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  1. #3161

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephray View Post
    But haven’t the voice actors said they recorded more for SU? Don’t even get me started on how rushed that finale was.
    There's a movie coming. And there might be another movie after that. There may even be a movie a year for a while if they do okay in the ratings.

    But three and a half years of radio silence from Cartoon Network, even to their shareholders, the fact that contemporary show Uncle Grandpa was "split into multiple seasons" but actually cancelled the same time they were, that the staff still hasn't announced a new season (and they have zero reason not to) how they scheduled those last 8 episodes, and how crazy fast they wrapped up everything? Those are not the signs of a show that thinks it has another full 20 or 50 episodes coming.

    Animation has to be ordered a year in advance, and the popular shows get pick ups even further in advance or that. If there IS a season 6 coming, then no one on the staff knew about it until after this season finished airing and Cartoon Network is only now making that decision.

    I could easily be wrong and they're just doing something REALLY abnormal here, but my guess at the timeline is this.

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    -Based on Adventure Time's success, CN orders an initial 52 episode season. Episodes are 11 minutes, so this is the equivalent of a normal 26 episode order of any other show. This also lets them air an episode a week, year round, basically... which worked well for Adventure Time and Gumball.

    -Based on early ratings, averaging 1.7-2.0, CN thinks it could be a long runner, and orders seasons 2 and 3, another 60 episodes. It's a good partner for Adventure Time and Regular Show and Gumball.

    -Ratings remain okay, but they don't grow, and in fact slip, generally doing 1.3-1.5, except during events. Not bad, but not great. Teen Titans Go premieres, and consistently gets 2.0-2.2 in the ratings, sometimes going as high as 2.6! It's a cheaper to produce show and gets almost twice as many viewers... and in the little boy demographic advertisers prefer rather than the girls Stephen has drawn in. (Yeah, networks hate girls. It's dumb but they do.)

    -CN is already committed to another 120 episodes of Steven, but they don't want to push it as hard. So, in March 2016 (three years ago!) they split the existing seasons in half, and treat it like its a new order, when its actually the same order they made a year ago.

    -At this point, they realize Regular SHow and Adventure Time are going to be wrapping. They both have hundreds of episodes, plenty for syndication, but ratings and dvd sales are dwindling. This of course means in about two years Stephen will no longer have similar other 11 minute shows to pair with, and it will become harder to schedule.

    -Steven slows down airing, they try airing it in blocks to goose the ratings. It doesn't help, and probably actually just hurts any built momentum. Ratings slip to 1.0-1.3 range, with exceptions) while TTG keeps getting 2.0's. TTG starts airing nonstop.

    -Steven reaches the end of its production about a year ago, ending with a big wedding cliffhanger, hoping for a season 6. CN just can't justify another 26 episodes, but the show has a reasonable following, so they okay it for 8 more to wrap up the story. AND! A movie! THat's something they can advertise as special. They were only airing it once every four months anyway. But, because of negotiations for these extra 8 episodes and movie, no one announces "the grand finale" or that it's over or that people need to start petitions... because more IS coming, they're still working.

    Just not on a full blown season 6.


    Animation takes so long to produce, you usually don't declare its ending or cancelled, because given the target audience, and that a renewal can happen and visually stay the same regardless of time passed or how much talent is retained, its a lot easier to fudge more if you change your mind later than it is with a live action show. You just slow down the release of episodes, let them run their time out, hope it has a decent ending, and let the fandom move on without pissing anyone off.

    So, between splitting the original 3 seasons into 5, a possible mild extension and a movie, and the fact that episodes have kept coming out sporadically, it's seemed like there's been regular updates and production... but in reality, aside from the movie, neither Cartoon Network nor the staff have actually said anything official about a season 6 since 2015. There is zero reason to keep that under wraps. It doesn't serve as a nice surprise or make the shareholder happy, and only upsets the fans to not know for sure. Even Venture Brothers which goes 2 years between seasons always announces their next season is coming as soon as the current one finishes. And they just announced Rick and Morty has like an 8 year 100 episode contract.

    So there's still potential negotations going on, or more movies coming that will for all intents and purposes be a season 6, but... absolutely nothing official at this point..
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  2. #3162

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    It’s pretty telling that Netflix has licensed anime from virtually every production company except Toei. They ask way too much. Saint Seiya doesn’t count since it’s an “original”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiolino View Post
    It’s pretty telling that Netflix has licensed anime from virtually every production company except Toei. They ask way too much. Saint Seiya doesn’t count since it’s an “original”.
    Exactly. Lord knows how much they charge to license out seasons of OP for streaming. Probably an absurd amount, which makes no one want to touch it with a 39 and a half foot pole. Gotta love ol' Toei.

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    Not to mention, Toei completely screwed up by not rebranding the anime to "One Piece: New World", or something like that after the time skip, and starting the episode count back to 1. As it stands, potential licensors and fans alike take a look at 800+ ep. count and say kthxbye. That could have been a great jumping off point, and people wouldn't feel as obligated to shift through and pay for hundreds and hundreds of episodes. I mean, Toei did that with Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z, and that worked out well (granted OP has a more overarching story than DB does, but if they could have done some Ennis Lobby- style flash back episodes, that probably would have been just fine for many people).

    Combined with the dog snot slow pacing that's only gotten slower over the years, Toei really, really should have rebranded and re-marketed the whole franchise, given it a clean slate and made it more manageable for everybody. But I guess since the formula of just plugging away week after week works in Japan, they don't want to make any changes.
    Last edited by wjbraden; February 18th, 2019 at 06:56 PM.

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    It's okay, they're just setting up for when they do One Piece Kai in 10 years.

    Sadly, up through Alabasta it wouldn't change all that much, there was very little filler and padding until after that, aside from a handful of full blown filler episodes.
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  5. #3165

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    The first time around they failed to get through Alabasta, and that was skipping entire arcs and cutting episodes to get through as fast as possible.
    The second time around they failed to get through Skypeia.
    Third time around they got through Water 7 and some change, in a timeslot that started at 10pm and then got moved to a 2 am timeslot where they didn't need any ratings at all, and still stopped before the war, one of the biggest and most popular arcs.

    Multiple times in every timeslot possible it failed.

    Meanwhile DBZ and Naruto at one point they were doing six episode marathons on a daily basis in prime time, and Sailor Moon the channel personally paid to get the second half of the series done.
    They had no problem getting through 220 episodes of Naruto (And would have aired the rest had Nick not gotten Shippuden) and 366 episodes of Bleach and 167 episodes of Inu Yasha all in actual good timeslots with constant promotion. Inu Yasha they even kept in rotation from 2002 until 2014 when they lost the rights, and picked up and aired the Final Act as soon as they could.
    Cowboy Bebop despite only being 26 episodes never once left the schedule between 2001 and 2007, and still gets rerun in its entirety once a year for half the year.

    They aired OP because they felt like they should due to its pedigree, not because the ratings actually warranted it. Same with 70s Lupin the Third and original Gundam (which they also didn't finish.)
    The first and second times I consider to be circumstantial. There wasn't a break between the 4Kids and Funimation dub on old Toonami. 4Kids dropped the license after the Rainbow Mist arc because it was getting tougher and tougher to edit out all the blood, alcohol, and violence. They got so sloppy that there was at least one moment in Alabasta where an unedited frame of blood was left in.
    Shortly after Funimation picked it up One Piece, Cartoon Network execs shrunk the block, removed most of the anime, and forced on Ben 10, Naruto, and Samurai Jack until its inevitable cancellation. The Funi dub didn't last a full year.
    One Piece had many badly-timed factors going against it (and still does). Ratings may have played a part in 2008. It's without a doubt that they were one of big deciding factors for Adult Swim era Toonami in 2017.
    To be frank, I don't see One Piece ever returning to Toonami without Toei taking a significant cost cut on the TV broadcast license.

  6. #3166

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    I hope One Piece returns to Toonami. If it does, it needs to start after the timeskip. To be fair, I just can't see any reason it would return, sadly.

  7. #3167

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    I mean, if they took it off, there’s no reason to put it back.

  8. #3168

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    It's okay, they're just setting up for when they do One Piece Kai in 10 years.
    Haha, probably. Though wasn't Kai a bust in Japan? You'd think they'd learn their lesson and make their long runners well-paced to begin with so they don't have to "Kai" everything, but let us not forget who we're dealing with here.

    @MasterkingJC

    I cant find it right now, but I distinctly remember Jason DeMarco over at Toonami saying that cost was the main reason for not renewing OP past Thiller Bark. Had Toei lowered the price, Toonami probably wouldve kept the show running at 2 or 3 in the morning like they're doing with Shippuden, to respect the fans. But then again it's all or nothing with Toei apparently. I really hope they change their "negotiation" practices (or lack thereof) before it comes back to really bite them on the ass one day.
    Last edited by wjbraden; February 18th, 2019 at 06:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    It's okay, they're just setting up for when they do One Piece Kai in 10 years.

    Sadly, up through Alabasta it wouldn't change all that much, there was very little filler and padding until after that, aside from a handful of full blown filler episodes.
    The first 206 episodes would have to be remade in HD anyway.

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