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    Well, back at chapter 1 Sexy no Jutsu worked on Sarutobi, for an important plot point(stealing the forbidden scroll), so why not work with the Rabbit Moon queen?

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    I really would have been okay with it as the final move as a full circle thing, especially as a surprise distraction that hadn't been seen in 400 chapters.

    I really would have.

    As *just* the gag to start the fight though its kinda what-the-hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpaceCowboy View Post
    - The 9 tails killed a lot of ninjas and it took a sacrifice by one the best shinobis of all time to seal it. Every other time we see another tailed beast they get owned... One tail, all it took was a Genin and a Summon; the fish beast, a couple of Deidara bombs. Those are some weird power levels

    -The whole elemental chackra thing. It´s a pretty big deal. In fact so big, that you would think they would teach to the young ninjas early... Naruto learned about this after 3 years? No word from Kakashi? Jiraya? To they give so few fucks about Naruto that they can´t even teach this?
    I also remember Kakashi saying that every Jutsu somes from these groups, except for the blood line guys, but what about Shikamary shadows? Chouji fat man techniques? Kiba´s thing? Are those earth? Wind? Fire? Because i simply cannot tell.

    The 1 tail is the weakest biju, and other jutsus like Shikamaru's and Choji's do not use elemental chakra. They use Yin and Yang chakra. It's all there on the wiki. Regarding plot holes just go here: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlotHole

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    I really would have been okay with it as the final move as a full circle thing, especially as a surprise distraction that hadn't been seen in 400 chapters.

    I really would have.

    As *just* the gag to start the fight though its kinda what-the-hell.
    I feel like culturally the Japanese really have a knack on goofy gags, so it's always been so goddamn strange how awkward Kishimoto is with it.
    Even unfunny Japanese humor tends to feel genuine and natural, Kishi is so forced.

    It's like watching a British person fail at being dry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God of Skypeia View Post
    Regarding plot holes just go here: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlotHole
    Thanks for reminding. Lol, how could I forget to check that page for better examples. Apparently some of things we addressed qualify as Plot Hole (Naruto growing up with no guardian, Madara used Susanoo with no eyes etc). Rejoice, people. One Piece has no article in Plot Hole section! Not yet!

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    An example of plot holes is the age of the jonin. Kakashi supposedly became a genin at age 6, but in the flashback that showed how he got his sharingan, he was older when he became a genin. And some younger characters were also his age (I remember that Anko should have been 1 year old when Kakashi got the rank, but she appeared like a 10 year old).

    Another: After Sasori died, Tobi went with Zetsu to look for the body for some reason. Tobi wanted Sasori's ring. Tobi was acting stupid the whole time and asking Zetsu if he could join Akatsuki if he had the ring. The scene doesn't make sense at all since Zetsu knew Tobi was Obito working for Madara, and Obito knew he himself was Akatsuki's leader and also that Zetsu was created by Madara (even if it later was "revealed" that it wasn't the case).

    Also, what happened with Susano'o's sword sealing its targets like it did to Orochimaru? After that his sword became totally normal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royal View Post
    Ugh, if I had a dime for every time I heard THIS.....
    The things such as how Naruto grew up alone, you see that kind of stuff a lot in OP


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    Quote Originally Posted by senjuitama View Post
    The things such as how Naruto grew up alone, you see that kind of stuff a lot in OP
    Who grew up alone in OP?

    Luffy was taken care of my Garp and Dadan
    Nami was raised by Bellemere
    Sanji was taken care of by Zeff and those other chefs beforehand
    Chopper was ostracized by his Reindeer pack and raised by Hiruluk
    Robin was in the care of her aunt, etc.

    The only ones I can think of are maybe Zoro and Usopp after his mother died, but it doesn't really matter. It does matter with Naruto because it makes some of these supposedly good-willed characters who could've taken care of Naruto look like creeps, and...well, someone would've had to have taken care of Naruto from infancy and it raises the question of when and why they stopped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El-Matematico View Post
    Also, what happened with Susano'o's sword sealing its targets like it did to Orochimaru? After that his sword became totally normal.
    It was Itachi-exclusive, although he did manage to seal Nagato afterwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senjuitama View Post
    The things such as how Naruto grew up alone, you see that kind of stuff a lot in OP
    Being OP what? One Piece? No you don't see that at all.

    Luffy -> Childhood wasn't revealed, only in his flashback, but that was after the events of the first chapter. Note that it was shown that the people of the village helped Luffy, for example Makino fed him.

    Coby -> At least after being caught by Alvida, she was his guardian XD. Before that is not revealed.

    Zoro -> Childhood was not revealed, but we're shown to him constantly training in a dojo.

    Nami -> It was totally shown that she grew with Bellmere.

    Ussop -> It was shown that he grew with his mother. After her death nothing is said, but he was older enough to survive alone in some way, and the people in the village all liked him.

    Kaya -> Fathers, after their deaths Merry and Klahador.

    Sanji -> It wasn't revealed. But we know that at some point he became a cook apprentice and after that it was Zeff.

    Chopper -> Animal group, but at some point he was expelled. After that alone, than Doctor, than Doctorine.

    Vivi -> Family.

    Robin -> Mother, Aunt, Alone(from place to place).

    Franky -> Pirate Dad and than Tom.

    Brook -> Not revealed.

    Note: In One Piece the characters that we don't know how they grew that topic was never touched, making it just unknown. In Naruto, Naruto and Sasuke childhood is always being touched and is always answered with alone and everything shown takes that as basis. While Sasuke can still be believable, by a stretch, because what happened when everybody in his clan died? He got alone? Is a little hard to believe that, unless we believe that Konoha village is negligent. But Naruto is totally impossible. From newborn Baby to 13 years old boy, all alone? That is impossible.

    P.S: Funny thing. With the introduction of Sai in Naruto, it is said that Konoha has an orphanage(Kabuto went into an orphanage as well. In konoha or somewhere in the fire country.), but Naruto and Sasuke(after his clan annihilation) grew alone!
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    Not that I really care any more, but right now Nagato is the only one whose soul is sealed away somewhere - preventing him from going to afterlife for all times?

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    I believe Zoro was an orphan child and was taken care by the Dojo he was training under. It's up to debate, but he definitely had parents taking care of him at some point. Usopp was a child too when he lost his mother, but his neighbors actually were not so cold-hearted to leave him alone starving over some childish lies, especially when they were meant to comfort his belated bed-ridden mother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senjuitama View Post
    The things such as how Naruto grew up alone, you see that kind of stuff a lot in OP
    Luffy: Dadan and the bandits. Also in a tiny village as opposed to a massive militarized city.
    Zoro: We don't know.
    Nami: Arlong creepily enough. Also in a tiny village as opposed to a massive militarized city.
    Usopp: Also in a tiny village as opposed to a massive militarized city.
    Sanji: Had a job on a ship, then with Zeff.
    Chopper: Kureha
    Franky: Tom
    Robin: Various organizations that kept being destroyed. Before that her aunt.
    Brooke: I unno.

    Naruto being in the middle of a huge city and living alone from birth and having it not explained is bullshit and lazy.
    We don't really need to know how Usopp or Nojiko managed. They live in tiny villages, the neighbors will make sure they're alright. That sort of thing doesn't happened in cities. Hell he had his literal own apartment where he apparently had his own groceries and shit. What the fuck was going on.
    Was he cared for by ninja social security? Shouldn't he have been in like an orphanage or some sort of institution then? Because he was fucking 12 years old and younger, and clearly not mature?

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    To honor the son of the 4th Hokage, we're giving him his own apartment at age one month. He'll sort himself out, don't worry - bootstraps and all that.

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    You can go through a stretch to explain Zoro, usopp, robin and franky's childhood, but not Naruto? Naruto went to school and also probably had others taking care of him, the leaf wasn't that big. As you guys said, we don't know -.-.

    How did Robin make it to these organisations alone at 8 years old, and she was alone at sea after Ohara. Franky was alone before Tom took him in. Zoro again is unexplained, but it's ok. So is Usopp.


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    You see in all the other villages, even if they hate their jinchuriki like Killerbee and Gaara, they still tried to take care of them and train them as valuable war assets. Naruto they couldn't give less of a shit despite being a hokage's son, container of the most powerful beast, and the sole decedent of the "famous Uzumaki clan" (I assume nobody in the village knew about Karin or Nagato, which also made no sense.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by senjuitama View Post
    You can go through a stretch to explain Zoro, usopp, robin and franky's childhood, but not Naruto? Naruto went to school and also probably had others taking care of him, the leaf wasn't that big. As you guys said, we don't know -.-.

    How did Robin make it to these organisations alone at 8 years old, and she was alone at sea after Ohara. Franky was alone before Tom took him in. Zoro again is unexplained, but it's ok. So is Usopp.
    Let's see.

    Baby:
    Naruto -> Father and Mother died in his first day of life. He lost the direct people that would take care of him.
    Zoro -> Unknown
    Ussop -> Father and Mother lived with him. Father went away sometime around this time and when Ussop was still a kid. Mother took care of him.
    Robin -> Mother took care of her until around 1-3 years. After that Aunt.
    Franky -> Pirate Dad and probably also mother(I don't remember if Franky said Tom that it was only his dad or parents).

    Kid Life:
    Naruto -> Alone. Note that this is multiple times said by Naruto, the multiples melancholic flashbacks he has of his childhood(For example: Him playing with Chouji, Chikamaru and Kiba and in the end he doesn't have a place to go and anybody to take care of him, when the others have.) and the inner thoughts he has. And No, he wasn't taken care of by the third Hokage! That was something of the One-Shot. In the Naruto serialized manga he doesn't ever think of the Hokage has anything like a father figure nor as a guardian, he doesn't even know about the Third Hokage family. For example he doesn't know about Konohamaru existence, kid that is always after his grandfather, until he turns into Genin. Nor he knows about Asuma, nor anybody from Sarutobi family. He only remember of the Hokage as the old guy in the school that would scold his group of friends(Chouji, Shikamaru, Kiba) when they would do something stupid(This is explicitly said by Naruto when Sarutobi died).
    Zoro -> Student from a Dojo.
    Ussop -> Mother died. Started screaming that pirates were coming. Called a liar by everybody in the village. Created his pirate group with the kids of the village and played with them every day.
    Robin -> Old lady took care of her, in exchange for work with the cows and other stuff, before betraying her. Guy and woman took care of her before betraying her because keeping her was dangerous and because of her huge bounty. Garbage dump starving. Pirate found her and took her has his apprentice before the Marines from Headquarters found about that and attacked his crew, he tried to turn her over, but she had already run away. It was showed she running from town to town, some people would try to catch her, others would send her away, even when she was asking for food.
    Franky -> Father or parents left him, because he was a trouble kid. Certainly they were irresponsible parents(or only father). Tom found him.


    Teen Life:
    Naruto(13 years) -> In some apartment, with everything he needs. Alone, not only he said that to Iruka face but do you remember after the Genin test? The parents/legal guardians went there for the promotion of the kids. Naruto had nobody. I believe that was the first sad scene from the manga and anime of Naruto.
    Zoro(age unknown) -> Left to the sea looking for Mihawk, couldn't find his way back to is home, turned into a Pirate Hunter.
    Ussop(until 17? I time that Luffy group found him) -> Still playing with the kids of his fictional pirate crew. Still screaming about pirates arriving in the island. Met Kaya and started telling her stories.
    Robin(since 16 years) -> Looking for work in organizations. Started betraying them. Crocodile found her and ask her to join his organization.
    Franky(age unknown?) -> Tom died. He was almost killed as well. Turned into Cyborg.

    Childhood references during the progress of the story:
    Naruto -> All the time with the theme of being alone all his life. For example: Same as Iruka because it didn't had a family. Same as Sasuke because it didn't had family, but Sasuke argues that at least he knew at some time what a family was, Naruto has no idea whatsoever. Could become like Gaara because like him he was all alone and everybody hated him. And a long list of more examples.
    Zoro -> Rare times referred and only about the promise he made with Kuina and Tashigi being similar with her.
    Ussop -> Only one time in his arc and never again.
    Robin -> In Ennies Lobby arc and after that only rarely(The only other time I remember is When the revolutionaries found her).
    Franky -> Only one time in his arc and never again.

    Did you noticed? Naruto is strongly centered about him being alone for all of his life, turning it into a major theme in the story. The problem is that it doesn't make sense that from the space of time of Newborn Baby to Teen he was alone. But it constantly played as an important emotional aspect.
    Does Zoro childhood, besides the promise with Kuina, plays any role in the story? NO!
    Does Ussop childhood, besides the fact of why he started to lie, plays any role in the story? NO!
    Does Robin childhood plays any role in the story? Yes! And is explained accordingly! Here the chapter with Robin childhood after the Buster Call in Ohara.
    Does Franky childhood plays any role in the story? Yes, but only in the Water Seven/Ennies Lobby Arc! And is explained accordingly!

    Harry Potter uses the same emotional aspect as Naruto and like Naruto is also strongly centered about it: kid that lost is parents when he was still a newborn Baby. One thing that Harry Potter resolved from the start was telling how he survived/lived his childhood, Aunt and Uncle has his guardians. To still make it a sad emotional impact, they treated him very badly and always preferred their son over him. This formula, of guardians being bad guys, is used over and over and over again. Why? Because it works and makes the rest of the story and the emotional aspect of the childhood make sense. Even One Piece uses that to Robin.
    Worse is that Kishimoto handled that aspect in his One-shot of Naruto. One shot that was more focused about the emotional aspect of lack friends and true friendship!
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    ^ Franky was 26 when Tom-san died.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senjuitama View Post
    Naruto went to school and also probably had others taking care of him
    Who? Who took care of him? Everyone has hated this kid's guts pretty much from birth. Who would volunteer for it? And going to school is not the same as being cared for.

    the leaf wasn't that big.
    Yes it is. Despite it's title as a "village" it's big enough to be a city.

    How did Robin make it to these organisations alone at 8 years old, and she was alone at sea after Ohara.
    She didn't join criminal organizations immediately. She did odd jobs for farmers and merchants and stuff in exchange for shelter, then did jobs for low-level pirates and then joined bigger organizations who wanted her ability to read Poneglyphs. There's even a scene where she was residing in a garbage dump. She was a vagrant in the truest sense of the word.

    Franky was alone before Tom took him in.
    No he wasn't. His parents raised him until they abandoned him and Tom took him in shortly thereafter.

    Zoro again is unexplained, but it's ok. So is Usopp.
    Very little is known about Zoro's past and it doesn't really matter. For all we know, his parents really did take care of him.

    And with Usopp, again, he lived in a close knit village where people look out for each other.

    With Naruto it doesn't work because Kishi has put so much emphasis on his past and how he was despised by the village and put him in this weird scenario where he lives alone in an apartment, so it's really distracting and doesn't add up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senjuitama View Post
    You can go through a stretch to explain Zoro, usopp, robin and franky's childhood, but not Naruto?
    No one is trying to explain Zoro's childhood because there's nothing to explain.
    Zoro is never shown as having or not having parents. We don't know anything about his childhood other than that he went to a dojo and was friends with Kuina.
    Robin what the fuck are you talking about, we know exactly who was taking care of her and then how she was living after that.
    Franky also what the fuck are you talking about. His parents abandoned him and he was a little punk orphan who Tom essentially adopted.

    So that leaves only Usopp who was an orphan in a tiny village in the middle of nowhere not associated with so much as a single major thing.
    Naruto was an orphan of HUGE profile in a massive militarized city who even had potentially dangerous powers inside of him, who apparently somehow had an apartment where he maintained groceries on his own apparently from the age of birth.
    Hell we can even account for how Usopp had a house, it was the same house his mom owned when she died. This is literally shown to us.
    In tiny villages it's abnormal to like, let a child starve, mostly because everyone knows everyone in tiny villages. It's pretty obvious to imagine how Usopp got by.
    Naruto apparently knew nobody and had no friends or caretakers whatsoever. If he did they would be pretty goddamned important characters considering his relationship with Iruka at the start seemed to be about the only positive human contact he had on earth.
    If Usopp had grown up in Water7 I'd agree with you here, but it was the complete opposite of that.

    Naruto went to school and also probably had others taking care of him, the leaf wasn't that big. As you guys said, we don't know -.-.
    Leaf is the biggest ninja city, "5 Stars" according to the data books. So as big as possible essentially.
    And just take a fucking look at it. It's a huge city.
    Who took care of Naruto? Who was buying him an apartment and groceries? Why haven't we met this person?
    Why hasn't this outcast who hated everyone because everyone seemed to hate him never mentioned that someone actually treated him nicely prior to Iruka.
    Him going to school has nothing to do with anything at all. And he wouldn't have gone to school...from birth.
    There's a massive amount of questions about something that needs explaining and doesn't make a lot of sense. But of course it just goes to show how Kishimoto was never truly very good at world building when he can't even account for basic believability like that.
    How did Robin make it to these organisations alone at 8 years old,
    Oda literally fucking had a whole chapter about this. Don't make these terrible arguments when you apparently forgot what even happened.
    She initially relied on normal everyday people taking her in as an orphan, eventually she transitioned to pirates and the like because she couldn't trust normal people. But her bounty eventually got all the people she stayed with taken out...or had them turn on her. This is shown in the manga.
    And probably most of the time she lived in the streets as a homeless child. This is shown in the manga.

    Are you suggesting Naruto lived in the fucking streets lol.
    and she was alone at sea after Ohara.
    Aokiji created a complete ice path for her to some destination away from the island. He didn't just randomly put her on a boat and send her into the open sea. This is shown in the manga.
    Franky was alone before Tom took him in.
    Yes as a feral street punk living in the ghettos of Water7.

    Again, are you suggesting something as completely retarded as Naruto having lived as a miserable street urchin? A thing completely implausible given every single thing about his characterization?
    Even if we WERE to assume that, how did he get an apartment later lol.
    Zoro again is unexplained,
    Zoro isn't fucking unexplained.

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