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    Quote Originally Posted by Kdom View Post
    By curiosity, do you have "écriture inclusive" issue in Quebec ? It has been the random polemic over the last few weeks in France. Personnaly i find this way of writing horrible and i wish feminist would find more important issue than spelling to help women rights progress.
    Well, I'm pretty sure there is a policy to make governmental publications gender neutral (personnes immigrantes instead of immigrants or usage of québecois et québecoises instead of just québecois) and create femmine versions of some nouns and adjective (ex: mairesse, professeure, ect.), but it didn't make much waves one way or another.

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    Seems the european countries will cooperate more militarily now that the UK is leaving.

    Diplomats are making it sound like it's an historical step. Not sure if it's true or if they're just trying to make it look like the EU is moving forward.
    Anyway, we'll see where it takes us

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    The nationalists\independentists won the elections in Corsica.
    I don't think anyone gives a flying fuck to be honest
    Also, they're not even asking for an independance but just to use their language and all



    In other news Laurent Wauquiez won the elections of LesRépublicains and is now the leader of the party
    Meaning that more people will join Macron because Wauquiez is a radical right-winger, kinda like Sarkozy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nilitch View Post
    In other news Laurent Wauquiez won the elections of LesRépublicains and is now the leader of the party
    Meaning that more people will join Macron because Wauquiez is a radical right-winger, kinda like Sarkozy.
    What are your thoughts about Macron? The pros of him, and the cons? -curious-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nilitch View Post
    The nationalists\independentists won the elections in Corsica.
    I don't think anyone gives a flying fuck to be honest
    Also, they're not even asking for an independance but just to use their language and all



    In other news Laurent Wauquiez won the elections of LesRépublicains and is now the leader of the party
    Meaning that more people will join Macron because Wauquiez is a radical right-winger, kinda like Sarkozy.
    Do you think the Socialists can rise from the ashes in maybe 2 election cycles and become a big party once again? Maybe by allying with the lefty left, like in Portugal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekila View Post
    What are your thoughts about Macron? The pros of him, and the cons? -curious-
    Some thoughts


    cons
    -Is a liberal, and will/is slash/ing labour laws. He thinks he's a ""realist"" by doing so
    -Sometimes acts like he was a revolutionary but he is a liberal, lol. I mean, for instance, he acted all tough against Putin and Trump, but in the end he's all talk. He even wrote a book titled "Revolution" wtf
    -He is a smartass centrist and says dumbshit things like "I'm a centrist because I wanna be president for everyone, not only the left or the right"
    -Thinks people should have many degrees because it's good for their resume (he himself has many useless degrees, but at least it's good for his resume...). And also thinks that people should come back to uni (or elsewhere) many times in their lifetime to have new degrees to be more competitive on the market

    pros
    -Decent president/person. The last one had no charisma at all, which makes the French a bit happy I guess
    -Will try to fix a few things about the EU. Like, more cooperation between countries for security against terrorism and Putin. Wants a budget for the Euro-zone and an european minister taking care of it.
    -Is trying to do things about global warming and environment (is against the use of glyphosate)


    He is basically a liberal in the anglo-american way (well, not really if we include guys like John Rawls. "liberal" is really an umbrella term in the anglo-american world)

    Quote Originally Posted by Chrior View Post
    Do you think the Socialists can rise from the ashes in maybe 2 election cycles and become a big party once again? Maybe by allying with the lefty left, like in Portugal?
    Next elections are in 2019 (european elections) and 2020 (Municipal elections), both usually being totally ignored by the French...

    The Socialist Party doesn't even have a leader at the moment.
    Anyway, Mélenchon and Benoit Hamon (who left the Socialist Party to create his own "movement" ----Benoit Hamon was the "Socialist" candidate at the last elections btw, for those who don't know) are very close on many (/most) issues.
    Lately, they said they were talking to each other but also that both want to have their own party (-->Mélenchon is not pro-EU). But the only way I could see them be allies for future elections would be for Benoit Hamon to accept the new constitution Mélenchon is fighting for. --> 6th Republic. Basically would make the country way way more democratic. And on the other hand Mélenchon would have to let go his wishes to leave NATO (because yankee imperialism -> "Bush tried to rope everywhere into Irak") and the EU (because the EU is neo-liberal)
    Hamon needs to make his movement more popular though. And he can if he rallies the lefty pro-EU voters

    Is there an anti-EU party in the Portuguese alliance ?


    And of course, we also have to wait and see what happens to the SocialistParty. They either go full left and let go a part of their electorate to Macron (like LesRépublicains just did by electing Wauquiez) or they try to exist between Mélenchon and Macron somehow.
    But the SocialistParty is probably dead dead anyway, at least for a few years. Hamon understood this and left the party
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nilitch View Post
    -Is a liberal, and will/is slash/ing labour laws. He thinks he's a ""realist"" by doing so
    I see. Can you go more into detail about the labour laws you are talking about?

    -Sometimes acts like he was a revolutionary but he is a liberal, lol. I mean, for instance, he acted all tough against Putin and Trump, but in the end he's all talk. He even wrote a book titled "Revolution" wtf
    Oh 0.0....

    -He is a smartass centrist and says dumbshit things like "I'm a centrist because I wanna be president for everyone, not only the left or the right"
    Why do you call him a smartass? And what's wrong with being in the center? Would being in the center make getting bipartisan bills pass easier? I am also not very knowledgeable about the French governmental system, so I don't mind being educated on how it works.

    -Thinks people should have many degrees because it's good for their resume (he himself has many useless degrees, but at least it's good for his resume...). And also thinks that people should come back to uni (or elsewhere) many times in their lifetime to have new degrees to be more competitive on the market
    Well, he seems to claim to be for everyone, yet he does not think that some people want to stay with their current jobs -_-

    -Decent president/person. The last one had no charisma at all, which makes the French a bit happy I guess
    Ah, okay. That's good. I also believe the other person that was against him was way worse AKA a female Trump.

    -Will try to fix a few things about the EU. Like, more cooperation between countries for security against terrorism and Putin. Wants a budget for the Euro-zone and an european minister taking care of it.
    Ah, okay. That is good. What kind of issues are in the EU by the way? Also, what do you mean by Euro-zone?

    -Is trying to do things about global warming and environment (is against the use of glyphosate)
    Yes, I like that part about him ^^

    What is glyphosate by the way?

    He is basically a liberal in the anglo-american way (well, not really if we include guys like John Rawls. "liberal" is really an umbrella term in the anglo-american world)
    Oh, I see. Yeah, each country is different when it comes to the terms liberal and conservative. Though it is nice to have a balance between the two, as from my knowledge liberal means change, and conservative means no change. Sometimes change is good, sometimes that specific change can be bad. Anyways, thanks for telling me more about your current president! :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nilitch View Post
    Next elections are in 2019 (european elections) and 2020 (Municipal elections), both usually being totally ignored by the French...
    Well, by election cycles I meant general presidential elections. Like, if the PS could be back in 8/10 years (don't know how many years a President gets in France).

    The Socialist Party doesn't even have a leader at the moment.
    Anyway, Mélenchon and Benoit Hamon (who left the Socialist Party to create his own "movement" ----Benoit Hamon was the "Socialist" candidate at the last elections btw, for those who don't know) are very close on many (/most) issues.
    Lately, they said they were talking to each other but also that both want to have their own party (-->Mélenchon is not pro-EU). But the only way I could see them be allies for future elections would be for Benoit Hamon to accept the new constitution Mélenchon is fighting for. --> 6th Republic. Basically would make the country way way more democratic. And on the other hand Mélenchon would have to let go his wishes to leave NATO (because yankee imperialism -> "Bush tried to rope everywhere into Irak") and the EU (because the EU is neo-liberal)
    Hamon needs to make his movement more popular though. And he can if he rallies the lefty pro-EU voters

    And of course, we also have to wait and see what happens to the SocialistParty. They either go full left and let go a part of their electorate to Macron (like LesRépublicains just did by electing Wauquiez) or they try to exist between Mélenchon and Macron somehow.
    But the SocialistParty is probably dead dead anyway, at least for a few years. Hamon understood this and left the party
    Ohh, now that's interesting. I did not know about Hamon leaving the PS. Do you think he has enough carisma and pull to basically create a new "socialist party" and bury the old one? Because Macron's movement only got to this point thanks to his personality. It's not easy to kill the huge beasts that are well-established parties. And sooner or later, the centre-left will bounce back and it needs a new party to goble up the votes. Maybe the Hamon-Mélenchon alliance can do it? I'm not sure...

    Is there an anti-EU party in the Portuguese alliance ?
    Oh yes. The centre-left super-pro-EU Socialist Party is supported by the super-anti-EU Left Bloc, Communist Party, and The Greens (the Greens are basically an extension of the communists in order to appeal to a broader voter base). But since the alternative was to have the ultra-neoliberal alliance of the "Social-Democrats" and the "Centrists" in power (in truth, the liberals and the conservatives), who actually won the last parliamentary election, the leftist parties decided to let the socialists govern, as long as they implemented a bunch of anti-austerity measures and played in line with leftist concerns in terms of the economy (raise minimum wage, stop privatisations of public transportation companies, unfreeze public sector careers, stop deinvestment in public services like courts, hospitals, etc.). So far, it has been working out pretty nice, with these measures working to stimulate the economy by increasing the money available to both families and companies. The government has also done a tremendous job of fixing the banking sector issues and greatly increasing its capacity, while spending as little as they could from public funds. And the resulting economic growth is more than compensating for the increased expenditure, since tax rates haven't been lowered and thus tax collection has greatly increased, resulting in a much reduced deficit. Let's see how we fare next year with the IRS lowering for almost everyone and projected economic growth being lower.

    By the way, the parliament will also discuss the renationalization of the postal service company this week, although it seems the PS will not approve it. Yet.

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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8113626.html

    So, Austria is joining the mess that is Poland and Hungary.

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    It's not the same, the Freedom Party has been in coalitions before (which led to an outcry in 2000), but Austria's still quite EU friendly.

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    I hope Poland gets fucked by the EU, but Hungary is going to veto sanctions.

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    Kind of miraculous that Greece didn't fall to such people, but then again Greece has far less recent history with authoritarian government than Poland or Hungary.
    You have to think that plays a role.
    Like a victim of parental abuse having abusive tendencies themselves, they never really went to therapy over it and when the going gets rough they start hitting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemonX View Post
    It's not the same, the Freedom Party has been in coalitions before (which led to an outcry in 2000), but Austria's still quite EU friendly.
    Likewise why I'd agree with worrying less about Austria, who has even less recent authoritarian history than Greece, let alone the terrible twins.

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    New elections in Catalonia. The unionist centre-right Ciutadans (Citizens) was the big winner, grabbing the majority of unionist vote, but the pro-independence parties still keep the majority in parliament. The situation is mostly still the same in regards to the balance between indepencence and maintenance in the kingdom of Spain. The electoral map shows that Cuitadans won mostly in big cities like Barcelona and Tarragona and coastal areas, with the majority of the hinterland voting for either the centre-right Together for Catalonia or the centre-left Republican Catalan Left, both pro-independence.

    http://www.lavanguardia.com/politica...lanas-21d.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiolino View Post
    I hope Poland gets fucked by the EU, but Hungary is going to veto sanctions.
    How bad it is in Poland?

    I'm Polish, but I was not born there; plus I live in the United States. -curious about the situation is all-

    [I know I was shaking my head when they refused to accept refugees.]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekila View Post
    How bad it is in Poland?

    I'm Polish, but I was not born there; plus I live in the United States. -curious about the situation is all-

    [I know I was shaking my head when they refused to accept refugees.]
    Bad, they've blackslid to anti-democratic governmental policies under a Trumpian populist shitshow.

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    The EU is gonna cut their funds since they can't ban them from the EuropeanCouncil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkey King View Post
    Bad, they've blackslid to anti-democratic governmental policies under a Trumpian populist shitshow.
    Bleh..... that really sucks. So, they are getting bad as we are here :(

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    The EU is gonna cut their funds since they can't ban them from the EuropeanCouncil
    Interesting. How do funds work in the EU? -curious-

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    Interesting. How do funds work in the EU? -curious-
    Basically, rich countries helping "poor" countries to develop their economy. Also one of the reasons why the Brexit happened and why Catalonia wants to leave Spain.

    I really don't get why Catalonia would join the EU if they secede Spain. Because the main reason why they want to leave Spain is "the Spaniards are taking all of our money !!!!!"

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    Or maybe it is a more complex issue than people make it out to be, involving complex identities and national histories. Not to mention conflicting ideologies about state structures and how to build a country. Or does Scotland have an independentist movement because poor England is taking their money away? Europe is facing a hard time, the electorate has lost a lot of trust in the current structures and leaderships. Independentist movements are one of the answers being put forward to deal with these issues. Other possibility is increasing federalism, like Macron and Juncker propose for the EU, or some people propose for Spain and the UK. Another one is the illiberal nationalisms being implemented in Hungary or Poland. These matters are not simple to explain and solve, so let's not be like the populists and dumb it down to clichés.

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    Yeah, I know what they're pretending, but I'm not quite sure there would be such an interest in independentism if Catalonia and Scotland weren't rich.

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