misinterpreting the last part of your sentence, but I think they might have to release packs that are mostly skill and EX cards. As mentioned multiple times they are way behind on their skill and EX cards (mostly in regards to their part II packs). With both the Germa and Big Mom packs, I don't know if one will have a part I EX card (for the Alabasta or possibly the Sky Island saga) or if both will be doing part II ex cards (still covering the Summit War or starting the Fish-Man Island saga, depending on which characters are covered in the two Summit War EX cards in the Zou pack).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moriah View Post
    They would probably release another binder, even before Wano packs are released. My first binder is already full after the CP9 pack came out, and my second one will likely be full after the remaining packs are released. I maybe misinterpreting the last part of your sentence, but I think they might have to release packs that are mostly skill and EX cards. As mentioned multiple times they are way behind on their skill and EX cards (mostly in regards to their part II packs). With both the Germa and Big Mom packs, I don't know if one will have a part I EX card (for the Alabasta or possibly the Sky Island saga) or if both will be doing part II ex cards (still covering the Summit War or starting the Fish-Man Island saga, depending on which characters are covered in the two Summit War EX cards in the Zou pack).
    You're right that they're way behind on the ex cards especially, but what I was trying to say is that packs with only those don't really fit with the way they've been marketing and releasing the packs so far. I could see the ratio of full cards to ex/skill cards shifting like they're doing for the Zou pack, but it still wouldn't produce as many magazine ad-worthy dot points like these. So yeah, hard to say how they're going to handle it from that perspective.

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    It's been a fun year, being able to look forward to new info on characters once a month. Hopefully July's and August's packs will be a good capoff until Wano finally reaches this point.



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    Holy shit that tiger drawing could be an amazing tattoo.

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    I can see them aking a break. after whole cake and germa what other packs would currently make sense?
    Other than maybe Reverie and a second Big Mom pack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain M View Post
    You're right that they're way behind on the ex cards especially, but what I was trying to say is that packs with only those don't really fit with the way they've been marketing and releasing the packs so far. I could see the ratio of full cards to ex/skill cards shifting like they're doing for the Zou pack, but it still wouldn't produce as many magazine ad-worthy dot points like these. So yeah, hard to say how they're going to handle it from that perspective.
    That's true. It's seems like a lot of planning went into the actual character cards, but (and I don't know how to really describe it) it seems like they might not have actually thought about how to handle the EX cards (with how behind they are). That also includes the slight format change in EX cards starting with the "Shandora Warriors vs. God's Army" and "Menace of Punk Hazard" packs, were they did away with their character profile part (birthday, what sea they originated from, etc.), possibly in an attempt to add more characters to those cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moriah View Post
    That's true. It's seems like a lot of planning went into the actual character cards, but (and I don't know how to really describe it) it seems like they might not have actually thought about how to handle the EX cards (with how behind they are). That also includes the slight format change in EX cards starting with the "Shandora Warriors vs. God's Army" and "Menace of Punk Hazard" packs, were they did away with their character profile part (birthday, what sea they originated from, etc.), possibly in an attempt to add more characters to those cards.
    With all the talk of how long they wanted to do these packs, it really is odd to consider they didn't think that through, but you're totally right, the ex cards go from six characters per side to eight and it looks like that's here to stay. But how is it possible they would just not think of these kinds of things until the set was already in production? Just have to wait and see what they do with it I guess, even if it's just a final all or most ex pack at the end that sells at a loss because of the zero marketability.

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    and hopefully they dont miss a number, hahahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver_planet View Post
    and hopefully they dont miss a number, hahahaha
    After all the time I spent chronicling these damn things I would shit myself from anger if they made a mistake like that. The issues with the order in Impel Down and Marineford already have me scared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain M View Post
    After all the time I spent chronicling these damn things I would shit myself from anger if they made a mistake like that. The issues with the order in Impel Down and Marineford already have me scared.
    Yeah, I also noticed that as well with the previously unnamed characters from Impel Down, but something else I noticed when it comes to character numbers is that characters I swore appeared earlier (sometimes in previous arcs) getting higher numbers. For example Teach and the original members of the Blackbeard Pirates who were present at Mock Town have higher numbers than Whitebeard despite appearing before he did during the Jaya arc. A similar thing occurred with the officers of the Donquixote Pirates appearing during the Punk Hazard arc, but getting higher numbers than the Corrida Colosseum participants.

    The easy answer to is likely that they get their numbers when their names actually appear in the manga (in an Odabox). For example Teach and his crew weren't named until after he slammed Sarquiss into the ground and choose to go after Luffy after seeing his bounty. They appeared in the second databook, which only covered part of the Jaya arc (since the meeting between the Marines and the three Warlords was not included, nor was Bellamy's Devil Fruit mentioned in the DF chapter), and aside from Stronger, they were given names based on what they did during that arc:
    • Van Augur → Mysterious Sniper (謎の狙撃手)
    • Jesus Burgess → Fighting Champion (格闘チャンピオン)
    • Doc Q → Man giving out apple bombs (爆弾リンゴを配る男)
    • Marshall D. Teach → Cherry Pie Man (チェリーパイ男)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moriah View Post
    Yeah, I also noticed that as well with the previously unnamed characters from Impel Down, but something else I noticed when it comes to character numbers is that characters I swore appeared earlier (sometimes in previous arcs) getting higher numbers. For example Teach and the original members of the Blackbeard Pirates who were present at Mock Town have higher numbers than Whitebeard despite appearing before he did during the Jaya arc. A similar thing occurred with the officers of the Donquixote Pirates appearing during the Punk Hazard arc, but getting higher numbers than the Corrida Colosseum participants.

    The easy answer to is likely that they get their numbers when their names actually appear in the manga (in an Odabox). For example Teach and his crew weren't named until after he slammed Sarquiss into the ground and choose to go after Luffy after seeing his bounty. They appeared in the second databook, which only covered part of the Jaya arc (since the meeting between the Marines and the three Warlords was not included, nor was Bellamy's Devil Fruit mentioned in the DF chapter), and aside from Stronger, they were given names based on what they did during that arc:
    • Van Augur → Mysterious Sniper (謎の狙撃手)
    • Jesus Burgess → Fighting Champion (格闘チャンピオン)
    • Doc Q → Man giving out apple bombs (爆弾リンゴを配る男)
    • Marshall D. Teach → Cherry Pie Man (チェリーパイ男)
    My understanding is that for the most part if goes by where the Odabox/big romanised letters introduction is, unless the character doesn't get one, in which case it is just order of appearance. There also seem to be exceptions for characters whose faces are hidden in their first intro, like how Sakazuki technically did have an Odabox for his appearance in Robin's flashback but certainly isn't numbered in that ballpark.

    The Impel Down numbers don't work with any system though. Those are just all over the place.

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    I've unfortunately been pretty busy the past couple weeks, but I finally found time to work on the Vivre Cards. Here's the full summary!

    https://thelibraryofohara.com/2019/0...w-information/

    Contains new info on the Grand Fleet members, former CP9 members, and, yes, even Jerry.

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    Trank you! Very enlightening as ever ;)

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    But how is it possible they would just not think of these kinds of things until the set was already in production?
    Super duper easily. You'd be amazed at how often seemingly obvious details get overlooked in the planning stage. Also, sitting down and writing out a checklist of every named character its easy to go "main, minor, main, main, minor," because you're puttingin the prep work to get the numbering right. But you don't neccesarrily at that point sit down and do the really thurough full production work of going "oh wait, but how is that going to sort our per pack? There's too many important characters in this arc" or "well, we had PLANNED to give this Dresserossa character his own page because he seems pretty important, but does he REALLY need his own card? If we condense him down to minor suddenly a whole bunch of stuff fits better and we have an extra card to play with" and then the opposite of "Oh crap, we thought this guy was minor but then Oda gave them a huge role at the end of the arc! Gatz the announcer probably deserves a full card!"

    Plus also, "what will sell" is more important than "what's important to the completionist". They can always release filler packs later full of random ragamuffins that they then stuff with new Strawhat cards and go "the miscellaneous pack!" and not have to worry about the long term plan.

    I worked on a sourcebook project a few years back. And if I had been in charge of it I would have had a full list of characters and an exact page count from the outset. But the guy in charge of it instead just wrote however long they could on any given character, including far, far more details than needed for main characters, and stretching out even the most minor of appearances to a full page. Instead of everyone being a standard one page, with main characters getting 2, and minors getting 1/2 or 1/4.... even the minor characters got full pages and main characters could get anywhere from 4-7. ("But that character only had one line of dialogue in one issue!?! Why would you even include them?" "Well they're named..." "But they're not important! No one cares!" "But... they're named...) And as a result, no one had any idea if the sourcebook was going to be 10 issues or 17, or even what characters would be in there which led to problems for soliciting, and it was a mess. Even though they had a full character checklist at the start and SHOULD have been able to create a really solid plan from the getgo..

    And then on the last issue they forgot a fairly major character whose name started with Z, even though they were definitely more important than random background characters that had gotten full pages before!


    Or, for a different example, I just saw a book on kickstarted trying to drive up funds for a color printing on the entire book.... even though 98% of the content in it is black and white. But rather than greyscale the one color section, or have just that part printed on nicer quality, the *entire* black and white book is going to be printed in color.


    So this stuff happens all the time. Having a plan, isn't the same as having a super detailed most of the work already done with minutia plan. That IS stuff you discover along the way.
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    Basically characters that matter, people care about, popular, etc will get cards while Joe Blow will get an EX card or not because who cares about them.

    Just give me the Charlotte set already

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