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    This is the Kingdom thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KageKageKing View Post
    This is the Kingdom thread.
    Click the link and read on bby

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    Oh. Okay then. I don't read Ippo, but I guess it's something it would be there, yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KageKageKing View Post
    Oh. Okay then. I don't read Ippo, but I guess it's something it would be there, yeah.
    I don't blame you for not picking up on that, I barely ever post so hard to get much of a read I'd imagine.

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    Ousen repeats his favorite strategy


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    Duke Hyou appreciation chapter>>>>>>>>

  8. #3948

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    I like it, thats what Kingdom is about.
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    So I watched the movie and besides watching shounen translated into real life being certain cringe worthy at some points,
    The casting was great. Terrible use of transition though.
    I feel like once you see it in the big screen, it feels weird how the series jumps back and forth realism and fantasy aspects and this is even more glaring in live action

    Also there wasn't any grandeur of troops against troops because first arc and budget but overall it's pretty decent except for Asian bad cgi hulk.

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    Ugh, should have known it would be about general type-casting again.

    I mean it's cool, but just tone down with everyone acknowledging it as a trait attributed at character creation.
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    It makes no sense and you'll be dead before you're finished.

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    Ousen's formation


    Spoiler:

  12. #3952

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    Chapter is out

    Also, yet again a break next week.

    Spoiler:
    Its talking time.
    Besides that, I still have a hard time believing how suddenly the Qin are dominating out of the blue and not really sold by the genius tactic ... to use no tactic at all.
    And while Ousen should have lost long ago due to his inactivity, right now Riboku looks pretty terrible. The whole arc has that dilemma to hype up both Riboku and Ousen and, at least in my eyes, Hara is doing a very poor job with that [compare that to Renpa vs Kanki/Ousen for example, where both sides looked competent]
    Despite all the complains, I still enjoyed the latest chapters

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    Just a funny thing I noticed in second page. Behold, the Ousen have a clone army.

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    I personally like it. The development etc... Its interesting and lets not forget this is shounen, so hold your horses on anything deeper
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    * seinen

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    "Seinen"

    This would be in Shonen Jump back in the day.

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    Could be given that there are changes in demographics from time to time, but that doesn't change the fact that this series is published in a magazine with an intended audience that is older than the shonen demographic.

    In the same way that "Kaguya wants to be confessed to" is published in the very same magazine as Kingdom without any of a lot of things it could otherwise get away with in a seinen magazine or how when "Attack on Titan" came out people thought it was published in a seinen magazine because of its gore. Or how JoJo went from shonen to seinen without much of any change in terms of Araki's writing style.

    In that same way, Kingdom is written with the intent to appeal to an older audience regardless of what archetypes and tropes it uses. Saying otherwise also implies that shonen series are limited in how good their writing can be and that other seinen series can't have more simplistic writing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Hermit View Post
    Could be given that there are changes in demographics from time to time, but that doesn't change the fact that this series is published in a magazine with an intended audience that is older than the shonen demographic.

    In the same way that "Kaguya wants to be confessed to" is published in the very same magazine as Kingdom without any of a lot of things it could otherwise get away with in a seinen magazine or how when "Attack on Titan" came out people thought it was published in a seinen magazine because of its gore. Or how JoJo went from shonen to seinen without much of any change in terms of Araki's writing style.

    In that same way, Kingdom is written with the intent to appeal to an older audience regardless of what archetypes and tropes it uses. Saying otherwise also implies that shonen series are limited in how good their writing can be and that other seinen series can't have more simplistic writing.
    This series was much more 'seinen' at start but started to drift towards typical shounen tropes and style during coalition arc in my observation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenix_fire View Post
    Chapter is out

    Also, yet again a break next week.

    Spoiler:
    Its talking time.
    Besides that, I still have a hard time believing how suddenly the Qin are dominating out of the blue and not really sold by the genius tactic ... to use no tactic at all.
    And while Ousen should have lost long ago due to his inactivity, right now Riboku looks pretty terrible. The whole arc has that dilemma to hype up both Riboku and Ousen and, at least in my eyes, Hara is doing a very poor job with that [compare that to Renpa vs Kanki/Ousen for example, where both sides looked competent]
    Despite all the complains, I still enjoyed the latest chapters
    Itīs connected to the two main major problems Kingdom has in my opinion

    1) Lack of necessary build-up for adversaries and allies aside. Hara always brings new guys that apparently are on par or even better than the previous guys, to oneup over and over, but it lacks credibility since they come out of nowhere. There is no transparency in the major players and how they compare to each other.
    This is one of the main things Oda does really well for example, just to draw a comparison.

    2) Since neither the tactics (unless itīs a very simple yet effective one like Ousen in the coalition war against the mountain folk) nor the martial might are really transparent, all Hara can rely on is third person commentary and reaction faces, but they quickly lose their impact since the expressions and surprise faces are always the same, and you never get a grasp of different levels of generals and their proficiency really.
    With Kanki for example itīs way easier for Hara since what makes Kanki special is his unorthodox tactics and his cruelty, both on a physical and mental manner, so his tactics against Kisui for example really left an impression, or what he did in the coalition war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandian View Post
    This series was much more 'seinen' at start but started to drift towards typical shounen tropes and style during coalition arc in my observation.
    You could make that argument that there's a lot of moments that rely on the pluck of the young and upcoming to win against insurmountable odds, but that's also kinda been the MO of the series since the start?

    It's just hard to pin down exactly what fits into a seinen vs shonen archetype other than people associating big ol' brainless fights with shonen and more "adult" themes and combat with seinen, but I'd tend to find that line blurred a lot. The flaws with the series' writing are actually pretty well boiled down here by MiyamotoMusashi:

    Quote Originally Posted by MiyamotoMusashi View Post
    Itīs connected to the two main major problems Kingdom has in my opinion

    1) Lack of necessary build-up for adversaries and allies aside. Hara always brings new guys that apparently are on par or even better than the previous guys, to oneup over and over, but it lacks credibility since they come out of nowhere. There is no transparency in the major players and how they compare to each other.
    This is one of the main things Oda does really well for example, just to draw a comparison.

    2) Since neither the tactics (unless itīs a very simple yet effective one like Ousen in the coalition war against the mountain folk) nor the martial might are really transparent, all Hara can rely on is third person commentary and reaction faces, but they quickly lose their impact since the expressions and surprise faces are always the same, and you never get a grasp of different levels of generals and their proficiency really.
    With Kanki for example itīs way easier for Hara since what makes Kanki special is his unorthodox tactics and his cruelty, both on a physical and mental manner, so his tactics against Kisui for example really left an impression, or what he did in the coalition war.
    P much. It gets progressively more difficult for us to believe that, when Qin is basically on a 10 year winning streak that they're the underdog in any fight, and Hara is and has never been very good at long term planning or pacing, introducing the Qin Six and the Zhao three as the major forces, and then suddenly the wei fire dragons. Hara's main strategy with antagonists basically gets summed up to introducing a never before seen general rather than laying out long term threats over time, which is out of the blue and completely unexpected given our understanding of the war dynamics in China.

    Which is how we ended up here. Because the wars that actually unify China don't start for another seven years. We're stuck for years in real time on relatively small scale skirmishes like this one. Not that this battle isn't important, but how we got here highlights Hara's desire to set up a credible threat. If Qin is on a win streak, we'll just have zhao set up a complete loss condition unless they can secure this one city. Stakes are higher than ever, and new generals are introduced that were stronger than the last bozos. There's still some very important stuff that happens in the interim between this battle and the fall of the first state, but Hara likes to drag the whole affair out such that unless we move at a breakneck pace after this that I don't know if we'll ever see China united. Or if it'll be satisfying given that Hara continues to need to escalate and will have to at least six more times.

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