My Hero Academia II - Bhyyyyyyyyy

[zeltrax225]

I always thought Doflamingo's family relationship was that of manipulation and a false kind of loyalty.
I mean, it fits with his puppet theme too.
I thought that was quite apparent in the snippets with Baby G and Monet's death.
Also I won't call them comrades as much as them, Trebol especially, spoiling the shit out of him.
But I get that the point is LoA does it better and is more of an authentic relationship.

[maxterdexter]

The thing about the Doflamingo family is that it is both manipulative and genuine, Doffy really went balistic when Monett died, and forgave things that any other One Piece villain would have made juliene his minions family off, and he seemed hurt about Violett. But then again we know he's manipulating and indoctrinating the kids, and how he's keeping Baby 5 on a short leash (But then again, she was easily manipulated by a bunch of people could be interpreted as a brother protection, but then again AGAIN helping her overcome that trait should come before keeping her "safe" by murderous means).

My interpretation is that he built a fake family, he believed, and with Trebol and the elder family enforcing it, and the younger family being indoctrinated to it, it just stuck, but it is a kind of self serving, coddling love that led them to become complacent.

While the League just is Shiggy and Dabi having their own agendas, and Toga, Twice, Magne and Spinner humanizing them believing that they are the same kind of rejected from society, and creating friendships (not family yet) between eachother.

Compress scares me tho.

[Nectar]

Compress scares me tho.

Hm, interesting. I mean, yeah, there has to be a very good reason why Horikoshi hasn't even touched on Mr. Compress. Whoever he is and why he's doing what he's doing could be a potential game changer. Look at Dabi, I'm totally convinced he's got some huge plans in the works no one but him knows about.

[desa]

I like twice making a family in the league because he had nowhere else and being so broken that he has caused them harm. It feels personal. In the same way when Toga is just killing a bunch of heroes out of revenge that's fine. Where it loses me it's when those terrorists are wondering why society are such dicks to them like wondering why was the ticking time bomb Twice was killed by heroes supposed to protect people and it seems also attacking Ochako because if she she kills her trying to defend herself that will prove heroes are hypocrites somehow. And the problem is a lot of the leagues are really into their politics and being the real victims.


I like the Doffly family has Dofly's makeshift family after he felt betrayed by his real one and also I like the idea that the 4 suits encouraged Doffly purposefully sense of superiority while they themselves found purpose in Doffly greatness. A very unhealthy symbiotic reaction which he then extended to others like him. And I took his disdain of Bellamy to be because while him and all the other members had to be pirate because they lost so much or had nothing else Bellamy just gave on everything to come play pirate. He was basically a mockery of their struggle.

[Cyan D. Funk]

The Legion of Doom didn't deserve Twice.

They totally deserve Dabi though.

[glass]

LOV feels like an instance of the author wanting to have his cake and eat it. It's like if Blackbeards crew constantly kept talking about social justice and how they are being kept down by pirate society rather than owning up to the fact that the only thing they actually want is to rule over the seas. I feel like the narrative keeps trying to paint this grey morality of the villains actually just wanting change and justice but every time you see them, all they really want to do is kill people and destroy buildings

[JulieYBM]

That's why it comes across so heavily that Horikoshi views the State and heroes as being in-the-right, while trying to muddy the waters by just claiming the 'villains' to be sore losers. It's honestly just really insulting because it's telling those with health issues or those who are marginalized for their gender, sexuality or other immutable attributes that they deserve what they're getting and it's wrong to try to fight back because the system is ultimately always right.

[Cyclone_Baroness]

I just took it as, Toga is fuvking nuts. She's technically got a point. But she's also dead wrong in regards to the more murder happy members lol. She's not willing to try and curb her tendencies which put people in harm's way so she's unable to see why the rest of society would have a problem with her lol.

I still felt Hawks could have tranqed Twice at any point since he fully trusted him.

[zeltrax225]

That's why Gentle is a better character than Shiragaki and would work better as a sympathetic main antagonist that can be redeemed.
I think Toga is supposed to represent a natural born psychopath that deprives only joy from killing, which is like what, 0.01 percent of the population? except it's a real wreck because the narrative wants to find a middle ground but that's not even possible in our world. Maybe the author has a social thinking that is light years ahead, that can come up with a solution where walking psychopaths can be accepted by society.
It's also annoying because Toga is like on the far deep end of the spectrum, I'm not even sure that's mental illness as much as an inborn genetic trait like the many fictional characters we've seen in other series.

[Lord Gaimon]

That's why Gentle is a better character than Shiragaki and would work better as a sympathetic main antagonist that can be redeemed.

everything bad that happend to gentle was his fault though, he's a complete loser.

[MDL]

That's exactly what makes him sympathetic.
Losers generate pity quite naturally.
And pity often goes hand in hand with rooting for the person to turn things around.

So..... him being a loser doesn't make him unsympathetic.

[Lord Gaimon]

That's exactly what makes him sympathetic.
Losers generate pity quite naturally.
And pity often goes hand in hand with rooting for the person to turn things around.

So..... him being a loser doesn't make him unsympathetic.

not when being a loser is entirely 100% his fault.
shigaraki is more sympathetic than him and he's a mass murderer.

[Cyclone_Baroness]

Gentle is barely a villain. He's pretty much a failure at heroics and villainy.

[DestinyDogma]

Regarding Toga, I always thought that her flashback showed us that both his family and the quirk counceling failed her, since they tried to deal with her natural attraction to blood with a "just act like the others and bottle up that need" She was not born a monster, but became one because of lousy parenting and inadequate mental care.

And talking about Gentle, the guy really touched me back then. He is the kind of character that evokes what you feel when you see how your old acquaintances have achieved their goals and are doing better than you. At least, that´s why I connected with him.

I always thought Doflamingo's family relationship was that of manipulation and a false kind of loyalty.
I mean, it fits with his puppet theme too.
I thought that was quite apparent in the snippets with Baby G and Monet's death.
Also I won't call them comrades as much as them, Trebol especially, spoiling the shit out of him.
But I get that the point is LoA does it better and is more of an authentic relationship.

For me it felt genuine, I mean, no one was there with Vergo in his last moments and Doffy still gave him his respect. The family may have its issues, but I think Doflamingo feelings were sincere.

[desa]

Considering how fast Giganto is moving, isnt Toga stuck there now?

[PatTraverse]

LOV feels like an instance of the author wanting to have his cake and eat it. It's like if Blackbeards crew constantly kept talking about social justice and how they are being kept down by pirate society rather than owning up to the fact that the only thing they actually want is to rule over the seas. I feel like the narrative keeps trying to paint this grey morality of the villains actually just wanting change and justice but every time you see them, all they really want to do is kill people and destroy buildings

I think it all comes down to Horikoshi simply not being good enough of an author to tackle such a big subject properly. It does not ruin the story but he would have been better served doing a classic good vs evil struggle.

[onemoment]

Yeah, sometimes you can be sympathetic and relatable and still be wrong. Toga is super wrong here, and this whole thing is going to end badly. Yes, you kill people who stop other people from saving people, or kill people who kill other people. You ideally don't want to, but not everyone is All Might so drastic measure might be needed.

Although, considering Ochaco wants to be like Deku who wants to be like All Might, this answer might get more complicated. I'm interested to see where she goes with that, even if this scene feels like it's interrupting everything else is going. I mean, Deku and Shiggy have basically already torn each other apart by now, so it feels weird to add new conflicts, but okay I guess we're here now.

[zeltrax225]

everything bad that happend to gentle was his fault though, he's a complete loser.

I was going for the "he made a mistake once out of good intentions but the world punished him so he sprialled" approach so he could represent that the society needed fixing.
But hey, I get where you are coming from that a portion of it is likely due to him being weaker than average (in terms of stats).
However, that is why it is more interesting to me if he could represent the people who want to be heroes but can't be because of how the society judge certain criteria.
He's pretty much an anti-thesis to Deku.
If Deku was bullied by the society because of a mistake out of goodwill, who knows what he will turn out to be either.

I don't think he's completely a loser, he does bad things but never to the extent that it will harm lives or result in deaths like the LoA.
His character is rather understated but labelling him a failure because he never goes to succeed at either is a simplification.

I don't have much to base on because of the lack of content but I always thought he was a character that constantly struggle between doing the right thing and going full villainy.
That control is much more respectable in my eyes than spiraling into evil or a life of nothingness.
It's like he wants to make something good out of his life but will never cross that border into villainy.

He's a much better lens to work with to look at the inequity of the Hero Society that AM created rather than Shiragaki but all this is just some of my bias speaking too.
It is disappointing when the narrative brushes his character and problem off with Deku handing him over the authorities and moving on, even after somewhat understanding his circumstances.

That's kind of where I know where the plot of Hero is likely to go but it's a guess anyway.

[pariston_hill]

https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1007914

Spoiler:

Dabi's livestream starts in 5. Iida is on the scene, Bakugo and Neijire better watch their hands.

[Nectar]

We're hitting the end of the arc (for real this time). Now, this would be the perfect time for Best Jeanist, Wash, and the Pussycats (Hori probably put them on hold just so they can appear here) to show up. Wow, after all the jokes I can't believe there's actually a chance Wash is showing up to fight the League.