+ Reply to Thread
Page 12 of 20 FirstFirst ... 2 10 11 12 13 14 ... LastLast
Results 221 to 240 of 389

Thread: Chapter 856: Liar

  1. #221

    Default Re: Chapter 856: Liar

    I had a theory about Lola and Chiffon replacing each other with the help of Pudding's power, but let's set that aside for a minute, because my brain just broke.

    Lola and Chiffon are the 21st and 22nd or the 22nd and 23rd children in the family. Based on Prospero (the eldest son) and Brulee (the eldest daughter we've seen so far) appearing to be in their late 50's - early 60's, We can assume that Lola and Chiffon are in their late 30's - Mid 40's.

    An indeterminate number of years ago, she ran away from an arranged marriage that would have made Big Mom (or gotten her closer to becoming) the Pirate King.

    Based on Pudding's flashback panel with Lola, she looked to be in her late teens, probably around 18-19.

    So, let's assume that Lola is 44 now. If she was 18 when she left Totto Land, that was 26 years ago.

    26 years ago was the year Roger was on the way to becoming Pirate King. This was also roughly 2 years before Ace was conceived.

    An indeterminate period of time ago, Big Mom made a "Mistake" in dealing with Roger that allowed him to get the Road Poneglyph info and continue to Raftel.

    Let's see:

    A "Mistake" was made that allowed Roger access to a very well guarded treasure of Big Mom's. In general, Totto Land is very highly patrolled and would be certain death for anyone attempting to enter uninvited unless they had a direct route, like the Sanji rescue crew did.

    Roger would need access to Whole Cake Chateau (and the Poneglyph) through other means than a direct assault.

    A Marriage was planned to form an alliance that would give Big Mom enough power to declare herself "Pirate King".

    As has been shown, Married family members and their crews/vassals are allowed free access to Whole Cake Island (The Firetank Pirates, the entire Germa Kingdom).

    So, what if... Roger pretended to agree to Marry Lola?
    I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

  2. #222
    Poker with Joker Roronoa Zacho's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Vienna Rock City, New World

    Default Re: Chapter 856: Liar

    Quote Originally Posted by Kdom View Post
    Yes that sums up pretty exactly my thoughts. A post time skip arc should not really have an arc where one of the earliest strawhat questions his place in the crew and is astonished when his captain says he will help him.
    The time skip meant that the crew trained for 2 years in order to allow Luffy to become the pirate king and a few days/months after their reunion, we have already a main character who pretend he will quit the crew. Even if it is for false reason and it was not Sanji true feelings that makes absolutely no sense for me story wise.
    I had similar thoughts about Sanji giving in himself to BM, yet I explained myself that also his guys in the Baratie are threatened, and the sheer distance makes it hard to protect 'em properly (that also explained his WTF-Face when Vito whispered in his ear @ Zou).
    His surprise this chapter really sumhow feels unfitting, but maybe he is just surprised that Luffy is willing to help him after what Sanji did to him and that Luffy is OK with Sanji's wish to save his mean Family. Maybe Sanji didn't know that Luffy saw the Kind Person in Sanji all the time. Cause - let's face it - On the Sunny Sanji treats Nami and Robin nicer than the others.

    --- Update From New Post Merge ---

    Quote Originally Posted by "Fire Fist" Ace View Post
    I had a theory (...)
    So, let's assume that Lola is 44 now. If she was 18 when she left Totto Land, that was 26 years ago.

    26 years ago was the year Roger was on the way to becoming Pirate King. This was also roughly 2 years before Ace was conceived.

    (...)
    So, what if... Roger pretended to agree to Marry Lola?
    That would make Pudding at least 30 yrs old. I'm not concerned with couples where the Girl is older, but I still doubt she is much older than Sanji.
    Maybe Lola was meant to marry Rayleigh or Scopper Gaban (I'd like to see him some day).
    Or a high-rank Elbaf-giant. BM really gets pissed when they are mentioned.

    --- Update From New Post Merge ---

    A possible outcome I could also imagine during the tea Party: When the tamatebako goes off, what if BM faints in Trauma and shock? I mean, she even dreams of the wedding cake, so when that cake explodes, there can be 2 Scenarios:
    -We'll either see an uncomparable outraged BM (survival-Chance for anyone: pretty low)
    -We'll see a fainting BM (kinda like Sugar), cause her precious wedding cake is gone for good (survival-Chance for anyone: higher than the one above)
    My imagination of Franky's (future) masterpiece: Sunny-Shogun

  3. #223

    Default Re: Chapter 856: Liar

    Quote Originally Posted by Roronoa Zacho View Post
    A possible outcome I could also imagine during the tea Party: When the tamatebako goes off, what if BM faints in Trauma and shock? I mean, she even dreams of the wedding cake, so when that cake explodes, there can be 2 Scenarios:
    -We'll either see an uncomparable outraged BM (survival-Chance for anyone: pretty low)
    -We'll see a fainting BM (kinda like Sugar), cause her precious wedding cake is gone for good (survival-Chance for anyone: higher than the one above)
    I think it'll be the former. Remember, Big Mom collects soul fragments from every citizen in Totto Land (minus her children, probably). She probably feeds a good portion of them into herself, meaning that she's either way older than she appears to be (meaning the Tamatebako would have no effect on her), or she's essentially immortal at this point but her physical appearance still ages (Like a reverse Dorian Gray). Either way, All the tamatebako will do is piss her off.
    I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

  4. #224
    Poker with Joker Roronoa Zacho's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Vienna Rock City, New World

    Default Re: Chapter 856: Liar

    Quote Originally Posted by "Fire Fist" Ace View Post
    I think it'll be the former. Remember, Big Mom collects soul fragments from every citizen in Totto Land (minus her children, probably). She probably feeds a good portion of them into herself, meaning that she's either way older than she appears to be (meaning the Tamatebako would have no effect on her), or she's essentially immortal at this point but her physical appearance still ages (Like a reverse Dorian Gray). Either way, All the tamatebako will do is piss her off.
    Storywise the former does make more sense to excite the audience. About your other Points, I gotta say: What about Zeus, Prometeus and Napoleon? She stated those are literally her souls in those items. Does that mean she Drains her own lifetime to feed them? She might be consuming the people's lifetimes for herself partially, like you said. Would explain how she Looks as Young as her 8th daughter Brulee (who seems already pretty old).
    My imagination of Franky's (future) masterpiece: Sunny-Shogun

  5. #225

    Default Re: Chapter 856: Liar

    Quote Originally Posted by Roronoa Zacho View Post
    Speakin of sweet commanders. I just found another similarity between Mr. 3 and Cracker. the 1st two things, that both can produce infinite amount of their stuff (wax and biscuit), then they both make the end of their hair burning. It was clear on Mr. 3, he just had to look like a candle, but it doesn't make sense to make Cracker's hairtails burn.
    The 3rd similarity that Ijust thought of is, that both of their "stuffs" have "weakpoints", but those "weakpoints" are opposite.
    With Mr. 3's wax the weakpoint was fire, whereas in Cracker's case the weakpoint to his biscuit was water.
    Coincidence?
    Oh, and both used an "Armor" of their "element" to stand their ground against Luffy.
    I'm pointing all that stuff out, cause the talk of this thread is about how "recycled" Sanji's line was (and the Hype-lvl of Bobbin). IMO Cracker is a "recycled" Mr. 3.
    There's a web of similarities between every character in One Piece. Saying Cracker is exactly the same as Galdino is short-selling both of their characters.

    And Cracker's sparking hair is simply a pun on firecracker.


    Spoiler:

  6. #226
    Discovered Stowaway Torao's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Location
    Germany

    Default Re: Chapter 856: Liar

    dont forget that in one piece people often dont look like their age. for all we know brulee could be around 30

  7. #227
    Poker with Joker Roronoa Zacho's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Vienna Rock City, New World

    Default Re: Chapter 856: Liar

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaido King of the Beasts View Post
    There's a web of similarities between every character in One Piece. Saying Cracker is exactly the same as Galdino is short-selling both of their characters.

    And Cracker's sparking hair is simply a pun on firecracker.
    I try to watch more closely if there is a non-logia df user who can produce an infinite amount of a certain stuff. (Magellan, 3, Kalifa and Cracker). And how Oda handled it that the Doru Doru no mi was a "Nemesis" to Magellan's Doku Doku no mi @ the end of ID. Even if it is a pun to a firecracker, the burning hair still reminds me of 3's hair. And the fact, that both produced "Body doubles" (Cracker used his giant fakes, but still) just makes me think they have a lot in common.
    Of course, the vast number of chars Oda has brought up Forces him to make similar chars, but IMO especially These 2 have a lot in common.
    My imagination of Franky's (future) masterpiece: Sunny-Shogun

  8. #228

    Default Re: Chapter 856: Liar

    Quote Originally Posted by Roronoa Zacho View Post

    A possible outcome I could also imagine during the tea Party: When the tamatebako goes off, what if BM faints in Trauma and shock? I mean, she even dreams of the wedding cake, so when that cake explodes, there can be 2 Scenarios:
    -We'll either see an uncomparable outraged BM (survival-Chance for anyone: pretty low)
    -We'll see a fainting BM (kinda like Sugar), cause her precious wedding cake is gone for good (survival-Chance for anyone: higher than the one above)
    In theory the vinsmokes and Sanji are killed before Big Mum eats the cake or open the tamatebako so something needs to happen before

  9. #229

    Default Re: Chapter 856: Liar

    Quote Originally Posted by Torao View Post
    dont forget that in one piece people often dont look like their age. for all we know brulee could be around 30
    Not likely. Considering Big Mom has 84 Children, and it has been established that pregnancies last as long as real world ones (Hence the emphasis on Rouge holding Ace for 20 months), And assuming Big Mom was at least 13 when she started having kids, the youngest she could reasonably be is 76 if none of the children were twins. The only possible twins we've seen are the two male children with balloons and possibly Lola and Chiffon, so shave off 18 months and she'd still be 74-75. That would place Prospero around 61-63, as the Eldest, and Brulee around 53-59 (depending on how many boys were born before her).
    I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

  10. #230

    Default Re: Chapter 856: Liar

    ^
    Naa...Big Mom has multiple uterus and quadruple ovaries.
    “When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.”


  11. #231
    Kick-Ass Finalis desa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Somewhere

    Default Re: Chapter 856: Liar

    Quote Originally Posted by Count Mario View Post
    That's exactly what I've been trying to say. And it makes sense that Sanji views his empathy as a weakness due to everything up until this point happening because of being extorted by his family, including his interactions with Luffy in their previous meeting. It doesn't help that he was criticized and abused so much by his family because he has compassion uncharacteristic of a royal in how he liked cooking food for others. And he thought that Luffy would judge him for that only to find out that Luffy's completely cool with who he is as a human being (which parallels how Sora and Reiju value Sanji's empathy). He just wanted Sanji to admit he needed help than recklessly sacrifice himself. Which was Sanji indirectly admitting he's expendable and him selfishly making the choice of the people he's trying to protect than even try to tell them about the situation before this chapter.

    Basically, Sanji thinks his emotions are a weakness when the message here is that it's what makes Sanji a cool person. Which is what Luffy sees in him and is helping him realize.
    And I believe he shouldn't have those doubts about Luffy after the time they spent together. He has known him for longer than 2 weeks.

    Don't mess with the Law if you don't have an Ace up your sleeve.

  12. #232
    Hawk D. Raven Sephi's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    Oklahoma (formerly Florida)

    Default Re: Chapter 856: Liar

    Bobbin defeated offscreen- extremely anticlimactic and aggravating. I'm actually annoyed by that.

    That aside? An okay chapter. Lacking in emotional impact for some reason. That said, very straight forward, get's everything into place. Just..not much happened. But, perhaps chapters like this one are necessary so I'll give it a pass in that regard.

    --- Update From New Post Merge ---

    Is it just me, or does Big Mom's crew suck?

    Don't get me wrong, Doflamingo's crew lost relatively easy too (Aside from Doflamingo himself) but COME ON! This is a yonko crew! We HAVE to have more than just Big Mom herself to impress us!

    This chapter we had bobbin fall relatively easy. (Sad considering their crew flag looks more like HIM than Big Mom..funny coincidence really.) To be fair, his bounty was low. He was a weakling by new world standards, if his bounty is any indication (though these days it's hard to be sure).

    But look back at the previous members and you'll see that they haven't been impressive so far either:

    Cracker fell to Luffy far too easily. This character might as well have been a joke villian. If this is a Yonko crew, Luffy should have a lot more trouble against one of the biggest members of a Yonko's crew! (Not saying he couldn't win, only that it shouldn't be as easy as it was.) Hell, the fight was rendered down to an eating joke of all things! Talk about anticlimactic!

    We haven't seen the rest's true potential yet...but going off of what we've seen so far from various members of the crew (admittedly mostly extras) and the hints we've gotten so far with Smoothie..

    I'm extremely worried that the Big Mom crew is just a big joke. Large in numbers, but severely lacking in power individually. (Aside from Big Mom herself, mind.) No wonder Capone could get a spot in it, they're nothing!
    Last edited by Sephi; February 17th, 2017 at 09:54 AM.
    I published an Epic Fantasy Novel!:
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/1542799449..._D3jYybVWR9N5V

  13. #233
    Someone call for Zeidoktor sgamer82's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Nampa, ID

    Default Re: Chapter 856: Liar

    Quote Originally Posted by Sephi View Post
    Cracker fell to Luffy far too easily. This character might as well have been a joke villian. If this is a Yonko crew, Luffy should have a lot more trouble against one of the biggest members of a Yonko's crew! (Not saying he couldn't win, only that it shouldn't be as easy as it was.) Hell, the fight was rendered down to an eating joke of all things! Talk about anticlimactic!
    I wouldn't call a twelve hour long battle that he explicitly won only because he had Nami with him and requiring Gear Fourth (I think twice?) as "falling far too easily"

    It was "tell don't show" at worst, but Cracker did not fall easily.

    Waldorf:
    You know Statler, after watching the last seven hundred episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.
    Statler: No you haven't.
    Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!

  14. #234

    Default Re: Chapter 856: Liar

    Quote Originally Posted by desa View Post
    And I believe he shouldn't have those doubts about Luffy after the time they spent together. He has known him for longer than 2 weeks.
    Just because Sanji knows that doesn't mean he can easily trump his tendency to be selfless and go out of his way to ensure that his friends will not be negatively affected by whatever happens to him. Sanji is so loyal and compassionate to others that watching them get killed because of him is probably his worst nightmare. Which is a result of Zeff's and Luffy's treatment of him compared to Judge's. Even Reiju revealing that his handcuffs were duds and the Zeff situation could be resolved didn't spur Sanji to action until Bobbin caused him to finally act out of emotion.

    Simply knowing something doesn't immediately make it easy to go against your true nature.

    --- Update From New Post Merge ---

    Quote Originally Posted by Sephi View Post
    Is it just me, or does Big Mom's crew suck?

    Don't get me wrong, Doflamingo's crew lost relatively easy too (Aside from Doflamingo himself) but COME ON! This is a yonko crew! We HAVE to have more than just Big Mom herself to impress us!
    Doflamingo's crew didn't lose relatively easy. Before Law's flashback, they were fighting quite evenly with the Straw Hats/Colosseum gladiators, and some of them were even dominating, like Machvise and Dellinger. The problem with all the Donquixote Pirate fights was that there were JUST SO MANY OF THEM. Plus, they also had wonky pacing with Law's giant flashback getting placed in between them. After that, getting them defeated became pretty much a necessity, and it took 9 chapters to do that since there were just so many! But overall, most weren't defeated easily at all.

    Numerous gladiators were taken out and didn't get to defeat anyone. Hajrudin had his arm shattered. Only maybe Sai, Orlumbus, and Cavendish escaped with few injuries. Diamante may have been a cheating bastard but he used his power effectively, as did Pica. It was the pacing that was the problem, not the strength of the pirates themselves.

    This chapter we had bobbin fall relatively easy. (Sad considering their crew flag looks more like HIM than Big Mom..funny coincidence really.) To be fair, his bounty was low. He was a weakling by new world standards, if his bounty is any indication (though these days it's hard to be sure)
    By an ambush. Kizaru would have been killed by Apoo's ambush on Sabaody if he wasn't a Logia. Even the strongest can fall prey to these, and it really shouldn't be used to measure how effective they are in battle.

    But look back at the previous members and you'll see that they haven't been impressive so far either:

    Cracker fell to Luffy far too easily. This character might as well have been a joke villian. If this is a Yonko crew, Luffy should have a lot more trouble against one of the biggest members of a Yonko's crew! (Not saying he couldn't win, only that it shouldn't be as easy as it was.) Hell, the fight was rendered down to an eating joke of all things! Talk about anticlimactic!
    Sgamer already addressed this, but yeah Cracker was far from easy. He used his power so effectively that Luffy would have never been able to overcome him without outside help.

    We haven't seen the rest's true potential yet...but going off of what we've seen so far from various members of the crew (admittedly mostly extras) and the hints we've gotten so far with Smoothie..
    So why are you making this conclusion already? First impressions are not everything, and you're making too big of a complaint with too little proof to back it up.

    I'm extremely worried that the Big Mom crew is just a big joke. Large in numbers, but severely lacking in power individually. (Aside from Big Mom herself, mind.) No wonder Capone could get a spot in it, they're nothing!
    Keep in mind that "individual power" means different things depending on who's involved. Many of the BM Pirates we've seen have been strong enough to tear through average people and massacre entire islands, but Luffy was able to fight on par with a Sweet Commander, so obviously he wouldn't be threatened by the lower ranking soldiers. The Straw Hats are competent enough to travel through the New World, and so of course they should be able to deal well with at least some of Big Mom's forces. The same was true for the other members of the Worst Generation. Expecting a Yonko's crew to be ENTIRELY above the current Straw Hats is a foolish misconception.

    Also, in addition to you making this statement with not very much evidence, what evidence you DO have is not very good. The biggest testament to how powerful the Big Mom Pirates are is that, aside from Cracker, the Straw Hats know just what situation they are in, and all the other enemies they've had to take out have been defeated through planning and ambushes. The only battle besides Cracker that was full-on and didn't involve planning was the battle against the Enraged Army, and you know how that went, right? If the Straw Hats simply took on the BM Pirates right now, even if you took out the Sweet Commanders and Big Mom herself, it would be pretty safe to say that they would lose.


    Spoiler:

  15. #235

    Default Re: Chapter 856: Liar

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaido King of the Beasts View Post
    stuff
    Are you working on updating the Love and Loathe?

  16. #236
    Saemon Havarian Razh's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Croatia

    Default Re: Chapter 856: Liar

    Quote Originally Posted by "Fire Fist" Ace View Post
    Not likely. Considering Big Mom has 84 Children, and it has been established that pregnancies last as long as real world ones (Hence the emphasis on Rouge holding Ace for 20 months), And assuming Big Mom was at least 13 when she started having kids, the youngest she could reasonably be is 76 if none of the children were twins. The only possible twins we've seen are the two male children with balloons and possibly Lola and Chiffon, so shave off 18 months and she'd still be 74-75. That would place Prospero around 61-63, as the Eldest, and Brulee around 53-59 (depending on how many boys were born before her).
    It was established normal pregnancies last 9 months, but BM might be pushing children out a little faster somehow. Or maybe they don't even grow inside her but in something like incubators created with the help of an ability. We only saw hints of her ability. For examples, those shades of hers were only shown once and have disappeared since. There migh be more uses of her ability.

    I'm only suggesting this due to sheer number of children.
    Quote Originally Posted by Outerspec View Post
    Trying to understand Bleach is like trying to drink a bottle of bleach.

    It makes no sense and you'll be dead before you're finished.

  17. #237
    Discovered Stowaway Torao's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Location
    Germany

    Default Re: Chapter 856: Liar

    also dont forget cracker and pounds conversation.
    pound says "i could be your father"
    and cracker answers "you could've been my original" so there is likely some of big moms df involved.

    meh, nevermind i looked up the original translation and its different
    Last edited by Torao; February 17th, 2017 at 12:42 PM.

  18. #238
    As eleGant as ever! Lao G's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    Moscow, Russia

    Default Re: Chapter 856: Liar

    Quote Originally Posted by Razh View Post
    It was established normal pregnancies last 9 months, but BM might be pushing children out a little faster somehow. Or maybe they don't even grow inside her but in something like incubators created with the help of an ability. We only saw hints of her ability. For examples, those shades of hers were only shown once and have disappeared since. There migh be more uses of her ability.

    I'm only suggesting this due to sheer number of children.
    Big Mom may just have a shitton of twins, triplets and maybe even quadruplets.
    Lola and Chiffon, the younger twins with the balloons, then the triplets (quadruplets?) in white suits we saw back at the minister gathering in 854 and that's only the ones we've seen. I'm sure we'll have tons of her kids revealed at the wedding, and I'm expecting a lot of twins and triplets, which might seem a little cheap but is far more realistic.
    In real life the woman with the most kids had countless triplets and twins. (couldn't find an article about the woman herself, found one about her husband though).
    Also, let's be honest, coming up with 85 arc-exclusive unique designs after 800+ chapters of the story is pretty tough even for someone as creative as Oda.

  19. #239

    Default Re: Chapter 856: Liar

    Quote Originally Posted by Strooger View Post
    Are you working on updating the Love and Loathe?
    Has it been 72 hours yet?


    Spoiler:

  20. #240
    Discovered Stowaway fuzi11's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2015
    Location
    Germany

    Default Re: Chapter 856: Liar

    regarding talking about ages and time and stuff.
    Like everyone else, I was amazed by Brook's line "young lady" to big mom, but after thinking about it. Is Big Mom actually older than Brook? I mean, she has, what?, more than 80 children? and some are old enough to have children of their own?
    Brook is 90 by now, so is Brook actually the young lad compared to Big Mom?

+ Reply to Thread

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

     

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts