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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny B. Decent View Post
    I don't have any, to be equally honest. Somethings only work in a specific medium, and I literally can't see One Piece in live action as anything but A. an utter disaster, or B. Stripped down enough that it soon becomes something else.
    What I think could really make or break the series is its humor. I mean obviously, the fight-choreogaphy, action sequences, and adventuring have to be good, but the humor is where a real sense of unique One Piece-iness could be injected. I can picture them blundering it like M Night and Last Airbender and trying to make it just hyper serious or I can picture them putting in very safe, hip, Marvel Universe-esque quips which will get laughs, but make it feel like every thing else in the world from the past 10 years. What I think they need to do is just own One Piece's oddness and the larger than life eccentricities of its characters.
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    I just want the characters to be faithful, Luffy to feel like Luffy, Zoro to feel like Zoro, Nami to feel like Nami, Usopp...
    Of course, some of their traits and gags will have to be adapted to fit with the medium and I'm fine with that.
    But don't do stuff like turning Luffy into a quip machine because it's the cool humor now.

  3. #163

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostTimeLord View Post
    Yeah, the writing doesn't worry me so much as the Production Design does. Actually, what worries me the most is Chopper. Unless they have a Detective Pikachu level budget compromises will have to be made.
    They could get Henson studios involved and make animatronic puppets augmented by CG. It looks freaking great on Dark Crystal, looked good back with the first Ninja Turtle movie, and was reasonably cartoony for Dinosaurs. Where th Wild THings are used real full body suits and then just CGed the head.

    Yeahjust doing him entirely CG is the obvious go-to answer, but that would singlehandedly balloon the budget of every single episode ridiculously and thats something they can't have with a main character. GoT had a huge budget and they had to hide wolves and use dragons sparingly so... full time CG isn't the answer. Part time CG is. And how they adapt his design will be a key in that.

    He may end up being in Human mode and full Deer mode more often than we're used to, and not the plush chibi quite so much. And whatever they do with Chopper, they'll have to take similar approach with Franky, though obviously he'll have a human base to start with.
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    If it's anything like the manga, even chopper could be something they delay for season 4 or 5, not going to mention franky or brook that could be season 9 stuff. So they don't have to worry anytime soon about him. But if this will even last 5 years it will be Amazing.
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    Or they can do it like the manga and have SHs split in group when they explore islands, and have chopper in the group that has the least focus, as in the one that doesn't have Luffy in it.
    Last edited by uniaka ikuzakas; July 22nd, 2019 at 10:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    They could get Henson studios involved and make animatronic puppets augmented by CG.
    That a good point; that way he's always mostly "real", the actors get something to work with and there's much less fur to animate. The worst option, IMO, would be making his 'human' form look like an actual human, but of course that's also the most practical way of doing it. I wonder if they'd ask Brina Palencia to be Chopper.

    They'll presumably also have to modify the timeline, as the 10ish seasons it would take to get past Marineford couldn't take place over less than a year.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    And whatever they do with Chopper, they'll have to take similar approach with Franky
    I change my mind, what worries me the most is Franky. The uncanny valley is a harsh mistress.

  6. #166

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    Quote Originally Posted by uniaka ikuzakas View Post
    If it's anything like the manga, even chopper could be something they delay for season 4 or 5, not going to mention franky or brook that could be season 9 stuff.
    Quote Originally Posted by LostTimeLord View Post
    They'll presumably also have to modify the timeline, as the 10ish seasons it would take to get past Marineford couldn't take place over less than a year.
    If the show is a hit it could run for 7-10 years, but you're not holding down a core cast of actors longer than that. Especially not in a series that will be as effect heavy and grueling and demanding as this kind of show will obviously be. It's NOT going to pace like the manga or the anime, its not going to be a scene for scene recreation. Fight scenes are a big part of OP's dna so I'm sure there will be lengthy action beats, but probably not for episodes and episodes at a time.

    At a guess, first season will be east blue. Luffy's origin, assemble the crew, (2 episodes Alvida and Axe Hand, 2 episodes Buggy, 2 episodes Kuro, 2 episodes Krieg) then big climactic fight with Arlong, end with a party.
    Season 2 you do Drum and make a big deal about Alabasta, because beating the FIRST warlord is a huge deal and world shaker event, and from then on its off the rails.

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    IThe biggest issue more than anything else is actually going to be the sets. You worry about Chopper, Franky, Jinbe, etc, but those are one time problems. Once they solve those, they've got it solved and just have to keep doing it. Locations are going to be the real issue. Because they keep moving, they'll need new locales alll the time. They won't be able to just make a Winterfell and then film everything there, and keep reusing the same set, props, and costumes, they'll have to make new fantastical locations constantly, and keep moving the cast and crew, and THAT will be an issue. (Unless they film in new zealand which has everything.) On that basis alone I think they'd have to do dedicated season arcs in a given place. Yeah you can do short 1-2 episode bursts in random locales for a bit, and fake a fantasty spot for a couple episodes, but anything BIG you have to commit to. The first season might actually be the worst in that regard since it would need the most constant movement. You budget a desert shoot for one season, then build an elaborate sky world set for another, then you film in venice for a year. (Or cheaper approximation.) Basically making a new show from the ground up and relocating the staff constantly will be a huge pain.

    Its not going to be a 1-1 recreation, big arcs will be shorter, lots of stuff will be missed. It aint like the anime where it can go for 800 episodes and 20 years. I would say that maybe, just maybe, something like SKypeia could be skipped since it doesn't add much to the overall narrative, and would be a really crazy set to do that would demand an entire season away from the main plot. It's not a filler arc, and has an effect in the overall grand scheme, but... Like its hard to imagine them cutting something that big, but if you're trying to crunch a 30 year series down to 8-10, and keep an ongoing narrative flow, then that random arc where the plot grinds to a halt while you have a side adventure on an expensive complete fantasy set its an obvious sort of cut to make.

    We probably won't get a timeskip quite like the manga, since the actors are going to age in real time, and it takes as long as it takes to make one season and there will be seasonal breaks anyway, so Luffy will naturally go from 18 to 28 in the course of a thing like this, and thats something you'd probably have to more organically incorporate.

    But to anyone thinking "it'll take 10 years to get to marineford", no, it won't. Look at the anime before it was loaded with filler. The anime from start through Arlong was 45 twenty minutes episodes, equivilent of 22 hour long episodes. You trim the fat from that some, make the fight scenes and the long staring contests a bit shorter, don't have Luffy stuck underwater quite so long, and you can get that down to a tight 13-15 episode season.

    Then apply that mindset for the rest of the series, and think roughly 100 chapters per season. Assume a lot of fat gets trimmed in terms of secondary and tertiary characters, shorter fights, less gags, and only having full blown wars ocassionally instead of all the time. Like, Alabasta gets a huge civil war, so Skypeia doesn't need one at quite the same scope, save that ammo for the next big war coming just a season or two later.

    Season 1-East Blue
    Season 2-Drum, Little Garden, and Alabasta
    Season 3-Short Skypeia and Water 7 (Maaaaybe Foxy for one episode?)
    Season 4-Enies Lobby, Thriller Bark, Sabondy. Seperating the crew, who knows? Thats a hell of a cliffhanger but different medium, different needs. Amazon Lilly?
    Season 5-Amazon Lilly, Impel Down, War
    Season 6-Fishman Island, short Punk Hazard, Dresserossa start
    Season 7-Dresserossa finish, Zou, Big Mom start
    Season 8- Wano
    And by this point we're in the year 2030, so the actual manga is finished or close to finishing, so they can steam on ahead.
    Season 9- Elbaf, Raftel
    Season 10- Big ol war finale thing

    And you pace it like that out of need and necessity. Yes, obviously you can do an entire season of skypeia, and an entire season of Water 7... but that will then affect the back half eventually, so you gotta make those choices and cuts *somewhere*. ANd the sooner you get the entire main cast assembled, the better. Franky and Brook by season 4 or 5 is better than them showing up in season 8. There's enough material there that a straight adaptation would be the length of some other entire series. But that's just not a move to make.

    Even THAT is really huge and being really ambitious about keeping the entire main cast the entire time, and that'll be rough. But you HAVE to plan it as an 8 year run, with an outisde hope of 10. More than that is just... not feasible. (Even GoT fell apart because the showrunners gave up. It had the ratings and popularity it could have gone another year or two and paced its ending out properly, but....) Even if you get actors willing and able to do that run, things happens. All the big arcs can appear, but they're not going to be equivalent to the 100 chapter epics we're used to. They won't have casts of thousands, Dozens, hundreds maybe, but not like we see currently. Think roughly 100 chapters per season and that's probably about the pace they need to hit for it to be anything even close to a reasonable undertaking.


    TLDR version.

    Look at the anime before it was loaded with filler. The anime from start through Arlong was 45 twenty minutes episodes, equivalent of 22 hour long episodes, and that super accurately portrayed about 100 chapters, plus a little bit of filler.. You trim the fat from that some, make the fight scenes and the long staring contests a bit shorter, don't have Luffy stuck underwater quite so long, and you can get that down to a tight 13-20 episode season depending on where you make cuts.
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    Another problem is aging. Luffy and his crews needs to stay at the age they are at right now until the time skip. However your doing a live action a
    and you have people who ages every year so will they have to recast actors every season
    or do each arcs all in one year or do CGI makeup to mask the aging of the actors?
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    They really chose the worst possible manga to adapt

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    I don't see the huge problem with aging, honestly. There is no real reason that they would have to completely adhere to how the passage of time is portrayed in the manga, plus people don't age that dramatically in a couple of years. Tom Holland has been portraying Spider-Man for four whole years now, for example, and he is still playing a high school student as convincingly as he did in the beginning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joekido the Second View Post
    Another problem is aging. Luffy and his crews needs to stay at the age they are at right now until the time skip. However your doing a live action a
    and you have people who ages every year so will they have to recast actors every season
    or do each arcs all in one year or do CGI makeup to mask the aging of the actors?
    Like I said above

    We probably won't get a timeskip quite like the manga, since the actors are going to age in real time, and it takes as long as it takes to make one season and there will be seasonal breaks anyway, so Luffy will naturally go from 18 to 28 in the course of a thing like this, and thats something you'd probably have to more organically incorporate.
    You don't do a timeskip at all, or at least don't emphasize it in quite the same way, and you just have the journey take a couple years instead of a couple months.

    Not everything is going to be exactly the same, its going to have to make *some* concessions to the medium.

    That aside, once you leave your teens you look pretty much the same for about 10 years at a time. Someone who is 20 looks pretty close to the same as they do when they're 30. Game of Thrones ran into the problem that, as per the novel, they cast a bunch of kids as leads, (and even then they aged them up from their book ages) so the aging was super clear on them, but the adults didn't change that much. Long as they aren't actually casting 16 year olds and instead go for young 20-somethings playing at being 18, they'll be fine.
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  11. #171

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riddler View Post
    Do you guys think they'll kill off a lot more characters than Oda does in his story? Obviously, Oda is very, very hesitant about killing his characters, whereas the trend in modern drama a la Game of Thrones is the exact opposite. I don't know how I would react if they, for example, decided to kill off Usopp unexpectedly for shock value.
    They could just not show the characters returning like hey there fine.
    Really depends on how adamant oda is with this version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    If the show is a hit it could run for 7-10 years, but you're not holding down a core cast of actors longer than that. Especially not in a series that will be as effect heavy and grueling and demanding as this kind of show will obviously be. It's NOT going to pace like the manga or the anime, its not going to be a scene for scene recreation. Fight scenes are a big part of OP's dna so I'm sure there will be lengthy action beats, but probably not for episodes and episodes at a time.

    At a guess, first season will be east blue. Luffy's origin, assemble the crew, (2 episodes Alvida and Axe Hand, 2 episodes Buggy, 2 episodes Kuro, 2 episodes Krieg) then big climactic fight with Arlong, end with a party.
    Season 2 you do Drum and make a big deal about Alabasta, because beating the FIRST warlord is a huge deal and world shaker event, and from then on its off the rails.

    Hidden:

    IThe biggest issue more than anything else is actually going to be the sets. You worry about Chopper, Franky, Jinbe, etc, but those are one time problems. Once they solve those, they've got it solved and just have to keep doing it. Locations are going to be the real issue. Because they keep moving, they'll need new locales alll the time. They won't be able to just make a Winterfell and then film everything there, and keep reusing the same set, props, and costumes, they'll have to make new fantastical locations constantly, and keep moving the cast and crew, and THAT will be an issue. (Unless they film in new zealand which has everything.) On that basis alone I think they'd have to do dedicated season arcs in a given place. Yeah you can do short 1-2 episode bursts in random locales for a bit, and fake a fantasty spot for a couple episodes, but anything BIG you have to commit to. The first season might actually be the worst in that regard since it would need the most constant movement. You budget a desert shoot for one season, then build an elaborate sky world set for another, then you film in venice for a year. (Or cheaper approximation.) Basically making a new show from the ground up and relocating the staff constantly will be a huge pain.

    Its not going to be a 1-1 recreation, big arcs will be shorter, lots of stuff will be missed. It aint like the anime where it can go for 800 episodes and 20 years. I would say that maybe, just maybe, something like SKypeia could be skipped since it doesn't add much to the overall narrative, and would be a really crazy set to do that would demand an entire season away from the main plot. It's not a filler arc, and has an effect in the overall grand scheme, but... Like its hard to imagine them cutting something that big, but if you're trying to crunch a 30 year series down to 8-10, and keep an ongoing narrative flow, then that random arc where the plot grinds to a halt while you have a side adventure on an expensive complete fantasy set its an obvious sort of cut to make.

    We probably won't get a timeskip quite like the manga, since the actors are going to age in real time, and it takes as long as it takes to make one season and there will be seasonal breaks anyway, so Luffy will naturally go from 18 to 28 in the course of a thing like this, and thats something you'd probably have to more organically incorporate.

    But to anyone thinking "it'll take 10 years to get to marineford", no, it won't. Look at the anime before it was loaded with filler. The anime from start through Arlong was 45 twenty minutes episodes, equivilent of 22 hour long episodes. You trim the fat from that some, make the fight scenes and the long staring contests a bit shorter, don't have Luffy stuck underwater quite so long, and you can get that down to a tight 13-15 episode season.

    Then apply that mindset for the rest of the series, and think roughly 100 chapters per season. Assume a lot of fat gets trimmed in terms of secondary and tertiary characters, shorter fights, less gags, and only having full blown wars ocassionally instead of all the time. Like, Alabasta gets a huge civil war, so Skypeia doesn't need one at quite the same scope, save that ammo for the next big war coming just a season or two later.

    Season 1-East Blue
    Season 2-Drum, Little Garden, and Alabasta
    Season 3-Short Skypeia and Water 7 (Maaaaybe Foxy for one episode?)
    Season 4-Enies Lobby, Thriller Bark, Sabondy. Seperating the crew, who knows? Thats a hell of a cliffhanger but different medium, different needs. Amazon Lilly?
    Season 5-Amazon Lilly, Impel Down, War
    Season 6-Fishman Island, short Punk Hazard, Dresserossa start
    Season 7-Dresserossa finish, Zou, Big Mom start
    Season 8- Wano
    And by this point we're in the year 2030, so the actual manga is finished or close to finishing, so they can steam on ahead.
    Season 9- Elbaf, Raftel
    Season 10- Big ol war finale thing

    And you pace it like that out of need and necessity. Yes, obviously you can do an entire season of skypeia, and an entire season of Water 7... but that will then affect the back half eventually, so you gotta make those choices and cuts *somewhere*. ANd the sooner you get the entire main cast assembled, the better. Franky and Brook by season 4 or 5 is better than them showing up in season 8. There's enough material there that a straight adaptation would be the length of some other entire series. But that's just not a move to make.

    Even THAT is really huge and being really ambitious about keeping the entire main cast the entire time, and that'll be rough. But you HAVE to plan it as an 8 year run, with an outisde hope of 10. More than that is just... not feasible. (Even GoT fell apart because the showrunners gave up. It had the ratings and popularity it could have gone another year or two and paced its ending out properly, but....) Even if you get actors willing and able to do that run, things happens. All the big arcs can appear, but they're not going to be equivalent to the 100 chapter epics we're used to. They won't have casts of thousands, Dozens, hundreds maybe, but not like we see currently. Think roughly 100 chapters per season and that's probably about the pace they need to hit for it to be anything even close to a reasonable undertaking.


    TLDR version.

    Look at the anime before it was loaded with filler. The anime from start through Arlong was 45 twenty minutes episodes, equivalent of 22 hour long episodes, and that super accurately portrayed about 100 chapters, plus a little bit of filler.. You trim the fat from that some, make the fight scenes and the long staring contests a bit shorter, don't have Luffy stuck underwater quite so long, and you can get that down to a tight 13-20 episode season depending on where you make cuts.
    Do the season splits work well enough with cliffhangers.

    The first season ending with the dreams thing would be fine.
    Robin joining the crew and the ship falling could be one for S2.
    A shit ton of spots you could split W7 into.
    Sabaody is a major TV wtf moment.
    A supposed timeskip would be the place Id say for S5 but if you rework it around Idk what ypu replace it with? Maybe the end of the war and luffy saying he's weak. But thatd put his backstory in S6...idk
    S7 screams the Sabo reveal as a closer or maybe the birdcage...scratch that definitely sabo
    S8 Im not sure where to end this at all
    Everything else is unknown
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    So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Long John Silvers Rayleigh View Post
    Do the season splits work well enough with cliffhangers.
    I dunno. You can make cliffhangers and pace a thing so every single episode ends on a "what next?' note if you want. Thats not really an issue. I just broke it down based on what seems logical given the length of things.

    This is of course, assuming it even follows the manga plot. The start has to be largely the same, the character intros are pretty iconic and important, but after that? It'll condense and change and be its own thing, bcause it has to be. If that means all new locations to suit the budget thats a thing. I imagine character stuff will largely be the same. Not going to try to replace Crocodile with a new made up character for instance... but Alabasta doesn't need to exactly be the story of Alabastra, if that makes any sense, aside from the really iconic moments..
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    The Cowboy bebop is doing live action but it's Tomorrow Studio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BradleyOwens View Post
    The Cowboy bebop is doing live action but it's Tomorrow Studio.
    Cowboy bebop is basically grungier rogue space cadets from star trek but in cooler clothes and they're bounty hunters.

    I feel a lot more secure in it being good tbh, probably one of the best anime to adapt
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    So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Long John Silvers Rayleigh View Post
    Cowboy bebop is basically grungier rogue space cadets from star trek but in cooler clothes and they're bounty hunters.

    I feel a lot more secure in it being good tbh, probably one of the best anime to adapt
    Well I thought Ghost in the Shell had everything to become a decent live action movie and look what they did...

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