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    The reason Goten exists is to have Trunks fuse with someone.

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    High school Gohan and Goten are great characters until the moment Goku comes back into the story.

    But when Goku shows up, he sucks up all their screen presence like we all knew he would.

    A shame Toriyama wasn't able to stick to his guns on that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halfmetal-lich View Post
    High school Gohan and Goten are great characters until the moment Goku comes back into the story.

    But when Goku shows up, he sucks up all their screen presence like we all knew he would.

    A shame Toriyama wasn't able to stick to his guns on that one.
    Im not saying it played out that way, but it is hard to stick to your guns when the publisher gets so much say in things.
    Life flows on. I'd just go with it if I were me.

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    Im not saying it played out that way, but it is hard to stick to your guns when the publisher gets so much say in things.
    Publisher had nothing to do with it. No one could TELL Toriyama what to do at that point. In fact, the freedom he had at that point is why the Buu saga was so wacky.

    He just... felt Goku was most appropriate hero.

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    Yeah, too goo bad the focus couldn't have shifted to Goku's kids. It could have been a little like Jojo's! RIP character potential of Gohan and Goten.
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    Its why that brief period with GOhan in school is one of my favorite parts of the series. WHere he's training Goten and flirting with Videl and doing the stupid Superhero thing... its just so different and a breath of fresh air from everything else in the series. And then....

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    I should get a life, but I've often fantasized about just how different I'd have made the Buu saga, and it involves a lot more Gohan and Goten (and Trunks and Piccolo).
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    Broly has been the most popular and beloved of the movie villains. Kale was an experiment on if people would want to see more of him, and it was a resounded yes. Broly, like Frieza make buckets of money.

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    The movie has been in production since February 2017, which was about the start of the ToP, so I think Kale is a byproduct.

    Since Kale is the U6 counterpart, it makes sense U7 would also have their version of it... and for what it's worth, I think Kale is already much better characterized than Broly.

    I take timid girl with insecurity problems making steps to overcome it and learn to control her power over muscleman motivated by a infant's crying.

    I think it could've been set up and built up much better, but I think it at least makes much more sense. It's not *just* jealousy over Goku, Kale is in general really insecure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    Publisher had nothing to do with it. No one could TELL Toriyama what to do at that point. In fact, the freedom he had at that point is why the Buu saga was so wacky.

    He just... felt Goku was most appropriate hero.
    You may well be right, but I suspect even Oda still answers to his publisher to some extent.
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    Gohan was actually a fairly dynamic character at the start of the Buu saga. He was a goofball like Goku but a very different type of goofball (more like Peter Parker as I’ve once mentioned before), which differentiated him from his dad but also kept the typical shonen protag characteristics. “I enjoy fighting, but I don’t live for it and enjoy education more” is also more in line with his pre-Cell Games characterization than “I abhor fighting to the point that I refuse to stand up to this galactic threat”, which was just done for cheap drama.

    In Super he’s just a generic serious frowny face person, indistinguishable from someone like Tenshinhan. No wonder nobody likes him anymore.

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    Wait, how is the Saiyaman two-parter and Trunks episode "serious frowny-face person"?

    He's a genuinely good dad juggling his desire to help people as Great Saiyaman, being a martial artist and a scholar.

    In fact, I'm pretty happy he was one of the characters who took the threat of his universe being erased seriously. His call for teamwork tactics is what ultimately won the tournament even if he didn't.

    Piccolo said to not let his strength get to his head and it didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    Up until Cell he was fine. After that?
    I'm gonna go to high school! I'm gonna be a superhero with a secret identity! (Actually one of my favorite arcs in the series but) Wait, I'm actually really weak! But now I'm going to get stronger! I'll be the savior of earth! Oh wait, no, I'm gonna fail and that's gonna be Goku!
    That's truthfully a lot better then what happened to Yamcha

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    I think Toriyama only cares about Goku and Vegeta.

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    I think Toriyama only cares about Goku and Vegeta.
    And Bulma. He definitely seems to still care about Bulma.

    And him liking Vegeta must be a more recent trend because he clearly hated him during Z, given... basically everything Vegeta did or had done to him. He does work as a solid counterpoint to Goku, at least.

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    Focusing on a few specific characters and the movie's villain is also better for a movie format, which Super works on. Each arc is like a new movie.

    Still would be nice if Vegeta were occasionally swapped out to some other character or Goku took a backseat for a little bit at least.

    I still really like that Freeza and 17 were the final ones standing aside from Goku in the ToP.
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    I really like the idea of Broly or someone similar joining the Z Fighters and making a Saiyan Trio.

    Goku would be the balanced fighter, Vegeta focusing in speed and Broly being the stongest, but slowest fighter.

    And Trunks being the guy with the sword.

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    Give him a personality first before that happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KageKageKing View Post
    I really like the idea of Broly or someone similar joining the Z Fighters and making a Saiyan Trio.
    I know Gohan keeps getting shafted but come on!

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    LSSJ back to golden hair. And love his new outfit

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