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    How does the "structure" of MHA work? Like I know these are young heroes training, but do the villains often attack the school, or is it more of giving them missions at different places like Naruto. Is there like an Avengers-like team of adults that come and save the day when things are getting really bad?

    Also I feel like All Might being so close in Deku's range makes things too.....easy? But I get the sense the author does not fall into the "use All Might" escape card too often.

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    He used it twice in the end, in the USJ arc and the rescue bakugou arc, the other times it was either a risk-free arc, or another hero, or the kids themselves, had to solve things, or the villains luckily cut their losses before they got cornered and desperate.
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    Funnily enough the school campus itself has only been attacked a single time in the series and that was really early on.

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    Yah, only in the election day the campus was compromised, secretly, the next attack was Gentle's.

    The other attacks were on field trips.
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    Quote Originally Posted by desa View Post
    I fully disagree with that opinion. The author* biggest problem is going to fast and not doing build up. I still call the absence of the usual carefree period at the begenning of the manga a mistake that forces him to introduce the elements that would have been there in weird places and limit the initial investment on the students. You should not make people care for your characters 10 seconds before they finally became relevant. So he made the right decision by putting the spotlight on the top 3 rather than fading them out of existence.

    The real mistake was not giving time to Nejire, the third member of the top 3. The other members of class A already have people invested on them. Everyone that was there were those that already received plenty of focus from the author throughout the story. Fleshing out or making us care about a new character should have been a priority. As for people that received spotlight they shouldn't it's Rock man that just had proven himself recently when he used his even harder mode. The focus should have been Deku, Mirio & the rest of top 3 and only then everyone else.
    You're correct. I was only framing it in a way where Horikoshi couldn't extend the arc anymore and could only keep the same pacing or cut certain things. I still stand by prioritizing the girls over any member of the Big Three that is not Mirio if you can only pick one. But actually caring Suneater would work the best. And Nejire was severely mishandled compared to both her male colleagues.

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    HE made the wrong choice but it was Rock man not suneater(who is bland but that's a different issue).
    Hm... You're right, but I personally don't like removing Kirishima's fight because without it all he gets is a power-up against a scrub without much emotional investment. I would rather have one character shine great than multiple characters shine on a mediocre level. But when you add in how Horikoshi gave time to not just Kirishima but even Sun Eater, there's really no excuse for how he treated the girls lol.

    I consider it was the right choice then. Try hard even if it doesn't always pays off. And it wasn't the right place to make McBoom lose since there wasn't even a lesson about how he shouldn't underestimate his opponents. It was the right way to handle the fight. Don't let the future development cloud your judgement of the past.
    Oh no, you completely misunderstood me. Sorry, I could have explained much better.

    Bakugo winning over Uraraka was totally the right move. Absolutely. Especially since Bakugo showed growth at the end by respecting Uraraka's efforts and winning the tournament leads into why he gets kidnapped by the League of Villains several arcs later.

    My issue with the fight is HOW Bakugo won. This might be an overblown nitpick on my part, but I have never seen anyone mention how abnormally huge Bakugo's final explosion was.

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    It's a great twist, but the more I think about it, the more I never remember Bakugo ever making explosions that huge. At most they're the size of his body. He's only capable of that when he uses his costume gear like when he uses that giant grenade explosion in the Battle Trial arc against Deku for the first time and against All-Might in the Final Exam, but none of the students could wear gear for the Sports Festival aside from Hatsume.

    Like I said, it's a small nitpick and I still like the fight for what it is. But that execution is what I meant by "anticlimactic" because instead of feeling wowed by a clever twist I think "oh, Bakugo could apparently make explosions that big from the get-go. Okay." Not Bakugo winning the fight in general. Showing female characters with flaws is just as important as having them be proficient as well. You need both for a proper balanced portrayal.

    I'm surprise we haven't skipped anything yet.
    SAME. I still keep wondering if he might do it.

    I think he wanted the focus on Deku and Mirio. Suneater was a byproduct of making us care more for Mirio(I remember thinking that MIrio's flashback should have come first for the proper impact). As for the girl grouping unconscious thing. Group them so you can more easily handle them than when you have to cut out the fluff(because the plot was waaaay to much) you inadvertantly erase them because it seems the most harmeless.

    My hope is that when he rereads it he realize how weird it is that Nejire got nothing worthwhile.
    Suneater's flashback was definitely used to support Mirio's charisma. But that only makes Nejire's lack of anything beyond hitting Bane on one page all the more apparent. Mirio and Suneater look like best buds while Nejire's the forgettable token female third wheel.

    Deku is a complete afterthought to me in the Yakuza arc. He is only motivated by letting Eri go in the alley, and that wasn't even his fault but Mirio's. Mirio's redemption journey is much more meaningful than Deku saving a kid for the second time. So he didn't even grow in the arc at all except for unlocking 20%, which was useless against Overhaul. In hindsight, if we could get a version of that arc where you replace Deku's presence with just the Big Three and the other students like how Gon's almost completely absent during Kurapika-centric arcs in Hunter x Hunter, I would take it. Although having Deku absent for about forty chapters might seem way too out there for Horikoshi and readers, which I wouldn't blame him for. I'm sure that Deku's bonds with Mirio and Eri are going somewhere so him being in the arc is necessary in the longrun I guess.

    Grouping them is fine if it isn't a trend, which it fortunately isn't. You're right about that being an effective tactic, but I wish it didn't have to be for the girls of all characters in this manga lol.

    Maybe I'm being too much of a pessimist, but a part of me thinks making Nejire win the beauty pageant in the Culture Festival WAS the author's way of making up for her lack of relevant screentime in the Yakuza arc...

    The guy is way to muchinto social thing for it not be unconscious. The question now is if he will realize it.
    Still, there are many people that like talking the talk but not walking the walk. And he openly basks in liking cheap female fanservice and perverted antics as reflections of his own desires. Not that you can't be a tolerable perv AND a feminist, but I can't hold out optimism for too much longer.

    He's an alchemist.
    A cool theme does not justify using such a broken power that's really multiple powers. Especially when each of those powers is versatile in the first place. You could only have him repair/fuse things like Crazy Diamond or have a gold transmutation Midas touch and have that be a much more simple balanced alchemist power.


    After weird crazy villains that wanted to destroy society just coz and man babies. I needed a little normal in my life. I seemed to finally get someone that is evil, had a plan and a goal.
    I get that.

    If you didn't repeat it often I probably woudn't notice that's a thing. Also it reminds me that he should be the one with mask to not not have to breathe in the filth. That thing bothered me a lot in the arc. He should be the one wearing the mask not the filth. If the filth is wearing it it's just a design but if it's him it's part of his personality. God that annoys me that it was not reversed.
    That is a very good catch!

    I also wish that his germaphobia was exploited as a weakness during the final match. Like using blood or dirt or Twice's dead clone goop to gradually destabilize Overhaul's focus. Sort of in a similar way to Luffy using his bloody body to hit Crocodile. A psychological weakness can be a clever way to make up for being an OP character, which is exactly what Horikoshi did for Twice since he never wants to clone himself.

    Actually I think all the ingredients were there. They were just badly mixed. The flashbacks should have come sooner giving us a better perspective. Probablly egenning of the arc for his motivation. Than at a moment that the heroes or his men are doubting his resolve you see the yakuza boss with a qucik flashback f how he had to put him on ice to let him save the Yakuza for him. than at the end of the arc Eri give her full name and you realize it's the same as the boss.
    Agreed. I don't have a problem with anything that overhaul embodied (OP powers aside) but how undercooked all of his aspects were.

    Considering the author seems to acknowledge some of his flaws I guess I can consider Gentle a decent one. I still consider Sylar better both for how much fun he seems to have with the thing and how he actually passed the torch and care for Facepalm. Of course, if we learn he never cared about Facepalm it becomes shit but I'll give the benefit of the doubt. Also there's Stain as more captivating and Twice as more engaging. So Gentle is 3rd at best, 4th for me.
    Lots of people keep bringing up how likely it is that All for One might have staged the deaths of Shigaraki's parents. If that's true, I'm not sure about All for One caring about Shigaraki. Still possible, but not likely. I hope they have some sort of legit relationship, albeit a perverse one.

    I told someone this before but I completely forgot about Stain. He is the one villain I keep forgetting. Probably because we haven't seen him in forever and despite compelling his characterization was, his role in the plot has only been being a stepping stone for the Shigaraki's ascension. Which Shigaraki himself states lol.

    Twice is hands down my favorite but I was only counting main arc antagonists. I keep wondering if Twice might get redeemed. It would be funny if Twice helps the heroes while a clone stays with the League of Villains lol, although that might undermine the whole thing's impact. Then again, it could really show how psychologically complex having clone powers is like his flashback suggests.

    Well he suddenly has a personality and can move so that's already something. And his connection to Sylar(first time he was emotional in a way I cared) give me some hope.
    It is something. I would prefer seeing more villain bonding, but I'll take what I can get.

    Dabi has cool powers and visual. I have zero investment in pole man(Or is he the one that died?). Mostly my interest in the league is superficial except twice. Did mention already that twice is the best villain of the author. Probably also his most well done character work? There's Flamebeard but we don't know if he can stick the landing and McBoom is simpler.
    Pole person died. I would've liked to see more of her backstory about coming out getting explored, but oh well. Although Horikoshi clearly supports trans acceptance because of that one guy in the Pussycats.

    I take killing characters very seriously. Especially in this kind of story where killing is so hard to do. It just happen that I hardly cared for those who died.
    Killing characters is like an art form to me. It takes proper build-up, grieving, significance, and meaning for me to care about a character death. I've seen too many stories where deaths are used gratuitously edgy and

    Horikoshi's willingness to kill is interesting. He avoided it for a long time but then introduced it in the Yakuza arc so casually. Judging from his favorite superhero stories, I think he actually likes seeing characters die but wants to make those moments rare and special. Even if the three characters we've seen get killed off are forgettable, I think this him setting up the possibility of death for when it really counts, like whenever All-Might finally dies. Which would work better than when everyone kept getting resurrected in One Piece until Ace and Whitebeard bit the dust.

    Hate Eri's powers to death. And I still call BS on the power making people powerless forever but whatever.
    I can buy it since it's not really the power that's doing it but random scientific alteration mumbo jumbo.

    Knighteye powers should not be counterable.
    Horikoshi had the two best powers for foresight twists in an arc. Cloning and shapeshifting. And yet he STILL squandered it. Even if this manga runs for whole decades, I will never let go of that super easy missed potential.

    I just love Mirio and everything he does. So him being cute with Eri works.
    I just remembered the controversy those chapters had where some of Mirio's lines had skeevy connotations but were really just naive dialogue lol.

    Which reminds me it would have been better if Knighteye didn't touch Mirio but just believed in him.
    It definitely would have shown growth on Nighteye's part. I wish we got a Mirio and Nighteye flashback, but maybe that can come in the future if Horikoshi's clever enough.

    Well she doesn't spend her time as a damsel i distress(Nami's role) and actually show she is decent(something smoothie doesn't do or Robin) so I would say that's good.
    I want to say that's a very low bar to be satisfied with topping, but for shonen manga I'll take it I guess lol.

    Meh fighting wise I always pictured him as high level. I thinking both seeing his power and trashing the league gave him that minimum. The proper is that he never delivered. I am not so much underwhelmed as much as I am frustrated. He should have taken some hero out in the tunnels before being catched up by Mirio.
    I see him as high level too but there's normally more tension for such a character.


    So what's Stain backstory?
    Years ago, he used to be a villain killer called Stendhal that targeted people like Yakuza guys even if they were honorable. I think his perspective at the time was that if he killed "weak" villains, he could support stronger villains that would in turn promote stronger heroes as a response. Basically the same thing he did for heroes now as Stain. Stendhal saves the main character from a villain and looks cool, but then kills that villain when the protagonist disappears to foreshadow his darkness. Then he teamed up with a villain to kill a mook, but the main characters showed up to save the mook's life. Stendhal recognizes the protagonist and tells him to leave, protagonist refuses, and then Stendhal decides that heroes who defend villains deserve to die.

    Stendhal fights the the protagonist's mentor, a Batman/Wildcat version of All-Might with no powers, and gets punched in the face, which broke his nose. Then he hops away to an abandoned bathroom to whine about how he lost. He gets mocked by the villain he teamed up with, attacks her, and ends their partnership. Then Stendhal looks at himself in the mirror and cuts off his bloody nose. I think he said something about how he needs to experience proper pain to become stronger. You know, basic pretentious edgy suffering olympics stuff.

    And that's pretty much it. I don't think certain fans liked that. It made Stain look more randomly crazy than perversely deep like Heath Ledger's Joker, and made him a sore loser to boot.


    ISn't that bound to happen since he inherit All Might strength? Unless we are saying a bunch of class A is gonna be as strong/stronger than All-Might in his prime.
    Maybe a couple like Bakugo and Shouto, who knows. But I want Deku to look at least a bit different and not a clone. So it's more interesting.

    I was more thinking Gran Torino reveals with an evil grin to All-Might he was always evil and that Nana stays his friend like a fool despite that time where he passed a naked photo of her to everyone to humiliate her.
    Perfect. We should write a fanfic Toriko sequel.


    The ending was incredebly rushed but when it was good it was the most entertainment and enjoyment I could get from a manga. And Even some of the bad was fascinatingly entertaining.
    Couldn't say it better myself.

    Anyway, back on topic, do you think we'll get anything special for chapter 200? Like another boob joke?
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    We didn't get anything special for 100 so no. New poll? I think it might be too soon.

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    All might with plus extra writtten as a caption

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    Quote Originally Posted by glass View Post
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    Suneater is the only good thing of that arc for me so I at least will be looking forward to the 2+ episodes featuring him (with the action parts being more understandable - really not a forte of the mangaka).
    I don't care about the rest of the arc.

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    I still don't care much for the Big 3. I think it's mostly because they're not really going to be around like how class B can. But mostly I hate that they're called the Big 3 but only 2 got any backstory. I mostly have no desire to see any of them. I'm here for Class A a handful of B and the pros....And Twice lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Mario View Post
    It's a great twist, but the more I think about it, the more I never remember Bakugo ever making explosions that huge. At most they're the size of his body. He's only capable of that when he uses his costume gear like when he uses that giant grenade explosion in the Battle Trial arc against Deku for the first time and against All-Might in the Final Exam, but none of the students could wear gear for the Sports Festival aside from Hatsume.

    Like I said, it's a small nitpick and I still like the fight for what it is. But that execution is what I meant by "anticlimactic" because instead of feeling wowed by a clever twist I think "oh, Bakugo could apparently make explosions that big from the get-go. Okay."
    Minor refresher:
    The reason you never saw him make explosions that huge before is because doing so gives too much recoil for his arms to handle.
    The only part of his costume that lets him fire off those huge blasts toll-free is the grenade-shaped gauntlets.
    It would normally put immense strain on him to fire off those blasts, which is why he had the gauntlets added to his costume.

    Using that big explosion at the sports festival was a major blow to his stamina, and his arms were shaking from the physical strain/recoil.
    In order to dispell Uraraka's whole manoeuvre, he pushed himself and forced out a big one.

    He CAN do big blasts from the get go, but it puts his arm muscles through hell. It was a big aspect of his final stand against All Might.
    All Might smashed the gauntlets earlier, but Bakugo found the determination to launch many huge blasts at him with his own power.
    It's important to note that without his gauntlets his costume wasn't helping him, he was taking the painful recoil directly and brutally.
    He took on the intense burden in his arms to give Deku a chance to escape. He was practically breaking himself.

    Thus, it's even more of a credit to Uraraka that Bakugo had to use a limit-pushing attack to keep her away from him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desa View Post
    You are right. Rock guy(established chracter) should have been sidelined for Nejire(new character).
    Well people would have just complained that he was a waste of space instead of the girls.


    I suppose by people you general readers and consider the internet to be moot. What level do you consider people give a shit about the character? Top 10? Top 20? Top 30? Top 50?
    My point is that even Kaku ranked higher than him at one point and his recent resurgence is because Oda gave him some depth during the Summit arc.



    I think he is referencing specifically the Hawks thing. Would it really be less interesting if Toga was going the talking?
    Dabi is the only one who cares about who joins the VA given how he killed some random thugs deeming them "unworthy" to join. Why would Toga care?




    I think people have trouble with Knighteye powers suddenly becoming fallible.He had been trying for years to found a flaw and never found one. Deku just doing it without any particular feels like a cop out rather than earned. And since the author went so down to earth and practical with the powers having one that was overcome by emotional means or thematic means rather than practical one feel like a cop out.
    The whole arc was enforcing the fact that Nighteye's powers weren't infallible he just never tried. Without the sequence of events that led to Eri's rescue and Overhaul's defeat they would have died in the cellar right then and there. This is brought up once again when Nighteye wanted to give up even after being saved due to his vision with Ochako reiterating that "Nobody knows what the future holds until it happens". Considering that Deku has to essentially kill himself in order to change Nighteye's outset I wouldn't call it nothing also the manga has always operated on emotional and thematic means its how Deku beat Muscular and AM beat AfO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDL View Post
    Minor refresher:
    The reason you never saw him make explosions that huge before is because doing so gives too much recoil for his arms to handle.
    The only part of his costume that lets him fire off those huge blasts toll-free is the grenade-shaped gauntlets.
    It would normally put immense strain on him to fire off those blasts, which is why he had the gauntlets added to his costume.

    Using that big explosion at the sports festival was a major blow to his stamina, and his arms were shaking from the physical strain/recoil.
    In order to dispell Uraraka's whole manoeuvre, he pushed himself and forced out a big one.

    He CAN do big blasts from the get go, but it puts his arm muscles through hell. It was a big aspect of his final stand against All Might.
    All Might smashed the gauntlets earlier, but Bakugo found the determination to launch many huge blasts at him with his own power.
    It's important to note that without his gauntlets his costume wasn't helping him, he was taking the painful recoil directly and brutally.
    He took on the intense burden in his arms to give Deku a chance to escape. He was practically breaking himself.

    Thus, it's even more of a credit to Uraraka that Bakugo had to use a limit-pushing attack to keep her away from him.

    Thank you so much for the clarification. That explanation is all I needed to be okay with the scene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBits View Post
    I like the way you think. Except Midnight>Mt.Lady.
    I agree with that but Miruko > both of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Long John Silvers Rayleigh View Post
    I agree with that but Miruko > both of them.
    We've only had like 5 panels with Mirko. But she's clearly the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDL View Post
    Minor refresher:
    The reason you never saw him make explosions that huge before is because doing so gives too much recoil for his arms to handle.
    The only part of his costume that lets him fire off those huge blasts toll-free is the grenade-shaped gauntlets.
    It would normally put immense strain on him to fire off those blasts, which is why he had the gauntlets added to his costume.

    Using that big explosion at the sports festival was a major blow to his stamina, and his arms were shaking from the physical strain/recoil.
    In order to dispell Uraraka's whole manoeuvre, he pushed himself and forced out a big one.

    He CAN do big blasts from the get go, but it puts his arm muscles through hell. It was a big aspect of his final stand against All Might.
    All Might smashed the gauntlets earlier, but Bakugo found the determination to launch many huge blasts at him with his own power.
    It's important to note that without his gauntlets his costume wasn't helping him, he was taking the painful recoil directly and brutally.
    He took on the intense burden in his arms to give Deku a chance to escape. He was practically breaking himself.

    Thus, it's even more of a credit to Uraraka that Bakugo had to use a limit-pushing attack to keep her away from him.

    Oh wow, I never noticed this about Bakugo before. It goes on to show that there are more parallels between him and Deku. I have to wonder if using his arms with risk was directly inspired by Midoriya(just like he inspired All Might at the end).

    I wish it would have been made more clear though. It would have made me appreciate some his scenes even better but on the other hand not making a big deal out of it is inline with his character so I don't mind too much.
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    There was also the little tidbit in the sport festival on how quirks will have an impact on the users body, as they are biological in nature, like Todoroki's hypothermia.
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    I wonder if any of that training with putting his hands in nearly boiling water and firing off massive blasts actually did anything for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone_Baroness View Post
    I wonder if any of that training with putting his hands in nearly boiling water and firing off massive blasts actually did anything for him.
    Did the Forest Training arc do anything for anyone? Even though Aizawa touted it as finally working the students to get physically stronger? It got interrupted, but it's still funny lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Mario View Post
    Did the Forest Training arc do anything for anyone? Even though Aizawa touted it as finally working the students to get physically stronger? It got interrupted, but it's still funny lol.
    I think they showed improvement during the Provisional License exam. Jirou making a small earthquake comes to mind.
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