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    For me everything as expected
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    Chapter's out

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    Talk no Jutsu, heh.
    But at least that speech had some hoomph to it, and you gotta love the Shin-style (lack of) Strategy

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    When all else fails, use brute force.
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    Or shounen ass pull haha but great i like it��
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    Little unfair to call it a "shonen asspull", when there are historical records of speeches like this before battles. Not to mention all the movies, shows and books that have them in variations. And it's not like this is a historical documentary to begin with.

    But damn am I invested. Felt something not unlike goosebumps, same as when Yotanwa gave her speech. He's really good at creating the atmosphere.

    And also, no point riling up the men for battle, only to have them sit on their asses and wait to be attacked. This attack order it something I can easilly imagine that maniac Duke Hyou giving. So capitalize on the momentum and keep it up, while it's still early in the day. Zhou side now doesn't have time for any speeches and have lost the initiative. What Chougaryuu wanted to avoid is happening before the battle even started. No doubt Ouhon is doing the same, and Akou army, being experienced proffesionals will follow along.
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    Okay its a morale boost, but isnt that exactly what the Zhao had planned for? A last desperate move by the enemy?
    And while it might be possible for a random general to have considered the battle already as good as won, this is Riboku we are speaking about, the supposedly genius. I fail to see how he could not plan for exactly that.

    This turns out as I had feared: Either Ousen pulls some miracle out of the hat and wins the battle (and lets not forget, that Riboku has even outside the rigth wing a superiority of forces in the middle and left) which would make Riboku look like an idiot for throwing away a perfect opportunity; or Riboku wins in the end but that would lead to even more questions why Ousen was so passive all the time.

    In the end, I still like that sort of battle speech to fire up the troops better then any other explanations for the awaking, so lets see how it will play out.
    Though I fear that the next 1-2 chapters will only be the good guys kicking ass and then we still have an extremely likely break, so it will be some time.


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    Zhou side now doesn't have time for any speeches and have lost the initiative.
    They dont need speeches.

    They are fighting on their own ground against an enemy invasion of their most hasted neighbour.
    They are fighting for the very survival of their nation (and historicallly Qin had a very black reputation)
    They are fighting that a major city filled to the brim with refugees did not fall to someone like Kanki.
    They are fighting while knowing that (supposedly savage) qin-allied barbarian tribes are running amok in their backs.

    The Zhao should be motivated enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenix_fire View Post
    Okay its a morale boost, but isnt that exactly what the Zhao had planned for? A last desperate move by the enemy?
    And while it might be possible for a random general to have considered the battle already as good as won, this is Riboku we are speaking about, the supposedly genius. I fail to see how he could not plan for exactly that.

    This turns out as I had feared: Either Ousen pulls some miracle out of the hat and wins the battle (and lets not forget, that Riboku has even outside the rigth wing a superiority of forces in the middle and left) which would make Riboku look like an idiot for throwing away a perfect opportunity; or Riboku wins in the end but that would lead to even more questions why Ousen was so passive all the time.

    In the end, I still like that sort of battle speech to fire up the troops better then any other explanations for the awaking, so lets see how it will play out.
    Though I fear that the next 1-2 chapters will only be the good guys kicking ass and then we still have an extremely likely break, so it will be some time.
    No? Last chapter Chougaryuu specifically says he wants to defeat QR before they get the desperation power up. Too late for that now.

    And Ousen doesn't even need a miracle. A detachment of soldiers sent in from the flank at the right timing would be enough to turn the tide. It doesn't even need to be so wildly unexpected as what Riboku did to Makou.


    Quote Originally Posted by phoenix_fire View Post
    They dont need speeches.

    They are fighting on their own ground against an enemy invasion of their most hasted neighbour.
    They are fighting for the very survival of their nation (and historicallly Qin had a very black reputation)
    They are fighting that a major city filled to the brim with refugees did not fall to someone like Kanki.
    They are fighting while knowing that (supposedly savage) qin-allied barbarian tribes are running amok in their backs.

    The Zhao should be motivated enough.
    Yes they do. Hungry men, fighting day after day can sometimes lose sight of the big picture. That's what leaders are for, in the end.

    Don't see how their leaders riling them up, reminding them of what is at stake, could hurt their stats.
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    Fuck tactics and strategy, just rile up your men lol You know I can get a little morale boost can turn things around but when it's the only plan they have, they deserve to get murdered.

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    "Attacking" is equally good as "defending", as far as plans go. Didn't see them working out any strategy before morning. And tactics can always be applied. That's what troop training is for, amongst other things.

    Of course, Hara can still make it terrible.
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    Ride of the Rohi..erm Hi Shin Unit.

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    I want to see Ouhon's speech.

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    I still expect this battle to be magnificent and valient effort from the units will do wonders and be vital to this entire battle but, I still think it will be all according to Ousen plan and just a thing that allows him to shine and take the spot light. Lets not forget two main armies arent even in the fight yet

    Btw I admit I am a bit bothered by all the whiney strategy Ten is doing for Shin, he is the guy who should be calling for shots maybe let her have a say and hold her on, but come on man you aint about to be a great general of the heavens who is a complete mess without his tactician...
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    Team Shin uses brute force. Team Ouhon backs them up with tactics. Ousen takes all the credit.

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    Yeah, Ousen is definitely not above using other commanders, like he's shown with Heki before. They're all just pawns to him. I wouldn't be surprised if he made them sweat blood just to capitalize on their success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TLC View Post
    Fuck tactics and strategy, just rile up your men lol You know I can get a little morale boost can turn things around but when it's the only plan they have, they deserve to get murdered.
    But Hara already made it clear that even Ten is struggling to come up with a convincing plan at this point. So Shin doing a brute charge doesn't seem that much of a surprise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by auem View Post
    But Hara already made it clear that even Ten is struggling to come up with a convincing plan at this point. So Shin doing a brute charge doesn't seem that much of a surprise.
    Oh sure, I get they're in a no win scenario. So they shouldn't win. But it's a shonen series so they'll bullshit their way out of it.

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    I thought Kingdom was Seinen.

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    I get your gripe, but it's not like armies winning battles against odds is something unheard of in history.

    A charge can also be called a tactic. A shock attack if you will.

    And maybe it won't make that much of a difference. We'll just have to wait and see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KageKageKing View Post
    I thought Kingdom was Seinen.
    Lol, it likes to pretend to be but it's Shonen af

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    Quote Originally Posted by KageKageKing View Post
    I thought Kingdom was Seinen.
    Kingdom is the type of seinen that would actually be in Shonen Jump back in the 80's with the likes of Fist of the North Star and City Hunter.

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