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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorPhil View Post
    There are plenty of legitimate criticisms against her but parroting this russian agent nonsense, really
    She legit has a lot of russian ties, and keeps having talking points that are exactly what someone supporting Russia and trying to undermine the rest would say. She's also hanging out on Fox and mostly repeating republican talking points and is even being defended by Trump. Plus she's being heavily favored by russian bot trolls.

    I used the term "agent" as a joke, and that may be unfair, she hasn't necessarily made any back door agreements, but she's definitely a pawn at least that lines up perfectly with their interests.

    So no, she may not be a russian agent, but she sure as heck is doing exactly what one would do if they were. So the distinction doesn't matter much.
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    It is hard to imagine anyone being a better enabler of Putins interests than Trump. Whatever her links are i'd like to see her top torpedoing NATO, giving up strategic points to Russia and undermining relations with all traditional US allies. What is the next guy supposed to do? Give up the nuclear launch codes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfwood View Post
    It is hard to imagine anyone being a better enabler of Putins interests than Trump.
    Trump's time is limited, one way or another. Need to set up the next pieces ahead of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demon Rin View Post
    Honestly, everyone but Biden, Warren, Sanders and MAYBE Buttigieg need to drop out.
    Nah I think Biden and especially Sanders should hit the bricks.
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    I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green_vs_Red View Post
    Nah I think Biden and especially Sanders should hit the bricks.
    The difference is they have a chance at actually winning the primary. I took Rin's point as the hopeless contenders should drop out.

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    All personal qualities aside it feels like a soon to be 80 year old man has no business being in the running for such an office. Just in general your presidental candidates all seem hella old, like being 60+ is a requirment for running for office

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    https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday...2/04/day-1049/

    Day 1049: "Are you ready?"

    1/ Trump committed impeachable offenses, according to three constitutional scholars who testified during the House Judiciary Committee's first impeachment hearing into Trump's efforts to pressure Ukraine for political gain. Noah Feldman, a professor at Harvard, Michael Gerhardt, a professor at the University of North Carolina, and Pamela Karlan, a Stanford law professor, all agreed that Trump was guilty of "high crimes and misdemeanors" for soliciting foreign assistance and withholding a White House meeting and military assistance from Ukraine as leverage for political favors. Gerhardt added that Trump's actions toward Ukraine were worse than Richard Nixon's misconduct during Watergate. Karlan also told lawmakers that Trump's attempt to "strong arm a foreign leader" would not be considered politics as usual. Feldman, Gerhardt, and Karlan were invited to testify by the Democrats. Republicans also tapped their own law professor, Jonathan Turley, to testify, who suggested that the impeachment case is "slipshod" and premature. Turley also disagreed that Trump conditioning a White House meeting and releasing military aid on whether Ukraine would announce the investigations he wanted amounted to a bribe. (New York Times / Washington Post / NBC News)

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tru...ld-be-n1095631

    Quotable: "The very idea that a president might seek the aid of a foreign government in his re-election campaign would have horrified" America's Founding Fathers. –Pamela Karlan

    Quotable: "On the basis of the testimony and evidence before the House, President Trump has committed impeachable high crimes and misdemeanors by corruptly abusing the office of the presidency." –Noah Feldman

    Quotable: "The record compiled thus far shows that the president has committed several impeachable offenses, including bribery, abuse of power in soliciting a personal favor from a foreign leader to benefit his political campaign, obstructing Congress and obstructing justice." –Michael Gerhardt

    "Are you ready?" House Speaker Nancy Pelosi asked fellow Democrats during a closed-door Capitol meeting before the Judiciary Committee's proceedings began. While Pelosi didn't announce a firm decision or timeline for voting on Trump's impeachment, Democrats responded with a standing ovation, indicating they wanted to continue to press the inquiry. (Washington Post / Associated Press)

    https://apnews.com/fe334cf50d267b749874ddf1089ca6bd

    Takeaways from the Judiciary Committee's first impeachment hearing. (Washington Post / CNN)

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/04/polit...ays/index.html

    Live blogs: New York Times / ABC News / The Guardian / CNN / NBC News)

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/04/u...-hearings.html
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trum...ry?id=67471278
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...g-ukraine-2020
    https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...-19/index.html
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tru...ittee-n1095001

    2/ House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler suggested that Democrats could link Mueller's findings to the House's impeachment inquiry. Nadler's opening statement outlined how Trump met both the Mueller investigation and the Ukraine probe with "obstruction." Nadler added that "Trump welcomed foreign interference in the 2016 election," "demanded it for the 2020 election," and "In both cases, he got caught. And in both cases, he did everything in his power to prevent the American people from learning the truth about his conduct." (Politico)

    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...removal-075013

    A witness in the Mueller investigation was indicted along with seven other people on charges of conspiring to funnel $3.5 million in illegal campaign contributions. George Nader was charged along with a Lebanese businessman named Ahmad "Andy" Khawaja as part of a 53-count indictment for conspiring to secretly direct $3.5 million in campaign contributions to political committees associated with U.S. presidential candidates. Nader served as an adviser to the United Arab Emirates and an intermediary for members of the Trump campaign who wanted to make contacts in the Middle East. (Washington Post)

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...2b1_story.html

    3/ Trump called the House Intelligence Committee's impeachment report "a joke" and that "Everybody is saying it." Trump then cited "reviews" of the report by Fox News' opinion hosts who he had watched, saying that their takeaway is "a uniform statement pretty much right down the road" that the Democrats' investigation is "of no merit." (Politico / ABC News)

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trum...ry?id=67471278

    The Trump-Ukraine impeachment inquiry report, annotated. The House Intelligence Committee Democrats released a 300-page report outlining their impeachment inquiry into the conduct of Trump. (CNN)

    https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2019...ort-annotated/

    Day 1048: The House Intelligence Committee concluded that Trump tried to "use the powers of his office to solicit foreign interference on his behalf in the 2020 election." The 300-page impeachment report also asserts that Trump "placed his own personal and political interests" ahead of U.S. national interests, "subverted U.S. foreign policy toward Ukraine and undermined our national security in favor of two politically motivated investigations that would help his presidential re-election campaign." The report continues that "This continued solicitation of foreign interference in a U.S. election presents a clear and present danger that the president will continue to use the power of his office for his personal political gain." The Intelligence Committee is expected to approve the report along party lines Tuesday evening, ahead of the first impeachment hearing in the House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday. (New York Times / Politico / CNN / Bloomberg / NBC News / ABC News / Washington Post)

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tru...grave-n1094341

    4/ Rudy Giuliani traveled to Europe to meet with several former Ukrainian prosecutors in an effort to defend Trump against House Democrats' impeachment inquiry. Giuliani traveled to Budapest to meet with former Ukrainian prosecutor Yuriy Lutsenko, before going to Ukraine to meet with a number of other former prosecutors, including Viktor Shokin and Kostiantyn H. Kulyk. It was Giuliani's earlier interactions with some of the same Ukrainians that setup the impeachment inquiry in the first place and led to an investigation by federal prosecutors into whether Giuliani violated federal lobbying laws. (New York Times / CNN)

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/04/polit...s-documentary/

    Notables.

    The Trump administration approved a plan to end food stamp benefits for about 700,000 Americans. The new regulation will strictly enforcing federal work requirements and makes it harder for states to gain waivers from the requirement. It was the first of three rule changes that are expected to ultimately cut 3 million people from the food stamp rolls. (New York Times / NBC News / Bloomberg)

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ement-n1095726

    Attorney General William Barr suggested that "communities" who don't show "respect" the police could lose "the police protection they need," conflating protests of police misconduct with a disrespect for the police. (Washington Post / New York Times)

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...munities-race/

    The Department of Homeland Security is considering requiring all travelers be photographed entering or leaving the country – including American citizens – as part of an identification system using facial-recognition technology. (ABC News)

    https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wire...ports-67476028

    Senate Republicans confirmed Sarah Pitlyk to a lifetime seat on the federal judiciary despite her unanimous "not qualified" rating from the American Bar Association. Pitlyk also believes fertility treatment is having "grave effects on society." (HuffPost / Slate)

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sarah...3e6f89d850?ysd

    The Trump administration is considering deploying an additional 14,000 troops to the Middle East to counter Iran. The additional forces would join the roughly 14,000 U.S. service members sent to the region since May. (Wall Street Journal)

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-a...st-11575494228

    China warned the U.S that passing legislation criticizing the treatment of Uighur Muslims in China would affect negotiations to end the ongoing trade war. The UIGHUR Act of 2019 is currently awaiting approval in the Senate. The bill would require certain U.S. government agencies to report on the treatment of Uighurs at internment and re-education camps in Xinjiang. A spokesperson for the Chinese foreign ministry told reporters that "any wrong words and deeds" by the U.S. "must pay the due price." (Reuters)

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1Y72P6

    Trump met privately with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan for an unscheduled meeting on the sidelines of the NATO summit in London. They discussed trade, energy, and the importance that both countries fulfill their alliance commitments. The meeting was not open to U.S. media. (Bloomberg)

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ay-nato-update

    Trump abruptly canceled a planned news conference to cap the NATO's 70th anniversary meeting after being mocked by other world leaders. A video surfaced of Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, French President Emmanuel Macron, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, and Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte on a hot mic joking about Trump during a reception at Buckingham Palace. Trump called Trudeau "two-faced," before adding, "honestly with Trudeau, he's a nice guy." (CNN / CNBC / Washington Post / New York Times / The Guardian / Politico / BuzzFeed News)

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/04/polit...ato/index.html

    Trump made at least 21 false claims during the NATO meetings and turned the public portion of each of the three sessions into his own impromptu press conference. (CNN)

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/03/polit...erg/index.html

    Impeachment: What Happens Next.
    The House Judiciary Committee expected to announce a hearing for next week. The Democratic and GOP staff attorneys on the House Intelligence Committee are expected to present the findings of their investigations.

    The White House has a Friday deadline to decide about whether to participate in future hearings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgamer82 View Post
    The difference is they have a chance at actually winning the primary. I took Rin's point as the hopeless contenders should drop out.
    Oh I knew that but Biden is a mess and Sanders and his bandwagon already fucked up one election.
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    I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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    Biden's leading the polls and also has the actual core of the party (older black people) in his corner for now, he'd be a damn fool to drop out now especially before the primaries actually start.

    Bernie can totally go take a hike though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfwood View Post
    All personal qualities aside it feels like a soon to be 80 year old man has no business being in the running for such an office. Just in general your presidental candidates all seem hella old, like being 60+ is a requirment for running for office
    The gender dynamics in politics can't be better shown than Bernie surging in the polls after a fucking HEART ATTACK while Hillary's poll numbers plummeted after mild pneumonia.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyan D. Funk View Post
    Biden's leading the polls and also has the actual core of the party (older black people) in his corner for now, he'd be a damn fool to drop out now especially before the primaries actually start.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cyan D. Funk View Post
    Bernie can totally go take a hike though.
    I think I can count the attacks from trailing candidates on the frontrunner, who has been the frontrunner since they started polling sometime in 2017 (!), on one hand. Kamala and that guy who's always on Maher during the first debate and then Castro at a later debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgamer82 View Post
    https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday...2/04/day-1049/

    Day 1049: "Are you ready?"

    4/ Rudy Giuliani traveled to Europe to meet with several former Ukrainian prosecutors in an effort to defend Trump against House Democrats' impeachment inquiry. Giuliani traveled to Budapest to meet with former Ukrainian prosecutor Yuriy Lutsenko, before going to Ukraine to meet with a number of other former prosecutors, including Viktor Shokin and Kostiantyn H. Kulyk. It was Giuliani's earlier interactions with some of the same Ukrainians that setup the impeachment inquiry in the first place and led to an investigation by federal prosecutors into whether Giuliani violated federal lobbying laws. (New York Times / CNN)

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/04/polit...s-documentary/

    Trump abruptly canceled a planned news conference to cap the NATO's 70th anniversary meeting after being mocked by other world leaders. A video surfaced of Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, French President Emmanuel Macron, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, and Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte on a hot mic joking about Trump during a reception at Buckingham Palace. Trump called Trudeau "two-faced," before adding, "honestly with Trudeau, he's a nice guy." (CNN / CNBC / Washington Post / New York Times / The Guardian / Politico / BuzzFeed News)

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/04/polit...ato/index.html
    As much as I liked Karlan's verbal smack-downs over why Trump's conduct sucks, it really is best underscored by his private lawyer continuing to do the same crimes along with Trump removing himself from one big excuse to not participate in these proceedings.

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    Joe "I love children jumping on my lap and touching my hairy legs" Biden vs. Trump will be a disaster in debates. If Biden is the nominee it's a free win for Trump. Biden is legitimitely becoming senile which is obvious if you watch his speeches and insane gaffes.
    Last edited by DoctorPhil; December 4th, 2019 at 09:03 PM.

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    Old people like Biden. Younger people don't.

    But enough older people make up the early voting and polls...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgamer82 View Post
    53% of Republicans think Trump is a better leader than Lincoln; 47% said Lincoln was a better leader. Overall, 75% of Americans believe Lincoln was a better leader than Trump. (The Hill / Economist/YouGov)

    Oh dear God please tell me this is an exaggeration or a sick joke
    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    Old people like Biden. Younger people don't.

    But enough older people make up the early voting and polls...
    Don't older people make up the majority of voters too? I heard that's one of the reasons Hillary lost because most of the Millennials don't vote

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    Like, did they give reasons for why they think Trump is better than Lincoln?

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    If Trump was in Lincoln's place, we would have been re-conquered by the British.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfwood View Post
    All personal qualities aside it feels like a soon to be 80 year old man has no business being in the running for such an office. Just in general your presidental candidates all seem hella old, like being 60+ is a requirment for running for office
    Technically it's 35, but yes we've all noticed our candidates are freaking old. Don't know how that happened exactly, especially when Obama was so young, but here we are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JazzMazz View Post
    Like, did they give reasons for why they think Trump is better than Lincoln?
    It basically amounts to "Sure, he freed the slaves but what good does that do me?"
    Complicating things since 2009.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiebs View Post
    Oh dear God please tell me this is an exaggeration or a sick joke
    The numbers are misleading because of a lot of factors.

    1-it's polled republicans, and a lot of these polls try to go from favorable districts so they can get higher numbers
    2-lots of people that were republicans 3 years ago aren't now, so they would't apply to the questionaire
    3-they weed it down more to "eligible voters" and then further to "likely voters".

    Basically they set up the first poll questions in order to get the audience they want responding.

    That's how they're able to get Trump a 92% approval rating "among the party" when 90% of the country either doesn't care or actively dislikes him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny B. Decent View Post
    If Trump was in Lincoln's place, we would have been re-conquered by the British.
    General Cornwallis is a great guy says Trump.

    Now i want to see the art of the deal - Time machine edition.

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