Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly

[Green_vs_Red]

Apparently Satan gave them raw materials to work with.

No seriously, how do you "build things" in Hell?

If heaven can have golden gates and angels playing instruments why can't scientists be allowed to build cyborgs in hell?

[Kishido]

Preview of 81 is out... can't post it cuz I'm at work... but here the most interesting part

Spoiler:

it says that if Bergamo wins Zeno says he won't wipe out the universes at the tournament.

But now this becomes really strange... How do they know about the rule if only Goku was told... Further more... What if Goku gives no fucks and instead still wins cuz he is so in the fight... or will Bergamo throw the fight that everyone will eb against U7.

Holy shit

[Kizuchan]

Spoiler:

If Goku doesn't throw that fight, the shitstorm is going to be amazing.

A more "positive" prediction: Goku throws the fight, but universe 9 is destroyed anyway.

[Kishido]

Spoiler:

If Goku doesn't throw that fight, the shitstorm is going to be amazing.

A more "positive" prediction: Goku throws the fight, but universe 9 is destroyed anyway.

Spoiler:

Or maybe there will be said that Goku has to do his best and if he trhows the fight U7 instead will be destroyed or something

Furhter more nw titles for next episodes

Spoiler:

I'm mad cuz there will be a break at March 12 and Ihave to wait one more week for 17 =(

[Kizuchan]

Spoiler:

Well, according to the titles, the team is formed so Universe 7 is probably going to be okay.

[MetaMario]

Spoiler:

it says that if Bergamo wins Zeno says he won't wipe out the universes at the tournament.

Spoiler:

this totally puts Goku on the spot, would he actually say "well I'm gonna win, we can just wish back the other universes gaiz"

On the flip side, *why* would Toei even entertain the idea of Zeno changing his mind so soon. It's what gives the arc enough tension to begin with. Take that way and I'm actually a little less interested.

[Ruin]

Spoiler:

Alternate Theory: They tie and Zeno decides only destroys half of the losing universes, but U7's half has their planet + Namek in it

[Daz]

Noob question: Why are the universes threatened with destruction, exactly? Is it just in order to create stakes for their own sake, or is there some reason beyond that?

[Kizuchan]

That's actually a thing to defend Goku's character on. He doesn't actively want any universes destroyed, he's still a good guy - he didn't think this would happen because Zeno seemed like a "good guy".

It's apparently the Zenos that made that decision, though nothing has been spelled out.

Spoiler:

The Zeno "excuse" won't be much of an excuse if Goku chooses a fight over the fate of a universe, tho. Can't help but wonder why the Toppo dude will get involved, either.

Curious about the story's direction. Could be really good or really bad.

[MetaMario]

Noob question: Why are the universes threatened with destruction, exactly? Is it just in order to create stakes for their own sake, or is there some reason beyond that?

Leaning towards the former I suppose.

Although earlier parts of the story show just how wanton and willy-nilly Zeno is with just wiping out entire universes, despite his childlike appearance. Could lead to a whole "this Omni King is dangerous, we need to stop him" thing, but now I'm worried that this tournament will just be a straight-forward strongest contest. Which is fine, but not as exciting.

[MetaMario]

[Md-Martin]

Tables are turned now. Seems all the people complaining about Goku endangering Universe 7 should be satisfied.

[MetaMario]

I like it. If anything it highlights just how dangerous Zeno is.

Meanwhile U6 can't possibly be rated that much higher than U7, but who knows...

[Cyclone_Baroness]

I need a chart of the gods and universes and which were ranked high and low now lol.


That explanation does at least make it not Goku's fault if they were going to destroy the low end univereses anyways. I'll accept that.

[Kizuchan]

Yeah, I'll take that explanation about the erasure of universes, as well. Still wish his overconfident and air-headed nature would be addressed somehow, tho.

I love the energy of these episodes so far. Even if they don't look the best (tho there have been some good moments), that fight was really exciting.

The arc's off to a great start so far.

[GetsugaZoro]

I like it. If anything it highlights just how dangerous Zeno is.

Meanwhile U6 can't possibly be rated that much higher than U7, but who knows...

I think the power thing was meant for the twin universe, like 1 and 12 being above level 7, 6 should be the same or around the same as 7, but if they are taking general population to access the power level of the universe, just because most of the universe 7 team was stronger, it doesn't mean the general population is, they actually have saiyans for example, which even if they are more civilized should be stronger than the general untrained human being.

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Sure we got that explanation from the priest, but still, whoever is writing this damn anime is making Goku really unlikable, he was naive and dumb, but never unlikable(to me at least). I'm actually enjoying the anime a bit, I didn't like the two arcs, and I found the future arc really stupid, this arc won't try to do over complicated things and end up feeling stupid, so I'll enjoy the fighting.

[Cyclone_Baroness]

Goku basically not really being able to take the blame for Zeno destroying universes probably means we'll never get a moment where Goku needs to address his constant need to fight. I mean he hired a assassin on himself because he wanted a challenge. But nothing really came of that.

[Louis-1988]

Beerus is right, Universe 7's weakness does fall squarely on the Supreme Kai's shoulders. As a God of Creation, it's his job to create planets and cultivate the universes power level to a respectable standard. Beerus being asleep for decades at a time should actually make his job that much easier, so I don't know where he gets off blaming Beerus for not destroying the piss weak planets and lifeforms he's created.

Also, dunno if you guys remember, but after the BoG film Akira Toriyama rated Goku's strength a 6, Beerus a 10 and Whis 15. I wonder if the Zen-Oh's and Daishinkan are using the same power level system Toriyama used for the movie?

Goku basically not really being able to take the blame for Zeno destroying universes probably means we'll never get a moment where Goku needs to address his constant need to fight. I mean he hired a assassin on himself because he wanted a challenge. But nothing really came of that.

That's just a Saiyan Saiyan'ing. He's been this way since chapter 1.

[Kishido]

Mortal level =/= power level

[GetsugaZoro]

Mortal level =/= power level

Yes, it's the level of power from the mortals from a certain universe, so yes it's power level.