Water 7 Arc- Toonami Talkback

[firecrouch]

Did we ever get a conclusive reason why OP was removed from "Network" originally? I can only assume its because a new regime was taking over and didn't want anime anymore instead of "the ratings were bad" reason. If the ratings were bad then why would they be trying again on Adult Swim Toonami?

Official reason was ratings.

As far as why they're trying again on adult swim, well, there's plenty of basic reasons why. For now I'll just say that that was years ago and adult swim isn't the same as Cartoon Network.

[Samwize78]

This is one of my favorite episodes from this arc. This is where Sonny really shines as Usopp, this episode in particular.

[Rocky1125]

11:30PM Space Dandy*0.8 HH, 1.211 million viewers*(tvmediainsights.com)
12:00AM Bleach*0.9 HH, 1.291 million viewers
12:30AM Naruto: Shippuden*0.8 HH, 1.193 million viewers
1:00AM One Piece*0.7 HH, 968,000 viewers
1:30AM Blue Exorcist*0.6 HH, 870,000 viewers
2:00AM Black Lagoon*0.6 HH, 876,000 viewers
2:30AM Naruto*0.5 HH, 785,000 viewers*(tvmediainsights.com)
3:00AM Ghost in the Shell*0.4 HH, 626,000 viewers
3:30AM Fullmetal: Brotherhood*0.4 HH, 603,000 viewers
4:00AM Samurai Jack*0.4 HH, 555,000 viewers
4:30AM IGPX: Immortal Grand Prix*0.4 HH, 441,000 viewers
5:00AM Star Wars: Clone Wars*0.4 HH, 508,000 viewers
5:30AM Sym-Bionic Titan*0.4 HH, 436,000 viewers





Eh. Not as good as previous weeks. Still sucks that OP tends to always be the show with the most drop off, but at least its still in the 9000's and didn't lose to the shows after it.

Freak'n Bleach in bullsh*t filler land managed to beat even Space Dandy before it. That's a strong fandom right there. :-/

[Muddy120]

One Piece did awesome and got a million again last week, too lazy to post it lol

[Galaxy 9000]

One Piece did awesome and got a million again last week, too lazy to post it lol

11:30pm	Space Dandy	1,331,000	0.9
12:00am	Bleach	1,246,000	0.9
12:30am	Naruto: Shippuden	1,159,000	0.8
1:00am	One Piece	1,062,000	0.8
1:30am	Blue Exorcist	973,000	0.7
2:00am	Black Lagoon	778,000	0.6
2:30am	Naruto	660,000	0.6
3:00am	Ghost In The Shell	596,000	0.5
3:30am	Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood	564,000	0.5
4:00am	Samurai Jack	534,000	0.4
4:30am	IGPX	470,000	0.4
5:00am	Star Wars: The Clone Wars	518,000	0.4
5:30am	SymBionic Titan	445,000	0.4

[Rocky1125]

Yep. There's also this:

Saturday night’s*TOONAMI*anime programming line-up also scored big:*Naruto*(12:30 a.m.) ranked #1 in its time period among men 18-34, while*One Piece*(1 a.m.) ranked #1 in its time period among adults 18-24 and men 18-24 & 18-34.*Blue Exorcist*(1:30 a.m.) ranked #1 in its time period among adults 18-34 & 18-24, and*Black Lagoon*(2 a.m.) ranked #1 in its time period among adults 18-24.One Piece*grew average delivery year-over-year among adults 18-34 (17 percent) & 18-49 (16 percent) and all targeted male demos (between 4 percent and 33 percent), while*Blue Exorcist*andBlack Lagoon*both grew average delivery among all targeted adults (between 10 percent and 22 percent) and men 18-34 & 18-49.

[Muddy120]

Yep. There's also this:

Saturday night’s*TOONAMI*anime programming line-up also scored big:*Naruto*(12:30 a.m.) ranked #1 in its time period among men 18-34, while*One Piece*(1 a.m.) ranked #1 in its time period among adults 18-24 and men 18-24 & 18-34.*Blue Exorcist*(1:30 a.m.) ranked #1 in its time period among adults 18-34 & 18-24, and*Black Lagoon*(2 a.m.) ranked #1 in its time period among adults 18-24.One Piece*grew average delivery year-over-year among adults 18-34 (17 percent) & 18-49 (16 percent) and all targeted male demos (between 4 percent and 33 percent), while*Blue Exorcist*andBlack Lagoon*both grew average delivery among all targeted adults (between 10 percent and 22 percent) and men 18-34 & 18-49.

It's be nice if we posted that all in one message

[Muddy120]

I feel like One Piece's performance on Toonami begins now that the Lucci reveal has happened and were in its best episodes of Water 7, so I would relax and wait until Enies Lobby finishes to judge One Piece performance after being off television for years, When Merry's funeral airs it'll be safe to asses the entire arcs standing on Toonami, In my opinion those unlucky two weeks were the viewers suffering from Davy Back syndrome, so they must of prejudged the series and didn't think the series was gonna get any better.

--- Update From New Post Merge ---

Official reason was ratings.

As far as why they're trying again on adult swim, well, there's plenty of basic reasons why. For now I'll just say that that was years ago and adult swim isn't the same as Cartoon Network.

I'm rlly enjoying your articles on OP Podcast, firecrouch

[playercena5241]

ONE PIECE get really high now.

[Muginiz]

OP will be moved to 1:30 am time slot starting May 3 (because Titans are coming!)
http://www.funimation.com/blog/2014/04/12/funimation-series-attack-on-titan-to-air-on-toonami-block
http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/82537...ing-may-3rd-at

[Rocky1125]

Fuck.

I mean, I'm glad AoT is coming to the block, that's HUGE (heh) news...

But I really didn't want One Piece to move any later then it already is. :-(

[LazySketcher]

Shit. This doesn't really help One Piece since it barely brings in a million every so often, but considering AOT's massive popularity it'll really help Toonami overall which is fantastic.

I don't know how to feel about this. It's great yet kinda crappy news at the same time. I guess we'll just have to see how things work out.

[Rocky1125]

Well, in their defense, EVERYTHING besides Bleach was moved down a slot, at least.

Dandy starts new episodes in July. Unless they manage to get 11:00, I suspect it'll push Bleach down to 12:30... OR... They'll swap AoT around with it.

Still, looks like One Piece isn't gonna head the block anytime soon.

[Muddy120]

Naruto & One Piece aren't doomed at 1am long term, would make no sense, but it makes total sense now because Titan is fanboyed and Toonami just wanted it as fast as possible b4 Summer began, so since 11pm wasn't available just yet, it seemed they just injected it in the Block to make it work, but long term I see us getting 11pm at least and Naruto & One Piece taking the lead down the line, but they probably want to keep high viewship as long as possible through the night for summer, so the Narutards are forced to stay up later just like the rest of us

[Samwize78]

This isn't as bad as it's being made out to be. Even though One Piece fluctuates between a million views every few weeks, it still does better than all of the other shows that air after it. The ratings may suffer a bit more once Titan starts airing, but that's to be expected since it'll be shown later in the night. The worst case scenario would then be that One Piece gets moved down further in the block because Blue Exorcist or Black Lagoon suddenly rise in viewership.

I know it sucks that our favorite show has been moved to a later time slot, but that's just how its gotta be I guess. Hopefully Attack on Titan brings in enough positive ratings to get the block extended another half hour. But in the meantime, we just have to keep on watching.

[Muddy120]

This isn't as bad as it's being made out to be. Even though One Piece fluctuates between a million views every few weeks, it still does better than all of the other shows that air after it. The ratings may suffer a bit more once Titan starts airing, but that's to be expected since it'll be shown later in the night. The worst case scenario would then be that One Piece gets moved down further in the block because Blue Exorcist or Black Lagoon suddenly rise in viewership.

I know it sucks that our favorite show has been moved to a later time slot, but that's just how its gotta be I guess. Hopefully Attack on Titan brings in enough positive ratings to get the block extended another half hour. But in the meantime, we just have to keep on watching.

Bleach, Dandy, & Titan are all finishing there run in the same year, this year in the October range of 2014, This scenario there trying to pull is a once in a lifetime chance because Bleach & Dandy are gonna be goners b4 they know it, so I imagine there trying to make the most of this scenario and get really high numbers for the Summertime, so because Naruto is payin' the price as well I don't we should see this as them poking fun at One Piece, if this bodes well me might get 11pm hour this year and eventually One Piece & Naruto will end up becoming the premiere shows, once those other 3 shows end in October, So thats my thoughts on this, there taking advantage of the summertime hype, and in order for them to take advantage of that One Piece has to take a backseat for now at 1:30, I'm sure this is temporary so I'd say we just have to be patient, luckily OP isn't in Enies Lobby until later in the year, and luckily its such a long arc, all the setup episodes & train fights will knock out while its temporarily at 1:30 I'm sure

[Kitsune Inferno]

Yeah, there's no way Toonami would air Attack on Titan at a later hour. It was just natural that OP get bumped. Nothing to worry about, folks.

[Rocky1125]

TOONAMI – SATURDAY, APRIL 12, 2014


11:30PM Space Dandy 0.8 HH, 978,000 viewers (tvmediainsights.com)
12:00AM Bleach 0.8 HH, 1.028 million viewers
12:30AM Naruto: Shippuden 0.7 HH, 856,000 viewers
1:00AM One Piece 0.6 HH, 802,000 viewers
1:30AM Blue Exorcist 0.7 HH, 908,000 viewers
2:00AM Black Lagoon 0.6 HH, 831,000 viewers
2:30AM Naruto 0.6 HH, 760,000 viewers (tvmediainsights.com)
3:00AM Ghost in the Shell 0.5 HH, 665,000 viewers
3:30AM Fullmetal: Brotherhood 0.5 HH, 705,000 viewers
4:00AM Samurai Jack 0.5 HH, 613,000 viewers
4:30AM IGPX: Immortal Grand Prix 0.4 HH, 541,000 viewers
5:00AM Star Wars: Clone Wars 0.5 HH, 593,000 viewers
5:30AM Sym-Bionic Titan 0.4 HH, 528,000 viewers



Meh. OP lost to the two shows after it again. Although the whole block was down this week, but it still sucks. Maybe the move to 1:30am is warranted after all.

[Snowmint]

At least the show is getting exposure. I looked at the funimation one piece dub for some one piece videos on youtube and they used to have low views a few years ago. Now they have lots of views! As long as Toonami is alive I think the show will do alright right?

[senjuitama]

Yep. There's also this:

Saturday night’s*TOONAMI*anime programming line-up also scored big:*Naruto*(12:30 a.m.) ranked #1 in its time period among men 18-34, while*One Piece*(1 a.m.) ranked #1 in its time period among adults 18-24 and men 18-24 & 18-34.*Blue Exorcist*(1:30 a.m.) ranked #1 in its time period among adults 18-34 & 18-24, and*Black Lagoon*(2 a.m.) ranked #1 in its time period among adults 18-24.One Piece*grew average delivery year-over-year among adults 18-34 (17 percent) & 18-49 (16 percent) and all targeted male demos (between 4 percent and 33 percent), while*Blue Exorcist*andBlack Lagoon*both grew average delivery among all targeted adults (between 10 percent and 22 percent) and men 18-34 & 18-49.

How are those even relevant, most people watching Toonami at that time of day are in that age range anyway.