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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrissie View Post
    When Cypriot women decide to put you on their ignore list, nothing sort of hijacking a plane will pull their attention back to you...
    Scary! Then it must have been hard for the hijacker. This is also a warning to some, they better watch out not to do any thing wrong. Hahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by firelord111 View Post
    lol i forgot to say anything about isis placing bombs in toys then selleng it to iranians in previous year ashura in iraq
    but iran government found out in time so no one died
    Really? That is some cartoonish evil level. As you said, just when you think they can not do more barbarian they prove you wrong. It is sickening me, really, for sharing with me the same religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokerSan View Post
    Scary! Then it must have been hard for the hijacker. This is also a warning to some, they better watch out not to do any thing wrong. Hahaha

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    Really? That is some cartoonish evil level. As you said, just when you think they can not do more barbarian they prove you wrong. It is sickening me, really, for sharing with me the same religion.
    i dont consider them muslims i consider them groups of hody(one piece)

    iran revolutionary army launches missile written on it isreal must be destroyed
    it seems there are people here who dont like nuclear deal

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    Random little tidbit here:

    Spoiler:
    I was drinking with my friend Monday night and he hit me with the cliche "I don't like Muslims" spiel. Had to educate him, although I agreed with him about some of their beliefs being strange (covering the women's ankles, sometimes the angry reaction from the men if they don't wear Hijab). I remember someone on here living in a Muslim country saying that people had no remorse or sympathy for some of these recent victims. So to an extent I understand the hate per se, but it's wrong and needs to stop. I'm suggesting anybody who's been swayed by the media and recent events to stay educated and know all Muslims aren't bad. But the hate is getting close to home and I'm uncomfortable now :/.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firelord111 View Post
    hody(one piece)
    Sort of a mix of Arlongs and Hodys yeah. Pretty much!
    iran revolutionary army launches missile written on it isreal must be destroyed
    it seems there are people here who dont like nuclear deal
    If our conservatives weren't so busy hating eachother they'd have a lot to talk about over coffee lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green-Hair View Post
    (covering the women's ankles, sometimes the angry reaction from the men if they don't wear Hijab).
    Those things are heavily variable throughout the Muslim world (from creepy nightmare full body coverings, to exactly the same type of dress as non-Muslim women). And their actual basis in religious text is pretty thin and vague.
    Modesty talk is in all three Abrahamic religions. The relative conservatism (and regional traditions) are why it's such a thing commonly associated more with Muslims.
    Look in the right places though and you can see traces of older similar practices in certain sects of Christians and even Jews.
    There's ultra-conservative Jewish sects in Israel that actually look fondly on like the heavy duty coverings in some local Muslim cultures and emulate it for their own religious purposes.
    And of course if you want modesty heavy conservative Christianity as kept in stasis from older days? The Amish!

    "In contrast to modern fashions, Amish clothing reveals little. Non-Amish may see dark, long-sleeved clothing as uncomfortable. Yet Amish feel that wearing revealing clothing is un-Christian. Amish feel that exposing the body to view can promote sinful thoughts and behaviors. They feel that Christians should stay covered up as a way of honoring the bodies which they have been given by God."

    Almost VERBATIM the argument a more conservative Muslim will make if you ask them to defend hijabs and other practices. Literally just replace "Christian" and "Amish" with "Muslim".
    Hell even just the sort of clothing nuns wear is the same idea, most Orthodox Christian nuns even dress pretty much exactly like the more conservative Iranian women for instance.
    Now imagine a hypothetical more conservative Christian culture that came to expect that same standard of nuns for average women. It's not actually that tough to imagine is it?
    Hell the ankle thing is stuff you hear about in the West if you go back like 100 years. Not so distantly part of our own culture.
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    What's really going on more than anything is relative conservatism and the shape that takes culture to culture, not really the religion itself.

    Having said that though, don't entirely discount that some Muslim women are very much in control of their own lives and choose of their own free will to wear whatever level of covering it is they wear. It's easy to assume broad strokes across the board that they're forced to do it by crazy husbands and fathers and so on. And yeah that's def a thing in lots of places.
    But choice exists too. You keep assuming the woman with the hijab is meek and you might end up burned and surprised lol (talking from personal experience here might I add lol).

    I remember someone on here living in a Muslim country saying that people had no remorse or sympathy for some of these recent victims.
    Well uh...he was from Saudi Arabia. Which is among the most conservative Muslim states in the world. And the thing he mentioned honestly isn't that unique at all. I mean every other Republican candidate has mentioned at some point or another the same notion in so many words. That they're real concerned about those poor Christian Syrian refugees. Some governors too. But the Muslim ones can stay out!! It's a very similar tribal and fucked up perspective.

    But the hate is getting close to home and I'm uncomfortable now :/.
    Eh, sad to say regardless of whom I've seen express similar things (some relatives, former manager that I otherwise liked and so on) it's simply not surprising.
    The Post-911 mindset includes a subconscious Islamophobia, it's just kinda around to stay for now in the US. Though yes it's been made worse again by both ISIS fear and a certain somebody with bad hair.

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    Yeah, I do realize my friends and I are bit uneducated a bit in the concepts of Islam and the hilarious likenesses between it and Judaism and Christianity. Well, one of my guys really knows his shit, in fact almost every time I read one of your educational novels (which I enjoy, don't get me wrong) I pick his brain to see what he thinks. And yeah even I am uneducated in the whole history of hijab and women covering up, I still don't get it to an extent. And when I mean I don't get it, I think it's just my perversion talking lol, which needs to shut the hell up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green-Hair View Post
    And when I mean I don't get it, I think it's just my perversion talking lol, which needs to shut the hell up.
    Well then you do actually kinda get it. Because that's what people mean when they talk about modesty. Trying to avoid sexual interest.

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    Well it's difficult to go against the stream (seeing how muslims are portrayed in media and stuff..).
    Add to that , that a lot of muslims are, just like other hateful people of all strands, just hateful people.

    I just hope that the majority of people can understand and see the humanity that transcends all differences between human beings.
    A father is a father no matter which nationality or religion, he tries to work to provide for his family.
    A child is a child no matter the difference, they just wanna play.

    On another note , to understand the reality of islam a little: Saudi Arabia is a country that supposedly ( I personally do not agree with this statement, for reasons I can argument but would be too long on this post) applies Shariah law. Well, Morocco is another country who as well applies Shariah law.

    But we'll gladly focus on Saudi Arabia and tell everyone that that's islam, but no one will tell you anything about Morocco.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mugiwara_no_Ice View Post
    On another note , to understand the reality of islam a little: Saudi Arabia is a country that supposedly ( I personally do not agree with this statement, for reasons I can argument but would be too long on this post) applies Shariah law. Well, Morocco is another country who as well applies Shariah law.
    Are you sure about that? Are people beheaded in public? Are peoples' limbs cut in public? Are people whipped for fornication practice, alcohol? I think we are not talking about Charia law. Morocco is a producer of wine. A country in which a lot of european tourists visit to party and have fun. A lot of non-Muslim rich people have houses there including the old native Jewish community. Are you sure, Morocco applies Charia law? And what I said about Morocco applies to Tunisia, Algeria, Egypt, Lebanon, what was once Syria and many many other countries. Saudi Arabia is completely different, until few months ago, women did not have the right to drive cars.

    As for the Hidjab, Monkey King has said almost everything about it.

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    Well that's where you got it all wrong.

    The main purpose of sharia is the preservation of 5 things:
    -religion (freedom of religious life
    , etc..)
    -life (security and protection of human and animal and vegetal life,...)
    -lineage (family law and all that..)
    -intellect (preservation of the intellectual life and culture ...)
    -wealth (security of wealth)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maqasid

    That is real sharia.
    Not the beheading or whipping or anything, those are obscure fiqh elements that are found in some law (fiqh) books who weren't at all agreed upon between law scholars so...

    Yeah Morocco is a sharia compliant country more so than any Saudi or Taliban country.
    Every law that gets voted gets first through a majlis of ulema and needs theocratic approval.
    The king isn't ameer almuminien for nothing.


    Aside of that. Some scholars even argue that occidental countries with their fair law and justice is far more sharia compliant than any Muslim country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokerSan View Post
    Are you sure about that? Are people beheaded in public? Are peoples' limbs cut in public? Are people whipped for fornication practice, alcohol? I think we are not talking about Charia law. Morocco is a producer of wine. A country in which a lot of european tourists visit to party and have fun. A lot of non-Muslim rich people have houses there including the old native Jewish community. Are you sure, Morocco applies Charia law? And what I said about Morocco applies to Tunisia, Algeria, Egypt, Lebanon, what was once Syria and many many other countries. Saudi Arabia is completely different, until few months ago, women did not have the right to drive cars.
    You have him wrong.
    I think he's saying that Saudi Arabia is seen as the example of the devout Muslim state, and is a really really ugly example in most respects. But people don't look at other more peaceful relaxed...yet nonetheless devout countries like Morocco.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mugiwara_no_Ice View Post
    Well that's where you got it all wrong...
    Quote Originally Posted by Monkey King View Post
    You have him wrong.
    I think he's saying that Saudi Arabia is seen as the example of the devout Muslim state, and is a really really ugly example in most respects. But people don't look at other more peaceful relaxed...yet nonetheless devout countries like Morocco.
    Yeah, I was responding to how Charia is seen by westerners, not what the whole religion is supposed to be.

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    Clinton was caught out unfiltered as she lashed out at Greenpeace activist who asked about campaign donations from fossil fuel companies. https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/...eace-activist/

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    bridge collapse in india

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanji''s_dad View Post
    Clinton was caught out unfiltered as she lashed out at Greenpeace activist who asked about campaign donations from fossil fuel companies. https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/...eace-activist/
    She takes corporate donations that harlot.
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    I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green_vs_Red View Post
    She takes corporate donations that harlot.
    It means she has already sold out and does not care about the voters only the businesses that funded her campaign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanji''s_dad View Post
    It means she has already sold out and does not care about the voters only the businesses that funded her campaign.
    Hillary taking corporate donations isn't anything new though nor shocking. As
    for her not caring about the voters you can't really glean that just from the
    fact she takes money from oil and gas companies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubiq View Post
    I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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    Quote Originally Posted by sanji''s_dad View Post
    It means she has already sold out and does not care about the voters only the businesses that funded her campaign.
    You do realize that donors from corporations are a normal thing in presidential campaigns and are not a binding thing making a person do certain policies?
    I mean I understand trepidation about it, but lots of Bernie people transform it into this cartoonish monster thing.

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    we were talking in women studies about how clinton faces sexism and so much backlash for being women. One of the main things is how nobody cares about bernies ilegitimate son, where is if that was hillary all hell would break lose and people would attack her credibility. It was this time article about the sexism she has to face.

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    Nobody cares about Hillary being a woman. They care about her supposedly being a crook and/or sellout that's been bought by big corporations.

    Since those things actually matter for the job. Even if after 20 years of constant trying nothing has managed to stick.
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