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    Kubo probably forgot ishida has a dad.
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    One question that came to mind - why is Madara evil? I just realized that, even though we've had two extremely long flashbacks which focused on him, I can't recall any sort of explanation for that.

    Even Obito has some sort of reason, even if it's a horrible one, but for Madara, I'm not sure why he's doing all of this. It's not because he didn't get to control Konoha, since he ruined his own chances for that by openly sabotaging peace talks that he was supposed to lead, which wouldn't exactly make him come across as a good diplomat, and it's not because the Uchiha were marginalized, since that happened during the time of the Second Hokage, which was after he supposedly died. I don't think it was even because his brother died, since he seemed to waste no time in gouging out his brother's eye to get more power.

    I'd rather not reread this train wreck of a war to get an answer for this (it was painful enough the first time around, and I'd have to go back a ludicrous amount of chapters to get the answer), but if anyone recalls why that's the case, that would be great. Normally, I'm not too concerned with the reasons why villains do what they do (if they even get an explanation, it's either nowhere near enough to justify their actions or ridiculously over-the-top in most cases), but given how much time we've already spent on Madara's past, you'd think that a reason would be given somewhere.

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    Wasn't he thinking that the world can't be changed and that there will always be wars, thus he wants to slave the entire world and put them into the matrix?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megadoomer View Post
    One question that came to mind - why is Madara evil? I just realized that, even though we've had two extremely long flashbacks which focused on him, I can't recall any sort of explanation for that.

    Even Obito has some sort of reason, even if it's a horrible one, but for Madara, I'm not sure why he's doing all of this. It's not because he didn't get to control Konoha, since he ruined his own chances for that by openly sabotaging peace talks that he was supposed to lead, which wouldn't exactly make him come across as a good diplomat, and it's not because the Uchiha were marginalized, since that happened during the time of the Second Hokage, which was after he supposedly died. I don't think it was even because his brother died, since he seemed to waste no time in gouging out his brother's eye to get more power.

    I'd rather not reread this train wreck of a war to get an answer for this (it was painful enough the first time around, and I'd have to go back a ludicrous amount of chapters to get the answer), but if anyone recalls why that's the case, that would be great. Normally, I'm not too concerned with the reasons why villains do what they do (if they even get an explanation, it's either nowhere near enough to justify their actions or ridiculously over-the-top in most cases), but given how much time we've already spent on Madara's past, you'd think that a reason would be given somewhere.
    It's pretty straightforward. Madara and Hashirama saw things in a very similar way: the eternal warring with cycles of paranoia and vengeance that defined their lives should come to an end. And they made this happen. But while Hashirama was content with having made the Leaf, and aimed to create a balance of power that would keep peace. Madara was probably pushed by not being Hokage, but really it was he realised (or thought) that the solution was imperfect. In practice, a balance would never hold and peace would never come about just because humans are flawed and prone to warring over all sorts of reasons. This, in time, led him to construct his master plan of putting everyone into an illusion where there was peace under his control. And so there would be no more war. And everyone would be happy.

    Why he attacks the Leaf repeatedly is a little bit more mysterious. Perhaps he was in part trying to show Hashirama that his method was flawed: that there would be rogue factions like Madara through all time who would be dissatisfied and would cause more pain and suffering. Alternatively, we know Madara personally enjoys combat, so perhaps he just really wanted to fight (and kill) the man he'd fought so many times before. Maybe some combination of the two.

    We know Madara was right, of course. There have been three great ninja wars. And they have clearly had horrible human cost both during and after. See things like the fiasco with Neji's father ... or the death of Tsunade's brother ... or any of the many battlefield casualties, implied or otherwise, that we've seen. The balance of power didn't work. And that failure created the likes of Pain and Akatsuki. Granted Madara gave Nagato the power to do what he did, and he planted ideas and did his subtle influencing, but it's clear that something like that would have come about even if he hadn't ...

    PII of Naruto has essentially, at it's core, been about this. Kishimoto meandered for, well, quite a while, but this was the whole deal about trying to find a way for peace. Jiraiya struggled and couldn't do it, and he passed the torch on to Naruto. Nagato thought he had a way, but was being pulled along by Madara the whole time, and in the end gave in to Naruto's stubborn determination that "It'll work out somehow." Now Madara (and formerly Obito) are trying to do the same, and once again, the protagonists are standing against with "Yeah, you're right, but I'd rather stubbornly try and make it work out somehow than live in a fake world where I don't have real choices with real impact."

    To digress a little, it's an interesting - if entirely unoriginal - theme. It hasn't been played amazingly well, and it's been choked by a bloated war and worse, a bloated battle. And Sasuke's unimpressive silence (but that's the whole of PII really). But it's a nice core to the close of the series - Madara's motivations are compelling, even if Kishimoto does his best to obscure them. Naruto's motivations to oppose him are again quite compelling, and very typical of Naruto, even if they don't get proper focus. And Sasuke's motivations being basically in line with Naruto's but for far more complex and much more recent reasons would be compelling, if Kishimoto would give him a speech bubble with something other than elipses, functional dialogue or "I want to be Hokage."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MajinArekkusu View Post
    Wasn't he thinking that the world can't be changed and that there will always be wars, thus he wants to slave the entire world and put them into the matrix?

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    What if madara's motivation for the war is some kinda watchmen scenario where a great danger emerges and the warring factions put aside their differences and come together to defeat this evil? What if this entire war was his illusion and he is just playing a big bad guy in order to create a big enough treat for the nations to come together and accomplish his dream of a united peaceful world? Its a total asspull but Im not putting it past kishi to make madara a secret good guy all along like itachi.

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    Putting everyone under genjutsu is pretty deranged but Nagato/Pein's plan for peace was the craziest.

    Http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/436/14

    It was basically nuke the world every once in a while to keep people in line and create short periods of peace. HA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zxcv11791 View Post
    What if madara's motivation for the war is some kinda watchmen scenario where a great danger emerges and the warring factions put aside their differences and come together to defeat this evil? What if this entire war was his illusion and he is just playing a big bad guy in order to create a big enough treat for the nations to come together and accomplish his dream of a united peaceful world? Its a total asspull but Im not putting it past kishi to make madara a secret good guy all along like itachi.
    That would be Twilight level writing so yeah...it could happen.
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    As much as i despise Bleach, i am always looking forward for some more strong villains. Which i think is done better than the heroes in this series. I need more Starrk, Halibel, Barragran, Nnoitra or Ulquiorra. They are all bad ass in their own way. Bazz B was giving me the same Espada vibe but he turned out to be another noisy riled up villain like Grimmjow (at least Grimmjow was entertaining).

    And so far the good guys outweighs the bad guys in terms of number. I need Kubo to introduce more villains. Sternritter just doesn't cut it for me. And they are meant to fight Gotei 13 clearly. So who's gonna fight The Royal Guards? Hopefully Vasto Lorde makes their entrance soon. Hollows > Quincies

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    Quote Originally Posted by zym View Post
    Does it make me a bad person if I read through "serious" Naruto forums (with the assumption that Naruto trumps all other mangas), just for laughs and face palms?
    My greatest fear is that Naruto fans come to this forum and watch us praise One Piece while laughing about it. I lie awake at night wondering if we're all just as blind as they are.....


    Then I see shit like this and remember that there's no way we're all that fucking crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botnus View Post
    As much as i despise Bleach, i am always looking forward for some more strong villains. Which i think is done better than the heroes in this series. I need more Starrk, Halibel, Barragran, Nnoitra or Ulquiorra. They are all bad ass in their own way. Bazz B was giving me the same Espada vibe but he turned out to be another noisy riled up villain like Grimmjow (at least Grimmjow was entertaining).
    No, this is not what we need. What Kubo sucks at is making villains that are extremely broken only to nerf them for the heroes to defeat, either through the villains' stupidity or a heroic bullshit power up. I felt that the Espada had some potential but they were thrown away so early and Kubo tried to sneak in backstories every time one died to make us care about them or something. What we need is a villain that doesn't have a Kubo-esque OP power but wins through skills and smarts. A sort of "Jackie Chan environmental fighter" if you know what I mean.
    And so far the good guys outweighs the bad guys in terms of number. I need Kubo to introduce more villains. Sternritter just doesn't cut it for me. And they are meant to fight Gotei 13 clearly. So who's gonna fight The Royal Guards? Hopefully Vasto Lorde makes their entrance soon. Hollows > Quincies
    So 26+ uber nazis aren't good enough for you? If Kubo throws Aizen and/or the Fullbringers into the fray, I'm going to rage. There are more than enough villains already and if Kubo keeps up the one-on-ones, there should be enough for the royal guards. The Hollows were already made irrelevant by Bach anyway so why would they show up?

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    Kishi tried hard to make Sakura reach Karin status in these past couple chapters, and I think he succeeded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botnus View Post
    As much as i despise Bleach, i am always looking forward for some more strong villains. Which i think is done better than the heroes in this series. I need more Starrk, Halibel, Barragran, Nnoitra or Ulquiorra. They are all bad ass in their own way. Bazz B was giving me the same Espada vibe but he turned out to be another noisy riled up villain like Grimmjow (at least Grimmjow was entertaining).

    And so far the good guys outweighs the bad guys in terms of number. I need Kubo to introduce more villains. Sternritter just doesn't cut it for me. And they are meant to fight Gotei 13 clearly. So who's gonna fight The Royal Guards? Hopefully Vasto Lorde makes their entrance soon. Hollows > Quincies
    Off the top of my head:

    1- The bolded names are among the most disapointing villains in the manga. They got defeated with extreme ease. Then again, Ulquiorra gave us The Heart, so he's out too. That leaves Nnoitra as a somewhat decent villain.

    2- The current villain group is overpopulated as hell. It's twice the size of the Dofla family. 26 freaking enemies. More villains? Oh hell no, no no NO please NO!

    3- If I recall correctly, most Espadas already were Vasto Lordes. Yeah, the almighty, "Soul Society destroyers", overhyped and never properly introduced or defined Vasto Lordes were the likes of Barragan or Stark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kouch_lee View Post
    Off the top of my head:

    1- The bolded names are among the most disapointing villains in the manga. They got defeated with extreme ease. Then again, Ulquiorra gave us The Heart, so he's out too. That leaves Nnoitra as a somewhat decent villain.

    2- The current villain group is overpopulated as hell. It's twice the size of the Dofla family. 26 freaking enemies. More villains? Oh hell no, no no NO please NO!

    3- If I recall correctly, most Espadas already were Vasto Lordes. Yeah, the almighty, "Soul Society destroyers", overhyped and never properly introduced or defined Vasto Lordes were the likes of Barragan or Stark.
    No group of character were overhyped as much as the vizards .

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    Exactly, and now look what they are now.^^
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    The problem with the quincies is not how many they are, but with how they are fleshed out. When Kubo was doing the Arrancar arc, you could clearly see that he wanted to make each Espada unique and focused on their development. Even if they were trashed in their fights and didn't live up to the strength they are supposed to have, Kubo focused on developing each one of them and that's why they became such a popular group (obviously, this doesn't include the ugly ones).

    The quincies? No. Nobody cares about them, they are "monsters of the week". Ok, I admit with them, Kubo is fixing something he did wrong with the Espada: he is always trying to make clear those guys prove to be as strong as Kubo says they are. But so what? What is the point in making enemies so strong if you completely forget to make them likable? They are a bunch of names thrown into ours faces to simply hold the plot back, not a single one of them adds anything to the story. They don't have any substance as individual characters, they don't have any kind of identity as a group, they are just wasting our time.
    Also, making really strong enemies also become irrelevant when you know every time a good guy is defeated someone even stronger will make a flashy entrance and save him in the nick of time.

    And to think this arc and the SR seemed so incredibly promising back in the time Quilge was fighting in Hueco Mundo and Byakuya was supposedly being killed in Soul Society. I really thought Bleach was going back to its tracks back then.

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    Kirge seems bizarrely out of place compared to the current Stern Ritters. Its like, in making him, Kubo used up all fucks to give about what makes a quincy a quincy.

    Will agree that the Espada were ultimately more memorable than these mooks, but as you say, its a tradeoff: More developed and hyped characters with abysmal payoffs, vs completenon-entities with mercifully "short" panel time.

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    I just noticed this (bottom left)

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    Naruto full color last chapter chapter, from digital Jump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigivel View Post
    Naruto full color last chapter chapter, from digital Jump.

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    Why is the ground purple? Odd choice.
    Well, doesn't make the backgrounds any more exciting.

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    Does anyone know if there's some place I can find all the color pages of Bleach since the war began?

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