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    I ll just wait and see how Trump´s gonna get gradually more and more vocal about immigrants and people of color in general as elections aproach by. while Takto denies it has anything to do with racism.

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    I ll just wait and see how Trump´s gonna get gradually more and more vocal about immigrants and people of color in general as elections aproach by. while Takto denies it has anything to do with racism.
    Actually, that word, plus Nazi, became meaningless to me. So overused and repetetive. If Trump is racist and a Nazi, then it seems that a certain one was not as bad as history books say he was.

    Firstly, there are many people with colour whom support trump. And that support rose over the years quite a bit.
    Secondly, Trump does not decide who gets deported and who stays. Judges do...since decades. In trumps presidency, way less people got deported than in Obamas presidency. If ICE goes ahead with its 1 million deportions, then it can compete.
    Thirdly, their main focus for now are criminals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takto View Post
    Firstly, there are many people with colour whom support trump.
    Trump didn't even win the hispanic vote in 2016, apparently got something like 29% of the Asian vote which means he didn't win them either, and you can pretty much fashion a guess as to how much of the black vote he got. Trump's support among those groups may (or may not) be there but that means very little with regards to whether that support will turn into votes come 2020.

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    Secondly, Trump does not decide who gets deported and who stays. Judges do...since decades.
    .....Judges many of whom he's nominated?

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    In trumps presidency, way less people got deported than in Obamas presidency.
    So you agree that whenever a Republican (Trump included) insists that Obama was weak on deportations they're telling blatant lies on the subject?
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    I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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    Takto, are you even American?

    I ask because I seriously don’t think I’ve ever seen someone from the US spell the word “colour” before.

    edit: And, let's be real, "racist" and "Nazi" are words that carry legitimate meaning, especially in today's world. You're definitely trying to muddy the waters here, and I think that's evidence that you're not only uninterested in serious debate about this subject but also that you're actually interested in confusing the issues for others who may be reading.
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    A good look into WHY some women would ever support Trump:
    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...HG4OBuyP9aIiKI

    Hint: education is a part of it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Satsuki View Post
    A good look into WHY some women would ever support Trump:
    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...HG4OBuyP9aIiKI

    Hint: education is a part of it.

    Maybe some but definitely a minority. The writer is definitely using her experience as a cult survivor and projecting it on women. In my experience, Christian women voted for Trump for very singular issues. Abortion ect...she quoted bible verses a few too many times for me to take her article seriously. Maybe its relevant for women in cults, but that's a little much. Republicans "supporting" life is all that matters for many Christian people, regardless of policy.

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    Illinois GOP group deletes post depicting Democratic congresswomen as 'The Jihad Squad' – The group's president says he regrets that the Facebook post was a "distraction" from discussions about the four "socialist" lawmakers.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...squad-n1032181

    Trump proposed a 'white vs black contestants' season of 'The Apprentice' in a recently resurfaced recording – Trump believed it would be the highest-rated show on TV. According to The New York Times, NBC executives instantly rejected his proposal.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/dona...rentice-2019-7

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgamer82 View Post
    Illinois GOP group deletes post depicting Democratic congresswomen as 'The Jihad Squad' – The group's president says he regrets that the Facebook post was a "distraction" from discussions about the four "socialist" lawmakers.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...squad-n1032181

    Trump proposed a 'white vs black contestants' season of 'The Apprentice' in a recently resurfaced recording – Trump believed it would be the highest-rated show on TV. According to The New York Times, NBC executives instantly rejected his proposal.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/dona...rentice-2019-7
    On the GOP and their use of the word "Socialism", I'll just leave this quote by Harry Truman here:
    "Socialism is a scare word they have hurled at every advance the people have made in the last 20 years. Socailism is what they called public power. Socialism is what they called Social Security. Socialism is what they called farm price support. Socialism is what they called bank deposit insurance. Socialism is what they called free and independent labor organizations. Socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people."

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    Democrats agreed to lift the debt ceiling without a fight until 2021, when there might be a Democratic president and Republicans can cripple that administration again with dramatic cuts like they did in 2011.

    Some galaxy brain negotiating going on here.

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    https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday...07/22/day-914/

    Day 914: An unindicted co-conspirator.

    1/ The Trump administration plans to use a fast-track deportation process to bypass immigration judges in order to quickly deport undocumented immigrants who have illegally entered the U.S. within the past two years. Previously, the policy for "expedited removal" had been limited to migrants caught within 100 miles of the U.S. border who had been in the country for less than two weeks. The Department of Homeland Security defended the shift, saying the new plan will ease the backlogged immigration courts by allowing ICE to deport unauthorized immigrants without placing them in "timeconsuming removal proceedings." Expedited removals will take effect immediately. (Washington Post / CBS News / New York Times)
    • Trump wants to meet with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer "ASAP" to discuss conditions at the U.S.-Mexico border after Schumer took a tour of migrant detention facilities and called them "inhumane." (Washington Post)
    2/ House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler said there is "very substantial evidence" in Robert Mueller's report that Trump is "guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors." House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff added that it was "clear" that the Justice Department feels bound by an Office of Legal Counsel opinion that prevents indicting a sitting president, alleging that Trump "is an essentially unindicted co-conspirator." The House Judiciary Committee would be in charge of leading impeachment proceedings if the House decided to move forward with articles of impeachment. Mueller is scheduled to testify on July 24th in front of both the House Judiciary and Intelligence Committees in back-to-back public hearings, where he will answer questions about the contents of his report and his 22-month-long investigation. (CNN / Politico / Washington Post)
    3/ Trump doesn't think Mueller should be allowed to testify before Congress about his ties to Russia and possible obstruction of justice. Trump tweeted that "Mueller should not be given another bite at the apple," because "in the end it will be bad for him." Trump also complained that the "phony Democrats" in Congress "have done nothing but waste time on this ridiculous Witch Hunt," and again called for investigations into Hillary Clinton instead of himself and his campaign. (Washington Post / The Independent / Politico)
    • Inside the preparations for Mueller's testimony. (Politico)
    • 19 questions for Mueller ahead of his congressional testimony. (New York Times)
    4/ Mueller will offer his entire 448-page report as his official statement when he testifies Wednesday before the House Judiciary and Intelligence Committees. Justice Department officials have reportedly told Mueller that the department expects him to limit his congressional testimony to the public findings in his report, arguing that anything outside the report is covered by "presidential privilege" that hasn't been waived. Mueller will have a brief opening statement, which hasn't been seen by the Justice Department. (NBC News / Politico / CNN)
    5/ Trump's campaign and the Republican National Committee have paid more than $600,000 in legal fees to the law firm that represents Hope Hicks. The House Judiciary Committee is reexamining the truthfulness of Hicks's mid-June testimony after unsealed court documents revealed that she was in close contact with Michael Cohen as he was negotiating a hush money payment with Stormy Daniels to keep her quiet about an alleged affair with Trump. (CNN)
    • Day 911: The House Judiciary Committee asked Hope Hicks to clarify her congressional testimony after newly unsealed documents showed "apparent inconsistencies." The documents reveal that Hicks spoke on the phone with Trump and Michael Cohen about Stormy Daniels and the Trump campaign's attempt to stop Daniels from going public with the allegations about an affair with Trump. Hicks originally stated that she "had no knowledge of Stormy Daniels other than to say she was going to be mentioned in the story." Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler said the new documents "raises substantial questions about the accuracy" of Hicks' original statements. (CNN / NBC News / Politico / Vox)
    6/ A federal judge blocked congressional subpoenas for Trump Organization financial records in a lawsuit over whether Trump is violating the emoluments clause of the Constitution. Democrats sent 37 subpoenas earlier this month seeking financial information about Mar-a-Lago, the Trump International Hotel, Trump Tower and other Trump properties. The subpoenas had a due date of July 29th. Judge Emmet Sullivan made the decision after the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit said it should hear the case. (CNN)
    • The Trump National Doral is one of the finalists to host the G7 summit next year. (Axios)
    poll/ 59% of Americans disagree with Trump that the four Democratic congresswomen of color should "go back" to their countries, while 40% agree with Trump's comment. (CBS News)
    poll/ 52% of Americans disapprove of the job Trump is doing as president; 44% approve. (NPR)
    poll/ 54% of voters in 11 southern states either "strongly approve" or "somewhat approve" of the way Trump's handling his job – up from 52% approval from September of last year. (NBC News)
    study/ 45% of the Fortune 500 companies in the U.S. were founded by immigrants and their children. The same study also found that that number is growing, despite claims that immigration leads to lower wages and fewer jobs for American citizens. The Fortune 500 companies examined in the study brought in a combined $1.6 trillion in annual revenue last year, and employed 13.5 million people. On average, the companies founded by immigrants also employed 11% more people than the Fortune 500 companies with non-immigrant founders. (Axios)

    Notables.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiolino View Post
    Democrats agreed to lift the debt ceiling without a fight until 2021, when there might be a Democratic president and Republicans can cripple that administration again with dramatic cuts like they did in 2011.


    Some galaxy brain negotiating going on here.
    For context:

    1. The White House and congressional negotiators reached a two-year budget deal that would raise the spending cap by $320 billion and suspend the debt ceiling until after the next presidential election. The House must approve the agreement before members leave July 26th for a six-week recess. The Senate, meanwhile, can put vote on it next week. The measure will also need Trump's signature and he didn't explicitly say he'll sign it, but called it a "real compromise." (Washington Post / New York Times / Wall Street Journal / Bloomberg / Politico)
    2. Trump "offered to personally vouch" for rapper A$AP Rocky's bail. Trump tweeted that during "a very good call" with Prime Minister Stefan Lofven, he "assured him that A$AP was not a flight risk." The artist has been in custody since early this month over an alleged fight. Trump became involved after Kim Kardashian West contacted Jared Kushner. (Associated Press)
    3. A Republican political organization in Illinois posted and then deleted a movie-style poster depicting the four congresswomen of color who have been attacked by Trump as "The Jihad Squad." The poster included the slogan, "Political Jihad Is Their Game," and depicted Rep. Ayanna Pressley aiming a gun with a smile on her face. (Chicago Tribune / NBC News)
    4. A Louisiana police officer posted on Facebook that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez "needs a round."Charlie Rispoli was replying to a post by a satirical website with the headline "Ocasio-Cortez on the Budget: 'We Pay Soldiers Too Much.'" Officials in the city where the officer works condemned his comment, but said they weren't sure it constituted a threat. (New York Times)
    5. Stephen Miller defended Trump's tweets and campaign rally where the crowd chanted "send her back." Miller called labeling Trump's behavior "racist" a tactic "deployed by the left" used to "silence and punish and suppress people they disagree with." (Washington Post / USA Today)
    6. Trump claimed that he could easily "wipe" Afghanistan "off the face of the earth," but doesn't "want to go that route" because he'd have to "kill 10 million people." (Daily Beast / Vox)

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    How magnanimous of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgamer82 View Post
    1. Stephen Miller defended Trump's tweets and campaign rally where the crowd chanted "send her back." Miller called labeling Trump's behavior "racist" a tactic "deployed by the left" used to "silence and punish and suppress people they disagree with." (Washington Post / USA Today)
    How does he as a jewish man feel about Israel's habit of attacking anyone who disagrees with their shitty actions towards Palestinians as being anti semites?


    Quote Originally Posted by sgamer82 View Post
    1. Trump claimed that he could easily "wipe" Afghanistan "off the face of the earth," but doesn't "want to go that route" because he'd have to "kill 10 million people." (Daily Beast / Vox)
    Russians couldn't do it, Bush couldn't do it, what's next after that trying to conquer the vietnamese and the Russians during the winter months.
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    I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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    lol I was just at newbury comics and they had an alexandria ocasio-cortez comic book

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    Russians couldn't do it, Bush couldn't do it, what's next after that trying to conquer the vietnamese and the Russians during the winter months.
    Don't be silly, Trump would never attack Russia. Putin would scold him if he did.

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    ^ Hey Stalin thought the same about Hitler.
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    I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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    ^ Hey Stalin thought the same about Hitler.
    But were Stalin and Hitler as cozy as Trump and Putin are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgamer82 View Post
    But were Stalin and Hitler as cozy as Trump and Putin are?
    I mean I'm not aware of any instances of Stalin swearing at every turn that Hitler was on the level and trustworthy despite all evidence to the contrary. And I don't know of Stalin purposefully doing a myriad of idiotic things that benefited Germany and weakened Russia's status in the world.

    Though him ignoring his own intelligence agencies warning him of Germany's invasion isn't too dissimilar from Trump (who would be Stalin in this case instead of Putin) ignoring his own intelligence agencies of Russia interfering in the 2016 election isn't too dissimilar.
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    I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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    https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2019/07/23/day-915/

    Day 915: Still at it.

    1/ Trump sued the House Ways and Means Committee and the New York state officials to block his state tax returns from being turned over to the committee. In May, New York passed a bill that allowed the Ways and Means Committee chairman to obtainTrump's state tax returns. The lawsuit seeks an injunction to would block the application of the new state law. (CNBC / Wall Street Journal / CNN)
    • 📌 Day 900: New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed a bill allowing congressional committees to access Trump's New York state tax returns. The bill requires state tax officials to release the state returns for any "specified and legitimate legislative purpose" on the request of the House Ways and Means Committee, the Senate Finance Committee, or the Joint Committee on Taxation. Trump's personal lawyer, Jay Sekulow, called the bill "more presidential harassment." The House Ways and Means Committee has unsuccessfully tried to access six years of Trump's personal and business tax returns. The House sued the Treasury Department and the Internal Revenue Service last week to try to force them to release the returns. (New York Times / NBC News)
    2/ The Trump administration proposed ending food stamp benefits for 3.1 million people by tightening eligibility and automatic enrollment. The current rule allows residents in 43 states to be automatically eligible for food stamps through the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) if they receive benefits from the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program. The new rule would require people who receive TANF benefits to pass a review of their income and assets to determine whether they are eligible to receive food from SNAP. Removing 3.1 million people from SNAP would save the federal government about $2.5 billion a year. About 40 million low-income people received SNAP benefits in 2018. (Reuters / Bloomberg / CNN / Washington Post)
    3/ Trump is on track to add another $1 trillion dollars to the national deficit this year after endorsing the two-year bipartisan budget deal that will raise spending limits by $320 billion and allow the government to keep borrowing money. Republicans say the deal will add too much to the debt while some Democrats are upset that Trump is not prevented from using money from military programs to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. (Politico / New York Times / Washington Post)
    • Trump's rhetorical appeals to white working-class voters during the 2016 campaign have not been matched with legislative accomplishments aimed at their economic interests. Since becoming president, Trump has signed taxes that benefitted companies and the wealthy, rolled back regulations on corporations, and appointed administration officials and judges from the conservative movement. (New York Times)
    4/ More than 180 human rights groups and 22 senators demanded that the Trump administration's new Commission on Unalienable Rights be abolished. Letters to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo accuse the 10-member commission of being overseen by clergy and scholars "known for extreme positions opposing LGBTQI and reproductive rights," including some who they say have defended "indefensible human rights violations." Pompeo launched the commission earlier this month to, he claimed, "provide fresh thinking" about returning the government's focus to promoting "natural law and natural rights." (NBC News)
    5/ Robert Mueller will have one of his aides sit alongside him during his House Judiciary Committee hearing on Wednesday. Aaron Zebley will not be under oath or allowed to answer lawmakers' questions directly, but he can privately consult with Mueller if the former special counsel needs assistance or guidance about how to respond during the hearing. It's unclear if Mueller made a similar request to the House Intelligence Committee. (New York Times / ABC News / Washington Post)
    • Jerry Nadler called Trump's Justice Department "incredibly arrogant" after instructing Mueller to limit the scope of his congressional testimony. The House Judiciary Committee chairman added that "It's a part of the ongoing cover-up by the administration to keep information away from the American people." Mueller will appear before the House Judiciary Committee at 8:30 a.m. on Wednesday for about three hours and will then appear before the House Intelligence Committee at noon for about two hours. (Politico / Washington Post)
    • Trump said he might watch a "little bit" of Mueller's public testimony this week. (NBC News)
    • poll/ 18% of Republicans said they planned to watch Mueller's testimony, 60% said they would not watch, with the rest unsure. 31% of Republicans considered it "very" or "somewhat" important that Mueller was scheduled to testify this week. (Reuters)

    Notables.

    1. FBI Director Christopher Wray said Russia is "absolutely intent" on interfering in the 2020 presidential election despite sanctions and other efforts. "My view is until they stop they haven't been deterred enough," Wray told Lindsey Graham during a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing. Graham had asked Wray if "they're still at" despite "all the sanctions, all the talk." (Reuters)
    2. Trump met with Devin Nunes to discuss possible replacements for Director of National Intelligence Dan Coates. Some intelligence officials believe Trump is considering Nunes for an intelligence post. Coates' job security has been up in the air since he contradicted Trump in statements he made about North Korea, Iran, and Syria. (Politico)
    3. The Senate confirmed Mark Esper as defense secretary. The Pentagon has been without a permanent leader since Jim Mattis resigned last year over policy disagreements with Trump. (Washington Post / New York Times / Wall Street Journal)
    4. Trump threatened Guatemala with tariffs and other retaliation for backing away from a planned "safe third country" agreement with the U.S., which would have required Central American migrants traveling into Guatemala to claim asylum there instead of elsewhere. Trump warned that his administration would explore imposing a "ban," tariffs, remittance fees or some combination of all three. (Politico / Washington Post)
    5. Trump's nominee to be ambassador to the United Nations spent the equivalent of seven months of her 20-month tenure as ambassador to Canada in places where she had homes. Kelly Craft came under fire for her absences from the embassy in Ottawa after Federal Aviation Administration records showed her family plane had made weekly roundtrips to the United States. (Politico)
    6. The Senate passed a bill to make the 9/11 victims compensation fund permanent. The bill now heads to Trump's desk, where he is expected to sign it. The bill was passed with the support of more than two-thirds of the House and Senate, meaning Congress could override a veto if Trump objected. (ABC News / NBC News)
    7. The FBI recorded about 90 domestic terrorism arrests in the past nine months and about 100 international terrorism arrests. Most of the domestic terrorism cases involved a racial motive believed to be spurred by white supremacy. (Washington Post)
    8. The lawyers for the "MAGA Bomber" claimed his client was manipulated by Fox News, Trump's tweets, and Facebook. Cesar Sayoc previously pleaded guilty to mailing 16 pipe bombs to Trump's political opponents, news outlets, and other public figures in October. Sayoc watched "Fox News religiously at the gym" and planned his "workout to coincide with Fox and Friends and his evenings to dovetail with Hannity." Sayoc's attorneys added that "a rational observer may have brushed off Trump's tweets as hyperbole, but Mr. Sayoc took them to heart." (Daily Beast / Washington Post / HuffPost)

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    2/ The Trump administration proposed ending food stamp benefits for 3.1 million people by tightening eligibility and automatic enrollment. The current rule allows residents in 43 states to be automatically eligible for food stamps through the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) if they receive benefits from the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program. The new rule would require people who receive TANF benefits to pass a review of their income and assets to determine whether they are eligible to receive food from SNAP. Removing 3.1 million people from SNAP would save the federal government about $2.5 billion a year. About 40 million low-income people received SNAP benefits in 2018. (Reuters / Bloomberg / CNN / Washington Post)
    I read something about millionaires getting on foodstamps, but is there any truth to it? Can someone explain to me more about how TANK works? I am absolutely fine with getting food stamps by how much you make, and not assets. I just want to understand where the hell the fear tactics of millionaires are getting on foodstamps is coming from. Seems something is missing, as I watched a video talking about it, about some MO rich dude who was retired. I feel like there is something not being told about this. I only saw it on a right wing site, but other sources all say the same thing minus this. I just want to understand the full picture. Thank you in advance!

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    LIEU (D-CA): The reason, again, that you did not indict Donald Trump is because of the OLC opinion stating that you cannot indict a sitting president, correct?

    MUELLER: That is correct.
    Congressman (R): Could you charge the President with a crime after he left office?

    MUELLER: Yes.

    Congressman: You believe that he committed, that you could charge the President of the United States with Obstruction of justice after he left office?"

    MUELLER: Yes.
    Unless something else hits in the next bit, those are going to be the big soundbytes we hear over and over on the news tonight. Along with Mueller saying that lies by Trump-connected witnesses "impeded" His Criminal Investigation, "doesn't disagree" that if a hostile foreign nation knows a president has lied and that fact isn't publicly known, that hostile power can use that information to "blackmail" the President of the United States.

    Late night shows might play with some of the insane republican rants.


    Like, this was all in the report, but the length and legalese of it, combined with Barr intentionally muddying the conclusion mean a lot of people didn't get that. Combined with Mueller not wanting to break the system or accidentally contradict the deliberate legalese of the report, up till now e hasn't made that clear. But we've got the clips now, very straifghtforward yes answers with no room for confusion.
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