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    Default Indecision 2016 - In Soviet Russia, we elect american president!

    Hard to believe it's already been three years since the last Presidential Election; last time we had a 200+ page thread so let's see what this debacle will bring.

    The first debate for the Republican Party candidates will happen in a few days so this is as good a time to start as any. Plus it'll take some of the stress off of the Random News thread.

    Keep it civil, folks.

    For now, let's meet the candidates.

    First up, for the Democratic Party:






    Who - Hillary Rodham Clinton.
    Who? - Seriously?
    Strengths - Name recognition, tons of political experience and connections, and Aura of Inevitability after the last election.
    Weaknesses - Voter fatigue before the election has even happened.
    Why: She pulled into the lead on Super Tuesday and never lost it.

    And now, the Republican Party. There were no less than seventeen announced candidates but the one to actually wind up driving the Clown Car is no less than Donald Trump.






    Who - Donald Trump
    Who? - Businessman, reality show TV star, walking hairpiece.
    Strengths - Name recognition. Has a knack for saying things that gets media attention.
    Weaknesses - Just because people know who he is, doesn't mean that they like him. The GOP establishment hates him.
    Why - A weak field and winner-take-all states let him build a massive lead early on. Indiana sealed things up.

    Spoiler:


    Dropped out:

    Democratic Party



    Who - Jim Webb
    Who? - Former Senator from Virginia and Secretary of the Navy.
    Strengths - Political moderate, military experience.
    Weaknesses - Same problem as everybody who isn't Hillary or Sanders. Being in the military doesn't pull voters like it used to.
    When: 10/20/2015
    Why: No traction at all and no funding. Considered an independent run but decided against it.

    Who - Lincoln Chafee.
    Who? - Former Senator from and Governor of Rhode Island; Chafee used to be part of the Republican Party and eventually left the party after losing to Sheldon Whitehouse in 2007. He ran for Governor of Rhode Island as an Independent and switched to the Democratic Party in 2013.
    Strengths - Track record of working with both parties, voters like Governors.
    Weaknesses - Less name recognition than the other candidates.
    When: 10/23/2015
    Why: Like Webb, no traction and no funding.

    Who - Martin O' Malley
    Who? - Former Mayor of Baltimore and Governor of Maryland.
    Strengths - Again, voters like Governors and has strong liberal credentials.
    Weaknesses - Same as Chafee really though with the additional problem of the next candidate preventing him from grabbing headlines by running to the left of Clinton. Seems more like Veep material than anything else.
    When: 02/01/2016
    Why: Finished third in the Iowa caucus, which sounds respectable until you find out he got 0.5% of the total votes.

    Who - Bernie Sanders
    Who? - Socialist Senator from Vermont that is running as a Democrat.
    Strengths - Dedicated core of volunteers and gets media attention by running to the left of Clinton.
    Weaknesses - Big money donors are terrified of him.
    When: 06/06/2016
    Why: Hasn't dropped out yet but Clinton reached the necessary number of delegates and superdelegates to clinch the nomination.

    Never actually announced:

    Who - Joe Biden
    Who? - Seriously?
    Strengths - Sitting Vice President, fairly well liked by voters.
    Weaknesses - Has a tendency to say things without thinking them through.
    When: 10/21/2015
    Why: Age, family issues, and the fact that this race just didn't really offer him many opportunities.

    Republican Party



    Who - Rick Perry
    Who? - Former Governor of Texas
    Strengths - Name recognition and strong conservative credentials. Former Guv'nor.
    Weaknesses - His 2012 primary performance was pretty terrible. His 2016 pre-primary performance was worse.
    When: 09/11/2015
    Why: Little support in polls and less from donors.

    Who - Scott Walker
    Who? - Governor of Wisconsin
    Strengths - Wealthy patrons in the Koch Brothers; strong conservative credentials. Guv'nor.
    Weaknesses - Not particularly well liked even in his own state. Having tons of money works better on the state level than the national one.
    When: 09/21/2015
    Why: Mediocre debate showings and being unlikable meant little support and less money.

    Who - Bobby Jindal
    Who? - Governor of Louisiana
    Strengths - Strong conservative credentials. Voters yadda, yadda, yadda Governors.
    Weaknesses - His ethnicity and religion might be a tough sell to certain elements of the GOP. Probably best known outside of Louisiana for a disastrous response to the State of the Union address.
    When: 11/17/2015
    Why: Terrible poll numbers meant that he could never leave the kid's table debates. No funding as a result.

    Who - Lindsay Graham
    Who? - Senator from South Carolina
    Strengths - Hawkish policies will be liked by GOP. Has a decent bipartisan record.
    Weaknesses - Disliked by Tea Party.
    When: 12/21/2015
    Why: Poor poll numbers and pretty much stuck being the lone sane man on foreign policy (relatively speaking) in a race ever to the right.

    Who - George Pataki
    Who? - Former Governor of New York
    Strengths - Actually won on a state level in New York as a Republican. Also 9/11.
    Weaknesses - Pataki is running?
    When: 12/30/2015
    Why: Pataki was running for President?

    Who - Mike Huckabee
    Who? - Former Governor of Arkansas
    Strengths - Decent name recognition, credentials as religious conservative will help in primaries. Governors etc.
    Weaknesses - Lacks appeal outside of religious conservatives; threw away fairly good reputation as moderate in pursuit of that crowd.
    When: 02/01/2016
    Why: Finished in eighth place in the Iowa Caucus and his potential base has been sucked up by other candidates.

    Who - Rand Paul
    Who? - Senator from Kentucky, son of Ron Paul.
    Strengths - Tea Party darling.
    Weaknesses - Pretty much fallen off the face of the Earth because of other candidates, particularly Trump, poaching his support base.
    When: 02/03/2016
    Why: Finished low in the Iowa Caucus, but, more importantly, has a challenger for the GOP Primary for his Senate seat.

    Who - Rick Santorum
    Who? - Former Senator from Pennsylvania.
    Strengths - Conservative credentials.
    Weaknesses - Name recognition. Make sure you search his full name if you want information about the actual guy. Poor track record in Presidential primaries.
    When: 02/03/2016
    Why: Poor showing in Iowa, which he won in 2012. His base has went for other candidates.

    Who - Carly Fiorina
    Who? - Former CEO of Hewlett-Packard
    Strengths - Business experience is a plus for many Republicans.
    Weaknesses - No real political experience; ran a disastrous campaign for Senator of California against Barbara Boxer in 2010.
    When: 02/10/2016
    Why: Bad showings in Iowa and New Hampshire, left out of the pre-New Hampshire debate, and unlikely to make any of the other debates as well.

    Who - Chris Christie
    Who? - Governor of New Jersey
    Strengths - Fairly well known; aggressive with reporters. Blahblahblah Govenors.
    Weaknesses - Nobody really likes him that much anymore; his polling numbers are terrible and he has a ton of baggage because of scandals in office.
    When: 02/10/2016
    Why: Like Fiorina, didn't do well in first few states and has been polling poorly anyway.

    Who - Jim Gilmore
    Who? - Former Governor of Virginia.
    Strengths - Moderate Republican; seems to be positioning himself as the "Adult in the Room".
    Weaknesses - Announced really, really late, which hurt his chances of getting into first debate and all of the rest of them as it turned out.
    When: 02/12/2016
    Why: Zero support.

    Who - Jeb Bush
    Who? - Former Governor of Florida. Son of George H.W. Bush and brother of George W. Bush.
    Strengths - Name recognition, moderate Republican, and voters like Governors.
    Weaknesses - The primary voters don't want moderates, tends to say things that will be used against him, and name recognition.
    When: 02/20/2016
    Why: Poor showings in all three contests to date, gaffes galore, and his support went elsewhere.

    Who - Ben Carson
    Who? - Neurosurgeon. Gained attention for speech at National Prayer Breakfast.
    Strengths - Religious conservative.
    Weaknesses - No real political accomplishments. Will have a lot of competition from better known, better funded rivals.
    When: 03/04/2016
    Why: Nonsensical statements, most of his potential support went to Cruz, and possibly slept through several debates.

    Who - Marco Rubio
    Who? - Senator from Florida.
    Strengths - Tea Party darling.
    Weaknesses - His thunder has been stolen by other candidates; best known for looking like a water-sipping deer in headlights during a response to the SotU.
    When: 03/15/2016
    Why: His campaign never recovered from him being eviscerated by Christie in a debate and from there was a downwards spiral culminating in his loss in Florida.

    Who - Ted Cruz
    Who? - Senator from Texas
    Strengths - Diehard conservative that has gotten a lot of attention recently.
    Weaknesses - Most of that attention hasn't been positive. Also announced early and was hammered by rivals from the start.
    When: 05/03/2016
    Why: Performed terribly in Northeastern primaries and lost the winner-take-all state of Indiana.

    Who - John Kasich
    Who? - Governor of Ohio
    Strengths - Second verse, same as the first. Lengthy political career.
    Weaknesses - Angered Tea Party with Medicaid expansion; his campaign is just sort of there so far.
    When: 05/04/2016
    Why: Indiana basically made Trump the inevitable nominee.

    Last edited by RoboBlue; November 7th, 2016 at 08:18 AM. Reason: AP says Clinton has the delegates.
    Complicating things since 2009.

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    200+ page thread? Strange, just went to check and it's only 120 pages. Unless you're using a different post-page layout?

    Anyway, only Democrats I recognise are Hilary Clinton (because of being bombarded by right-wing news sites trying to flame her on my FB feed lulzy lulz) and Bernie Sanders (shout out to my American friends on FB for talking about him - he seems hella cool!). Republicans... yeah I don't wanna talk about it (but I probably will anyway, thanks mom and dad >_>).

    Also, let's see if we can get a CaptainKid for this particular season NIHLISTIC APATHETIC IGNORANCE HERE WE GOOOOOOO:

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainKid View Post
    I'm home for the week and my parents won't shut up about me voting. God forbid I tell them I literally don't like either of the candidates. If I have to watch another 30minutes of Fox News I'm going to hang myself. On a sidenote, I also realized arguing politics is much harder to do intensely when the person you are trying to argue with is a very attractive girl in your apartment. LOL!

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    Time really does fly by; Obama is already six and a half years in. I'm looking forward to seeing who comes out of the Republican Party so I plan to actually pay attention to debates this go-round

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    You forgot to mention "SMARTY PANTS BOOK READIN' GLASSES" under Rick Perry's strengths.

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    Didn't Lindsey Graham say if he became President, he would have the army overthrow Congress or some such crazy talk?

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    About six or seven Republican candidates are about to lose whatever minimal momentum they might've had once the first debate takes place, since Fox is taking only the top ten candidates according to media polls. The remaining candidates will be sent to the little kids table to have their own debate. Maybe one or two come out of that exile while the rest end their campaigns early. Here's the presumptive standings: http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/f...-first-debate/

    So, of the candidates likely to be excluded, which would like to see stay in the race most?

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    I just want Trump to go the distance, or eventually go third party. he'll be entertaining AND have no chance of winning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubiq View Post
    Who - Rick Santorum
    Who? - Former Senator from Pennsylvania.
    Strengths - Conservative credentials.
    Weaknesses - Name recognition. Make sure you search his full name if you want information about the actual guy. Poor track record in Presidential primaries.
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    Fantasy Fox Debate Roster:

    - Jeb
    - Mike Huckabee
    - Ben Carson
    - Lindsay Graham
    - Bobby Jindal
    - Ted Cruz
    - Scott Walker
    - Rand Paul
    - Rick Santorum
    - Donald Trump


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    I'm rooting for Bernie myself but my vote will ultimately be against whoever comes out on top of the clown car
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    I thought Sanders was a social democrat and not a socialist.

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    I'm actually really interested in Bernie Sanders and hope to hear more from him in the upcoming months. I hope he goes the distance.
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    Oh, is it that time already for the first Republican debate?


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    Two women and a black person to eighteen white men and a single Bobby Jindal.

    That is kind of too XX century of you, USA.

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    Carson and Jindal are pretty much the GOP's "token best friends" aren't they.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiolino View Post
    I thought Sanders was a social democrat and not a socialist.
    He's a Vermont version of whatever term you want to throw on it.
    Vermont, a state perpetually playing Neil Young songs somewhere in the background (not even kidding).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkey King View Post
    Vermont, a state perpetually playing Neil Young songs somewhere in the background (not even kidding).
    Holy shit, you really weren't kidding o___o

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    Gonna be a crazy ride ahead of us, folks.

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