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    Fun fact: Gabbard has a more conservative voting record than Beto, yet Bernie fans hate the latter while cheering the former.

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    https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2019/01/11/day-722/

    Day 722: Embarrassing

    1/ The government shutdown entered day 21 as Congress left for the weekend following another round of stalled negotiations to end the shutdown ensuring that the partial government shutdown will become the longest in history. The House and Senate, however, both passed a measure to ensure that federal workers who are furloughed receive back pay once the government reopens, which now goes to Trump for his signature. The House also passed another bill to reopen more government departments, but is likely DOA in the Senate because of a veto threat from Trump. The second-longest shutdown stretched for 21 days from December 1995 until January 1996, due to a dispute between Bill Clinton and the Republican-led Congress at the time. (CNN / Politico / Washington Post / Associated Press)
    2/ An estimated 800,000 federal employees missed their first paycheck due to the shutdown. In particular, more than 24,000 FAA employees, including air traffic controllers, are working without pay, since their positions are considered vital for "life and safety," and more than 17,000 other have been furloughed told to stop doing their jobs. (NBC News / CNN/ Washington Post / New York Times)
    • Federal crop payments have stopped flowing to farmers, who say they cannot get federally-backed operating loans to buy seed for their spring planting, or feed for their livestock because of the shutdown. Farmers also can't look up government data about beef prices or soybean yields to make decisions about planting and selling their goods. Some farmers have said the loss of loans, payments and other services has pushed them to a breaking point. (New York Times)
    • The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has curtailed inspections due to the shutdown, while the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry has suspended health exposure assessments. Cash assistance to buy groceries are funded through February. (The Guardian)
    • White House economic adviser Kevin Hassett compared the shutdown to getting a free "vacation" for furloughed workers and that they might be "better off" after they return to work. (Politico)
    3/ The Trump administration is laying the groundwork to declare a national emergency and possibly using a portion of the Army's $13.9 billion disaster fund to pay for his border wall. The money is meant to fund civil works projects, including repairing storm-damaged areas of Puerto Rico through 2020. Jared Kushner, meanwhile, has urged Trump to try to find other approaches than declaring a national emergency, but said an emergency should be invoked only if it creates a clear path for the White House to build the wall. Democrats are exploring both legislative and legal options to challenge a possible national emergency declaration. (NBC News / New York Times / Washington Post / Wall Street Journal / The Guardian)
    • UPDATE: Trump said he is not looking to declare a national emergency "right now" for his border wall, a day after suggesting he would "probably" do so. Trump instead urged "Congress to do its job" and vote, again, on funding for the wall. Yesterday, Trump claimed his lawyers had told him that a national emergency declaration allowing him to bypass Democrats in Congress would hold up to legal scrutiny "100%." (Washington Post / The Guardian)
    4/ Trump falsely denied that he ever promised that Mexico would "write out a check" for his border wall, except he did: at least 212 times during the campaign and more since taking office. In a March 2016 memo, Trump outlined that Mexico would "make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion" for the wall. Trump has more recently resorted to a baseless claim that Mexico will now indirectly pay for the wall through the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement, which has not been ratified by Congress, and contains no provisions earmarking money for the wall. (Washington Post / New York Times)
    poll/ 74% of Americans call the shutdown "embarrassing," with 72% saying the shutdown is going to hurt the country. (NPR)
    poll/ 51% of adults believe Trump "deserves most of the blame" for the shutdown. (Reuters)
    poll/ 39% of Americans favor building a wall, while 59.1% oppose it. Among Republicans, 74.1% favor a wall, while 85.4% of Democrats oppose it. (Washington Post)

    ✏️Notables.
    1. The U.S. began withdrawing some equipment but not troops from Syria. Military officials have refused to provide details about specific timetables or movements, but a spokesperson said "the process of our deliberate withdrawal from Syria" has begun. He continued: "Out of concern for operational security, we will not discuss specific timelines, locations or troops movement." The number of troops or vehicles that have been withdrawn also remains unknown at this time. (Associated Press / ABC News / New York Times)
    2. The United States approved thousands of child bride requests over the past decade. From 2007 through 2017, there were 5,556 approvals for those seeking to bring minor spouses or fiancees, and 2,926 approvals by minors seeking to bring in older spouses. The Immigration and Nationality Act does not set minimum age requirements, and U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services goes by whether the marriage is legal in the home country. (Associated Press)
    3. Rudy Giuliani thinks Trump's legal team should be allowed to "correct" Robert Mueller's final report before Congress or the American people get the chance to read it. Giuliani went on to call it "a matter of fairness," because the special counsel "could be wrong." (The Hill)
    4. Steve King doesn't understand why the phrases "white nationalist" and "white supremacist" have "become offensive." The nine-term Iowa Republican and Trump ally declared himself an "American nationalist" in a statement while defending his support of "western civilization's values." (New York Times / Politico / The Guardian)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyan D. Funk View Post
    Gabbard is an awful person who commands the loyalty of a certain subsection of the American left for some reason.
    Welp .

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiolino View Post
    Fun fact: Gabbard has a more conservative voting record than Beto, yet Bernie fans hate the latter while cheering the former.
    Irrationally (and ironically) hating or criticizing what they don't fully understand seems to be a recurring them amongst Bernie fans.
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    I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green_vs_Red View Post
    Irrationally (and ironically) hating or criticizing what they don't fully understand seems to be a recurring them amongst Bernie fans.
    Fun coincidence, getting a taste of that with the other board I follow political stuff on as a "Bernie Bro" type is trying to deflect the criticisms towards him... badly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiolino View Post
    Fun fact: Gabbard has a more conservative voting record than Beto, yet Bernie fans hate the latter while cheering the former.
    They know Beto is a viable candidate and is a threat to Bernie in the Primary as a result. Gabbard is neither.
    Complicating things since 2009.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiolino View Post
    Fun fact: Gabbard has a more conservative voting record than Beto, yet Bernie fans hate the latter while cheering the former.
    She's also in a safe as hell district so she doesn't have the Manchin Excuse.


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    there's genuinely nothing more confusing to me than the mind of a bernie fan in this day and age

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    I liked Bernie. I wanted him to be the guy. And if he was younger, I'd be all for him running again. But he's going to be 77 next year. He's not the one, get over it guys.

    Also I'm really tired of the "the DNC rigged it for Hillary" nonsense. She won like 35 states and was ahead by millions of votes, like 60% of the total popular votes. Even without super delegates, she handily beat Bernie. Yeah, she was the better known name, but that was the case when she was against Obama 8 years earlier as well. Bernie then stayed in far too long and damaged her campaign after Trump became the official guy for the Republicans.

    (And we've learned since the Russian bots were also supporting Bernie and Stein to draw support off Hillary. So...)
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    Poor Bernie. Let the poor man rest before his final days.

    That said, it would have been wonderful to finally have a Jewish president.

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    I'd like to put in a request for a new poltics thread since 821 pages is rather high. Maybe at the official two year mark?

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    It gets a new thread when there's something worth making a new one over, a tangible legitimate splitting point. Otherwise not really any point in doing a new one.
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    The Mid-Terms would have been the natural time for a new thread. Right now, there doesn't seem like much point before this summer when things will really start ramping up for next year. Well, barring Trump dropping dead or resigning.

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    (And we've learned since the Russian bots were also supporting Bernie and Stein to draw support off Hillary. So...)
    Since? We knew that by June of 2016.
    Complicating things since 2009.

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    Aaaaand this is officially the longest shutdown in US history. Quite the legacy you're leaving behind, Trump.

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    I stumbled on this in google news. I'm not that surprised considering the source, but now I just want to know when and how this photo was taken.

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    All Gabbard is doing is hurting the party. She's simply giving Trump ammunition to point to and say "Look at this controversial politician, the Liberals can't even put a good candidate forward".

    Does it matter that it's hypocritical of Trump and the GOP? Nope. Does it matter that there are more progressive and qualified Dems running? Nope. For the ridiculous "both sides" portion of voters, this simply gives them reason to consider "Hmm, Maybe Trump isn't so bad".

    Given that the only voters who WOULD be undecided between virtually anyone and Trump are people ignoring the damage of the GOP, it doesn't say much. But it speaks volumes of Gabbard that she's willing to possibly be the Jill Stein of 2020.

    And given her Pro-Russia stance, as Robby stated, It's almost certain we'll see the Russian bot force in support of her.

    Fuck her.
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    Given all the political cartoons I'm seeing lately, my new name for the Angry Orange here is "Trumpty Dumpty".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubiq View Post
    Since? We knew that by June of 2016.
    There's some difference between "we know because its blatantly obvious" and "we know, backed up with evidence and court filings."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Md-Martin View Post
    All Gabbard is doing is hurting the party. She's simply giving Trump ammunition to point to and say "Look at this controversial politician, the Liberals can't even put a good candidate forward".
    You can call me out on this if I'm completely wrong later, but I really doubt Tulsi's going to drive the needle much in any regard when it comes to the media cycles on the Democratic Nomination.

    AND NOW, A BOTH SIDES MOMENT FROM TATER

    One thing I find thoroughly annoying is that, when something happens like did today where Trump calls into Pirro's radio show after a day of rage-tweeting and is asked point-blank if he's working for Russia (oh gads, that whole sentence was true and WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THIS COUNTRY), all my leftist folk and the left-of-center media flies into a tizzy when he doesn't explicitly deny the charge.

    If there's one thing we absolutely 100% know about Trump, it's that he has zero problem with lying, so it's absolutely clear that when asked a question like that there is no consideration of "what can I say without bending the truth?" He only cares about emphasizing his own personal and petty points--fake news media, in this case--and so the idea of denying the charge is meaningless to him.

    STOP WITH ALL THE "NOT A DENIAL" SHIT. THEY'VE DENIED PLENTY AND IT'S BEEN A LIE. THEY DON'T FUCKING CARE.

    next time, I'll cover "Trump hasn't visited the troops like all these Presidents"->"OH SHIT TRUMP VISITED THE TROOPS BECAUSE WE SHAMED HIM INTO IT AND HE IS DOING THINGS WE TOTALLY COULD PREDICT HE WOULD DO" news cycles

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    Quote Originally Posted by tatermoog View Post
    STOP WITH ALL THE "NOT A DENIAL" SHIT. THEY'VE DENIED PLENTY AND IT'S BEEN A LIE. THEY DON'T FUCKING CARE.
    I think it's more because it's out of character for him not to just lie about it than anything else.
    Complicating things since 2009.

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    Lulzi Gabbard and Big White Daddy Ojeda are going to turn the primaries into a shitshow, especially since TYT and the Brocialists love them (despite their extremely conservative viewpoints on everything and support of Trump).

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