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    Default Roseanne is getting a ret-Con

    I don't know what I feel about this. Since the final season and the ending of the show wasn't that good. If this does happen I hope it fixes the ending of the original series.

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    Maybe the rest of Season 9 just set a ridiculously low bar, but I liked the finale. It actually gave an ending to the series instead of just resetting everything at the end as a lot of sitcoms tend to do, and it at least attempted to explain away the ridiculous rest of Season 9.

    That being said, they would have to undo the ending to make it work anyway, since [spoilers for the (almost exactly) 20 year old series finale incoming]

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    It's revealed that for the entire series we weren't watching the life of Roseanne Connor but instead we were watching a fictional account of her life she told us in book form. She says several elements in the book were changed to be more interesting. Jackie is really a lesbian but her mom isn't, her two girls actually married the opposite Healy brothers (Becky with David, Darlene with Mark) and the biggest one, Dan's heart attack at the end of Season 8 killed him.

    Does this need a spoiler?... I guess there's SOMEONE who might consider it one...

    Anyway, they'll have to figure out a way to undo that obviously as a revival with everyone onboard won't work otherwise.

    The way I see it, they only have three real options:

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    1: Say the massive changes Roseanne said she made were themselves made up. It's actually kinda in character for her to add in a lie to the book in order to try to force an emotional punch at the end. Then you can just say Season 9 never happened, neither did any of the stuff Roseanne said she "Changed" at the end. Just start with a scene where she's writing a new book and then Dan comes in asking about it and have him be like "You aren't gonna kill me again are you?" and you're done.

    2: Say she's writing a sequel to the original book and the new show is the sequel. This means she has to explain away Season 9 some other way, since I don't think anyone wants them to still be rich, but it could work. This might feel cheap to some people however.

    3: Ghost Dan.

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    What I about to say have some spoilers from the final season. I read interview that Roseanne did a few years ago about an revival series that would recon some stuff.

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    The major of the recons that Dan would've fake his death.


    The only question now is which Becky are we going to get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sano View Post
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    The major of the recons that Dan would've fake his death.
    Yeah, I found the bit where she said this here but it's very obviously just some off the cuff ideas and not anything real because there are some contradictions:

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    - David leaves Darlene for a woman half his age
    - Dan shows up alive after faking his death.

    These two contradict each other since Dan died in the "Real" version of events and David ended up with Darlene in the Book version. If this takes place in the book version there's no need to retcon Dan's death as he never died, and if it's the "Real" version there'd be no need to break Darlene and David up since Darlene married Mark, whom they would obviously have to kill off due to the actor actually having died.

    I think this was more off the cuff jokes/thoughts about it rather than her sitting down and figuring out a proper way to write this... I think they'd avoid it since Dan faking his death and putting his family through that kind of heartache would be a really shitty thing for his character to have done and I don't see how they make a comedy out of it.


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    The only question now is which Becky are we going to get.
    Lacy Goranson does still act occasionally but it's sparse. Sarah Chalke is way more prolific and active. If I was to put money on it, I'd assume Chalke.... personally I think she's the better Becky anyway...

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    She's given a couple interviews over the years and those ideas have been fairly consistent actually, rather than off the cuff.

    I think 15 years ago she had Mark die in Iraq, and then 10 years ago had it being DJ, but otherwise those things have come up a couple times, I'd be amazed if they didn't go through on those ideas, as terrible and lame as they all sound. And given that its been so long I don't really know how you would have Dan fake his death at this point.... had it been a new season immediately after thelast that'd be one thing, but it all seems a bit much to work around the last five minutes 20 years later. However, it's been 20 years without any real successes, maybe Roseanne can actually be told "no" by the real writers again.

    That said, the ending of the old show pretty much screws things. Season 9 was terrible and they retconned that as just a dream, but then in the same brush retconned the rest of the series while they were at it. Really don't know how to get around that at all other than doing a two layer "it was just a dream," Or just ignore it entirely and pick it up and don't a dress anything from the old show. It has been 20 years after all, I don't know how much they'd have to deal with.
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    Easiest fix: The entirety of Season 9 was just an extended Halloween episode and the whole thing about killing Dan was just a prank.
    Complicating things since 2009.

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    It's a shame because *purely* going "season 9 was all an escape to deal with Dan's death" would have been powerful and really worked. But "Oh, and actually everything about the show is made up and wrong" just kind of spits on the entire series, the characters you'd spent a decade with, by turning it into *just* a show. WHich, of course it was, but.... for the first six or seven seasons it was pretty grounded outside of the halloween episodes, and even those didn't start really going nuts until later.

    Also, when huge chunks of the cast started to be suddenly gay. Nothing wrong with that except that they were doing it to push an agenda (Roseanne's actual real life sister is gay, that's why they wanted to put it onto Jackie but the execs wouldn't let them... so they did it to her mother instead because that's okay somehow?) It's absolutely fine that they had gay characters, its around the same time Ellen came out and Xena was getting a popular response and society in general was finally pushing forward a little into acceptance there.... (and we're still not totally there yet obviously)

    except they were very stereotyped over the top gays and that just made the whole show really silly along with its slow decline into farce.
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    ABC have picked up the Roseanne revival. And the teaser trailer for it is out.



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    Also both Becky's are going to be involved in the show. Sarah Chalke (the 2nd Becky) will be playing a new character.

    http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/05/...-play-new-role

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    Interesting... I like the idea of including Chalk of Goranson is coming back. This to me feels like they can either nail it and it's great, or totally screw it up and it is terrible and tanks... it feels like there isn't much room for a middle ground here...

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    Three new teasers for Roseanne are out. And the show will starting on March 27th.
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    So, the official stance seems to be pretty much that they're just going to ignore season 9. So no winning the lotto, and no final episode that reveals it was all just a book with everything mixed around and that Dan is dead.


    Also Roseanne is a Trump supporter, apparently. (Both in real life and the character.) And that's going to be a major topic of the show.

    Whatever the actress feels is fine, but I can't see that character going for Trump. She was super liberal, hated republican policies, called out bullshitters and had lots of gay and minority friends. I just... can't see it.
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    Well the only thing she has in common with Donald Trump is that both can't sing the national anthem but for different reasons.
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    I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    So, the official stance seems to be pretty much that they're just going to ignore season 9. So no winning the lotto, and no final episode that reveals it was all just a book with everything mixed around and that Dan is dead.


    Also Roseanne is a Trump supporter, apparently. (Both in real life and the character.) And that's going to be a major topic of the show.

    Whatever the actress feels is fine, but I can't see that character going for Trump. She was super liberal, hated republican policies, called out bullshitters and had lots of gay and minority friends. I just... can't see it.
    I really don't want to watch the show now.

    I know the knee jerk reaction from some people to that is "Well, don't focus on the artist, focus on the art" but she's stated that her character WILL be a Trump supporter. One of my favorite shows from my childhood is now going to be Pro-Trump propaganda.... ugh....

    I'm especially worried now because the show is supposed to include a Genderfluid kid as one of her Grand kids... With the Trump supporter thing and finding out Roseanne is kindof a piece of shit in general I'm worried the Genderfluid kid is just going to be there to be a punching bag for transphobic jokes and bullshit.

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    New trailer that aired last night during the Oscars.


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    The first two episodes of the new season actually been good. Mark already been the highlight of these episodes so far and Dan continues to be great as well.

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    How heavy is the Alt-Right Propaganda?

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    Not everything that doesn't share your political views is propaganda from the opposition. Maybe it's just entertainment

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegab View Post
    Not everything that doesn't share your political views is propaganda from the opposition. Maybe it's just entertainment
    Rin might be wondering if the show is going to personally target her demographic! But yeah, just entertainment!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegab View Post
    Not everything that doesn't share your political views is propaganda from the opposition. Maybe it's just entertainment
    Roseanne is a pretty loud and vocal Trump supporter and appologist. ("He's not racist") It's not just a storyline the writers are doing, its the actress insisting that her pro-Trump viewpoint be part of the show, and being she's the star, she's ultimately going to be right and win any arguments that come up about it.

    Even though that's completely at odds with the beliefs of the character, and the show never did politics in the past except in super broad strokes. I'm pretty sure the old show never even mentioned political parties, though the characters leaned liberal.

    Which is extra weird since apparently the grandkids are biracial and possibly gay, and the old show was loaded with gay characters and minorities, it was super progressive.

    So, when its the topic of the first episode back in 20 years is all about how Roseanne supports Trump, when it's being used as an advertising point to appeal to Trump's base (all the tweets are about how it's a show being headed by Trump support)...

    It'd be a different matter entirely if actress Roseanne wasn't loudly vocally pro-Trump, and this was just a story choice they'd made to have drama. Or if she was just a Trump voter rather than a Trump activist, so that it was her opinion, rather than her cause. It's entirely Roseanne's call and in this case, YES, it is propoganda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    Roseanne is a pretty loud and vocal Trump supporter. It's not just a storyline the writers are doing, its the actress insisting that her pro-Trump viewpoint be part of the show.

    Even though that's completely at odds with the beliefs of the character, and the show never did politics in the past except in super broad strokes.

    So, it's hard to not see this as "Prop trump supporter forces pro-trump opinion into narrative to talk about his good sides." Yes, its propoganda.
    Alright. I was looking at it like I wouldn't consider the majority of television entertainment to be liberal propaganda. Like late night talk show hosts, comedy central, etc. I'm not defending the right; I'm liberal. I just think to call their shows propaganda it's only fair to call our shows too, right? And I always thought propaganda was more systematic. Yes her show will show bias to conservatives but so what?

    @DemonRin didn't mean to call you out. I obviously don't know you and didn't grasp that was your concern. For one, I didn't consider the show targeting a group of people with hate speech, I figured it would be cliche shallow conservative rhetoric like MAGA.
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