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    I don't even know what to say to this. It sounds like it could be an interesting addition, but in the hands of Kubo, it doesn't inspire confidence. The whole captain level souls go to hell because they're too powerful just sounds incredibly stupid and contrived.
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    It’s beyond stupid & makes no sense, but that’s exactly why I love this series so much: to see what insanity kubo will pull out of his hat next.

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    I caught up with Bleach in the first part of the not-supernatural-nazi invasion of not Feudal Japan hell heaven.
    I have no qualms on the discussion which of the big three was the best, I watched what 10 episodes of the Bleach anime in 2007.
    There no poetry, Kubo couldn't be subtle if he hit ya with a brick. If he tries to pass so message about grievance and death he does a piss poor job.
    As a world builder I could say he's a great artist, but even there he's stuck with the smug, bishonen or bland expressions.

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    Even Kubo's ability as an artist is overrated because he is extremely lazy. He always found excuses to put his characters into factions with bland uniforms so that he did not have to create new unique looks and made them fight in the sky or somewhere empty like Hueco Mundo so that he did not have to create backgrounds. I am not a fan of Mashima but you can see and feel how he at least tries. Not the case at all with Kubo the slacker.

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    super legit, i did not recognize ichigo when he first appeared. he seemed like a completely different character.

    also, a lot of the shinigami just blend together for me. ganguro girl stands out, because she has an actual distinct design. but the rest are just the same. all copy and paste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatTraverse View Post
    Even Kubo's ability as an artist is overrated because he is extremely lazy. He always found excuses to put his characters into factions with bland uniforms so that he did not have to create new unique looks and made them fight in the sky or somewhere empty like Hueco Mundo so that he did not have to create backgrounds. I am not a fan of Mashima but you can see and feel how he at least tries. Not the case at all with Kubo the slacker.
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    super legit, i did not recognize ichigo when he first appeared. he seemed like a completely different character.
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    also, a lot of the shinigami just blend together for me. ganguro girl stands out, because she has an actual distinct design. but the rest are just the same. all copy and paste.
    Such an odd thing to say when Kubo usually goes to pains to give even uniforms their own unique little flair for each character that wears them.

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    C'mon there's nothing in Kubo's art that screams EFFORT and you know it. Most uniforms are quite bland, as is the manga general tone.

    I liked the h4xxxed powers he would come up and how he would try to "solve" the situation with even more absurdities. Mauyri in particular was always a pleasure to see.

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    Kubo is on fire with this return! Goddamn! There was nostalgia AND a knife turn!

    Also, fuck off with the 'lazy' baloney. A laborer deserves to maintain his health. Furthermore, simplicity is a style that goes back decades.
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    I liked the chapter because it did a good job of setting up the presumed sequel arc and giving us some interesting new characters. Kubo's pretty good at coming up with interesting premises for his stories, but he doesn't always achieve a spectacular result when it comes to actually keeping the momentum flowing.

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    Can't wait for the "Aizen's purpose was to free people by end in the hell all along" revelation.
    Seems like that would be more in-line with Yhwach's goal since he mentioned wanting to end the cycle of life and death or something along those lines.

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    I love this chapter. For once, Kubo have condensed lot of content into single chapter, usually it's just small pieces every time not enough to satisfy the hunger.

    The reveal of strong characters being sent to hell, for purpose to prevent their strong reishi from disrupting balance of the world. I wonder in which way the reishi that won't return to earth would cause harm. But the important thing is that gives explanation to lot of things in Bleach verse. So this is why soul society imprisons criminals in muken, that are too strong "to be killed". Could this be why Aizen was reluctant to kill off captains and kept them just barely alive during the arrancar war? Soo this is why Kubo made that weird comment about still having not decided whenever Ulquiorra still survived after turning into dust. And most importantly, all of them, the characters that maybe we haven't seen enough of. There is possibility to see them once again in action. Stark, Gin, Ukitake. No, even more, we could see the previous deceased generations of soul society captains.

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    Umm, I don't see that much hate concerning Bleach. Most of the forums and social media platforms i'm on are cheering for more Bleach content or another story from Kubo.

    I know hate. Some of the Naruto forums I used to be on had OP sections where I was 1 of a few talking about it. Users who barely read it would randomly pop in to say "hack" or shit on the power system and lack of deaths.

    I seen one user in here call their own critique hate, but I disagree and see it as critique. There's more love for the series than bitterness. The few that hate only do it because of all the appreciation and love the series gets. They wouldn't feel obligated to do so, if they didn't see others genuinely enjoy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatTraverse View Post
    Even Kubo's ability as an artist is overrated because he is extremely lazy. He always found excuses to put his characters into factions with bland uniforms so that he did not have to create new unique looks and made them fight in the sky or somewhere empty like Hueco Mundo so that he did not have to create backgrounds. I am not a fan of Mashima but you can see and feel how he at least tries. Not the case at all with Kubo the slacker.
    I'll ignore the mindreading delusions and get to a more solid point. Difference between art and design is that purpose of art is to convey emotion/experience, while design is just raw quality of execution. Thus the common technique of artist is instead of doing everything well, but focusing on things that matter and what is a focal point of a composition. In other words, you just don't understand basics of art and view his work from designers perspective.

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    Well. I don't hate Bleach and never had. I think it's a bad wrote funny ride and it works extremely well as entertainment tool.

    That aside, the chapter is good, and

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    are we going to get a canonical Hell Arc in Bleach? It also looks like a way to make use of dead characters and unveil their abilities (Bankai) we didn't see before. Also, this could give us previous captains and ancient characters all together. Hoping Kubo will not lock himself on using only known characters, as I have hype.
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    Carrot sneaked on the Sunny when they left Zou, not asking or requesting anyone. IF Carrot is going to join, I expect something like that, with the crew ready to leave Wano, all of them beginning to party for new nakama Yamato and then "wha-t?! Carrot is near Luffy

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    If nothing else, Kubo knows what 12-year-old me would find cool.

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    And that deaf guy with the bird sword is exactly what I'd consider cool. Just don't pull a Tousen please.
    The scans didn't translate his shikai command though. He writes on his sword "Bring to life".

    I don't really know what to think of the captains being sent to hell. I'm not too interested in the minute details of Bleach's world, I'm just in it for the fights.
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    Kubo always over relied on blank/empty spaces to do "emotional stuff" (never4get "the heart" and hueno muedo's first intro picture). There's a time and place for it but when its a consistent cycle again and again it goes from artistic expression to possibly "is this guy putting in the effort".

    Anyway, he's always had a tendency to start with interesting ideas that more or less peter out quickly so i'm curious how this is gonna go. The franchise should have been able to support him for life so perhaps there's some ideas he always wanted to do. Let's see if it ends up being the dregfest like the 1000-year war where every chapter was a slog/unintentional hilarity etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by legumes View Post
    Kubo always over relied on blank/empty spaces to do "emotional stuff" (never4get "the heart" and hueno muedo's first intro picture). There's a time and place for it but when its a consistent cycle again and again it goes from artistic expression to possibly "is this guy putting in the effort".

    Anyway, he's always had a tendency to start with interesting ideas that more or less peter out quickly so i'm curious how this is gonna go. The franchise should have been able to support him for life so perhaps there's some ideas he always wanted to do. Let's see if it ends up being the dregfest like the 1000-year war where every chapter was a slog/unintentional hilarity etc.
    Perhaps you need to reread entire Bleach, because it seems that information that isn't there have stuck more in your head than what Kubo have actually drawn. When you have blank page, your attention normally goes too anything that isn't. The heart, I laughed about it too. But it was artistic too at same time, it wasn't just a blank page with some letters on it.

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    Can't say I hate Bleach either. Naruto and Bleach were some of the works that got me into manga and the first ones I followed weekly online. Both had excellent starts and then kind of fell from grace. But even at their worst I still enjoyed them because of the absurdity and attachment to the characters.

    I'll probably re-read Bleach one day so I can form a more mature opinion on it. But I doubt I'll ever consider those last two arcs good.

    As for this chapter, it was pretty decent. Slice-of-life and Mayuri are two things I recall Bleach handling better.
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    Backgrounds would be drawn by assistants. The decision to not include them would have nothing to with anything except Kubo making an artistic decision.
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    Gonna guess which language will be usen in the new arc. After Japanese Soul Society, Spanish Hueco Mundo, German Quincy and English spin-off, what? Italian hell?
    Quote Originally Posted by rayleigh92 View Post
    Carrot sneaked on the Sunny when they left Zou, not asking or requesting anyone. IF Carrot is going to join, I expect something like that, with the crew ready to leave Wano, all of them beginning to party for new nakama Yamato and then "wha-t?! Carrot is near Luffy

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayleigh92 View Post
    Gonna guess which language will be usen in the new arc. After Japanese Soul Society, Spanish Hueco Mundo, German Quincy and English spin-off, what? Italian hell?
    Mussolini Italian hell would be quite hilarious i have to admit.

    I also laugh at the people using the "you just don't understand!" defence to explain things away. I expect sales numbers to be used next to "prove" the series quality.

    Quote Originally Posted by legumes View Post
    Kubo always over relied on blank/empty spaces to do "emotional stuff" (never4get "the heart" and hueno muedo's first intro picture). There's a time and place for it but when its a consistent cycle again and again it goes from artistic expression to possibly "is this guy putting in the effort".

    Anyway, he's always had a tendency to start with interesting ideas that more or less peter out quickly so i'm curious how this is gonna go. The franchise should have been able to support him for life so perhaps there's some ideas he always wanted to do. Let's see if it ends up being the dregfest like the 1000-year war where every chapter was a slog/unintentional hilarity etc.
    Kubo is a big user of the J. J. Abrams mystery box philosophy. He throws stuff on the wall and sees what sticks without any idea of what will happen next. The Aizen soul society twist was born exactly like that. The rushed ending with the Quincies screams not knowing how to end it which is why it went on forever and still failed to reach a satisfying conclusion. Of course, people defending Kubo will say that Shueisha did him dirty by cancelling the series but they actually respected him enough to give him years to close the knot and he just squandered it.
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