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  1. #81

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    We can talk more about the whole game another time, but I can agree with most of your points in the spoiler. A few things I will argue though.

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    I didn't like the final dungeon. After everything that happened it just felt random and unnecessary. I understand the idea behind adding it and the whole symbolism thing but at that point I just wanted the game to end and having to go through a large uninspired dungeon just grated me a bit. Good thing is the faster battle system makes it less of a pain, especially since breaking the game made pretty much all the encounters a nonproblem.

    As for the Civil War aspect, they are pretty light on the bad things going on when it is happening. That said it's not a huge downside and for me one of my favorite parts is actually something I feel they did right. The whole part with the merchant town being in mostly ruins was really well done. It wasn't graphic but having seen many times before how peaceful the town was and then a sudden change I actually got really emotional towards that scene. At that point I really wanted to get to Jusis's father and give those townspeople justice. Yes, there was only one notable death but overall it was very effective for what was only involving NPCs.

    Also, for antagonists I have to give props to Vita. Unlike Weissman she was interesting all around and seemed like she was nice but also had a bit of that evil side as well. Like you said, these characters shined much better than most of the antagonists from Sky SC. Sounds like Loewe was pretty strong but my impression was he wasn't close to Mcburn's level. Everyone was memorable in this game while in the other one it was only Renne, Loewe, and Bleublanc that really stood out. I think this game had the advantage of having a bigger world having been explored already and opening everything for what seems to be the big climax for everything going on.

    One last thing is I really agree with the Olivier stuff. We knew from Sky that he was smarter then he was acting, and seeing his actions blossom into what they did was great. Between Sky and Steel he really stands out as a great character and everytime I got to see him I got excited.

  2. #82

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Franky Tank View Post
    We can talk more about the whole game another time, but I can agree with most of your points in the spoiler. A few things I will argue though.

    Spoiler:
    I didn't like the final dungeon. After everything that happened it just felt random and unnecessary. I understand the idea behind adding it and the whole symbolism thing but at that point I just wanted the game to end and having to go through a large uninspired dungeon just grated me a bit. Good thing is the faster battle system makes it less of a pain, especially since breaking the game made pretty much all the encounters a nonproblem.

    As for the Civil War aspect, they are pretty light on the bad things going on when it is happening. That said it's not a huge downside and for me one of my favorite parts is actually something I feel they did right. The whole part with the merchant town being in mostly ruins was really well done. It wasn't graphic but having seen many times before how peaceful the town was and then a sudden change I actually got really emotional towards that scene. At that point I really wanted to get to Jusis's father and give those townspeople justice. Yes, there was only one notable death but overall it was very effective for what was only involving NPCs.

    Also, for antagonists I have to give props to Vita. Unlike Weissman she was interesting all around and seemed like she was nice but also had a bit of that evil side as well. Like you said, these characters shined much better than most of the antagonists from Sky SC. Sounds like Loewe was pretty strong but my impression was he wasn't close to Mcburn's level. Everyone was memorable in this game while in the other one it was only Renne, Loewe, and Bleublanc that really stood out. I think this game had the advantage of having a bigger world having been explored already and opening everything for what seems to be the big climax for everything going on.

    One last thing is I really agree with the Olivier stuff. We knew from Sky that he was smarter then he was acting, and seeing his actions blossom into what they did was great. Between Sky and Steel he really stands out as a great character and everytime I got to see him I got excited.
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    Yeah like I said it's more a gameplay thing. The dungeon itself was definitely uninspiring and the story value was rather low as well it was just one last JRPG trope. Did not fit pacing wise. It would have worked way better as an optional dungeon somewhere before the infernal palace.
    But I appreciate that I can make my whole party op through that dungeon. It encourages me to switch party members conistently as well, cause with all the top quartz aside from the imba duo laura and emma all the other ones are kind of competitive fulfilling weird niches. If it weren't for it I'd probably just settle into a main party cause switching quart around is a bit cumbersome.

    One of my niche setups was Gaius with high speed and thor quartz. With his CP charge for life which gets restored a 100% by Thor he has impressive sustained dpr(damage per round).

    I actually forgot about Vita somehow I had the feeling I forgot someone while doing the write up as well. Yeah Vita was great. She actually made me have doubts if Ourouboros agenda is inherintly evil or if the evil we experienced were more related to the approaches of each Anguises, meaning Weissman just being more of an asshole than necessary, in the end the dude even seemed to stray away from the plan if I remember right by becoming the avatar of the liberl septerion.
    Because Vita seemed to be very goal driven and ready to make sacrifices but she did seem to try to make and effort to not spread harm if not necessary. And then we have Duvalie swooning over the 7th Anguis and the game seems to make a point that those two seem to be of somewhat noble character.

    As for Leon, yeah my impression as well, but from what I've read from the Trails geeks that played through all the games, the universe regards him as insanely top tier strong. Like Leon, McBurn, Victor, Yun Kafei, Cassius and likely the grandmaster seem to be in the same echelon of power. Definitely a disconnect for me here. I'll chalk it up to the graphical garnishes that are possible in full 3d that made many of the Cold Steel powerhouses seem way mightier than the ones in Sky.

    Another thing because I've ranted so much about many of the new systems. I think the one think I really like is the character profile section in the student handbook. Not necessarily the update note thing. But now that I finished the 2 games it kind of helps a bit keeping track of many of the side character story lines, and in Cold Steel a good chunk of those are storylines revolving around other students.
    Hope the section in the future extends to include notes for all the characters that have storylines. It's also nice to check in for a quick reminder on some stuff.


    Also did you do the sidequest with the wandering priest where you're chasing him from church to church?
    It's a key quest that people have used as an example of what might be in store for Gaius. It's super interesting would love to share it and see what you think about that one but I don't want to spoil it. Also things related are apparently some content that is only accessible in a NG+ run.

  3. #83

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    I did that quest but never really got any indication that it actually related to Gaius. The only thing that made me think Gaius might be more relevant is because of that one commander person that had very little presence in the game. I would be interested to hear more about what people got from that quest.

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    Yeah, I think the graphical system of the PsP only allowed to show so much in the Sky games, so when we get something on the PS3 things can look much bigger and give a better idea of scale in the sense of power. It also seems to go by the trope of overtime the scale of destruction a single person is capable of increases. It also just comes down to how little of the world we knew at the time, where we only knew those Oroboros members and Cassius, so there wasn't as much to compare. That said I'm interested to see the 7th Anguis, which I believe she is in the other two games that hasn't had an English release so here's hoping those get announced in the near future.

    What were your thoughts on the palace and boss at the palace? For me it really brought everything together well and showed that while Class 7 has come a long way they are still far away from taking on the stronger powers of the world. The final boss using the two knights was really well done, and while easy like all the other fights before it was just so epic to see the two teaming up. I was already getting sad at the end because I knew Crow was going to bite the dust, and while I knew he was going to reappear I was a bit surprised in how Osborne made his reappearance. Then cut and a cool section with those two characters from Ao and Zero which was fun and really makes me want to play those two games even more.

    Also, how would you rate this among the other ones you played? I still stand by being my second favorite because it does a lot of things better than CS I and Sky SC, but I still feel Sky FC was extremely well done and despite not having the epic battles that some of the others did the narrative and set up was almost flawless.

  4. #84

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Franky Tank View Post
    I did that quest but never really got any indication that it actually related to Gaius. The only thing that made me think Gaius might be more relevant is because of that one commander person that had very little presence in the game. I would be interested to hear more about what people got from that quest.

    Spoiler:
    Yeah, I think the graphical system of the PsP only allowed to show so much in the Sky games, so when we get something on the PS3 things can look much bigger and give a better idea of scale in the sense of power. It also seems to go by the trope of overtime the scale of destruction a single person is capable of increases. It also just comes down to how little of the world we knew at the time, where we only knew those Oroboros members and Cassius, so there wasn't as much to compare. That said I'm interested to see the 7th Anguis, which I believe she is in the other two games that hasn't had an English release so here's hoping those get announced in the near future.

    What were your thoughts on the palace and boss at the palace? For me it really brought everything together well and showed that while Class 7 has come a long way they are still far away from taking on the stronger powers of the world. The final boss using the two knights was really well done, and while easy like all the other fights before it was just so epic to see the two teaming up. I was already getting sad at the end because I knew Crow was going to bite the dust, and while I knew he was going to reappear I was a bit surprised in how Osborne made his reappearance. Then cut and a cool section with those two characters from Ao and Zero which was fun and really makes me want to play those two games even more.

    Also, how would you rate this among the other ones you played? I still stand by being my second favorite because it does a lot of things better than CS I and Sky SC, but I still feel Sky FC was extremely well done and despite not having the epic battles that some of the others did the narrative and set up was almost flawless.
    Spoiler:
    Oh I loved the whole infernal palace. In a way it was very similar down to the structure to the septerrion ending of SC(floor + side boss relating to a party member). I'm not a mech person but I enjoyed how goddamn anime that Ordine and Valimar teamup was at the end.
    It was great. And yes I think I already mentioned it that while the "not my full power" device was a bit overused I liked the feeling that class 7 wasn't the hottest shit. CS III(which seems to be intended to close out the Erebonia arc) though needs to bring it full circle. The game seemingly has a time skip between CSII and itself so I don't want them to fall back on that story device again.

    Also yes they kind of made it very obvious that Osborne is going to live, Claire mentioned pretty early in the game that his corpse vanished.
    There are theories going around that Rean main motive right at the end to serve out Osbornes plans in Crossbell is to get behind the secret of his resurrection so he can maybe use that for Crow. As for the confirmation that Osborne was indeed resurrected and didn't avoid death, people cite that Kevin killing Weissmann with a fragment of the salt pillar specifically so it becomes impossible to resurrect him.


    I'm not quite sure yet on where to rank it. I liked it a lot, but in the end the feeling I went away with is that this was kind of another setup game. In the sense that it didn't really drive certain character arcs forward enough, but that could be unfair given that CSIII could change my feelings a lot on CS II.
    Also the more time passes and games I play the more I learn to appreciate the excellence that was the Sky saga. I will say that I think CS II probably ranks super high among the JRPGs I played in the last 5 years, like top 4-5(ahead of things like Bravely Default for me).

    On Gaius
    Spoiler:
    So the theory revolves around the fact that Gaius didn't really have a strong story line yet and the basis is the information you get when you close out the wandering Priest quest while having Sara and Gaius in your party.
    Sara will comment on the wandering Priest most likely being a person nicknamed the "roaring Lion". Which is one of the Gralsritter and a Dominion.
    (Just in case reminder: Dominions are a special rank within the church "blessed" with the power of a stigma.)
    Gaius will comment that the wandering priest used to teach him a lot during his childhood of the world beyond the Nordlands and was a major drive behind his enrollment in Thors.

    The theory basically revolves around Gaius having the aptitude to develop a stigma which people predict will be a story line in CSIII.
    This is based on the fact that the "roaring lion" took interest in Gaius because he could sense a stigma within him(-> the same way Kevin notices the artificial one in Joshua, it seems to be a power of the Dominions).
    + Gaius being one of the characters that routinely comments on places where the higher planes are active without being a witch/magically blessed, basically hinting that he is special in a way.

    On why people think this is a story, it relates to the stigma only building when it's host experiences tragedy. People are predicting that the war with Calvard will lead to Calvard making their move through the Nordlands during which Gaius will most likely experience some kind of loss triggering his stigma with his arc revolving around dealing with that + the church politics that will most likely want to recruit him as a dominion.
    Even if it's a 100% wrong I thought it was a pretty entertaining theory.
    On the story bit we get only in NG+ in CSII.
    Spoiler:
    All I know is that it relates to being able to gather Black Records in a NG+ run. It ends with a major reveal around the church. That's all I was told.
    Last edited by DarthAsthma; December 7th, 2016 at 09:34 AM.

  5. #85

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    I'll have to remember to play that side quest again with those as party members. I just need to replay all the games again because just how rich the lore is. Not usually big on those things but this series is exceptional and I want to learn all the details. That's why it kills me that the other games are taking so long to come out.

  6. #86

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    Oh no now I feel bad for spoiling. Also yeah fingers crossed for Zero and Ao to come out after 3rd.
    On a different note CSIII news might come on the 20th on which an investors call for Falcom will happen.
    Probably not going to be anything too exciting but we might get some new key visuals.

    Have you seen the CSIII pictures of Rean and Alisa floating around the net?
    In case you haven't:
    Spoiler:

    This is from the Tokyo Xanadu game it appeared as an easter egg as a poster in that game.
    The other one is this http://gematsu.com/2016/11/falcom-ad...alisa-reinford

  7. #87

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    Those spoilers are minor so no problems there. Never saw the Rean one so cool seeing that one. I know it's supposed to come out in Japan next year, so who knows how long for us. All I know is the hype for it is unbelievable for me.

  8. #88

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    I feel you . Damn I really need to replay the Sky games as well. I'm kind of tempted to get a code in the next steam sale for a giveaway and have a community Let's play (which will probably cap out at 3 people max xD) for that extra motivation.
    But the sky games are fucking long. I wonder how much time I can save by trivializing the gameplay aspect of it.

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    I just read the first page of this thread and it cracked me up

    5 posts in 2012 before the thread died off

    the 2015 revival
    Quote Originally Posted by DarthAsthma View Post
    Boooyaaaaah f*** u Zestiria TitS:SC is coming next week on the 29th.
    It's been three damn years!!!!
    I don't even know what I had against Zestiria.
    Also oh boy how my opinions have changed.
    Quote Originally Posted by DarthAsthma View Post
    Expect a somewhat traditional RPG with a slow start also maybe don't expect anything mind blowing story wise.
    Trails probably doesn't amaze/surprise RPG veterans a whole lot, but the game is generally just so solid all around.

    I've had a hard time recommending this with success since the game really doesn't have that one great selling point.
    It really is that it's just good in the best way possible(well at least to me).

    And yeah first game actually ends with a somewhat painful cliffhanger, the wait was pretty painful because at that point I was pretty invested in the characters and world. I considered actually switching to the Japanese version during the wait but I really liked the English translation and didn't want to change mid story also it would have been a real slog at that point since I wasn't that great at reading back then.

    Hope this is successful enough to give them reason to bring the "Ao no Kiseki" story over as well. Just from playing the first game it really seems like a really cool series.

    I'll start on SC as soon as I'm done with DQ8 despite having bravely second and legend of legacy waiting. Just to give an idea about how much I liked the first one.
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  9. #89

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    What's a community lets play like?

    Would be great to have more people playing this game so we can have more discussions about the games. Just you and me talking about it can be fun but that means talk after we beat the game then this stays dead for who knows how long. Originally I might've agreed with the original opinion of solid all around with nothing amazing going for it, but 4 games played there is a lot going in terms of story, world building, and characters.

  10. #90

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Franky Tank View Post
    What's a community lets play like?

    Would be great to have more people playing this game so we can have more discussions about the games. Just you and me talking about it can be fun but that means talk after we beat the game then this stays dead for who knows how long. Originally I might've agreed with the original opinion of solid all around with nothing amazing going for it, but 4 games played there is a lot going in terms of story, world building, and characters.
    Basically my pitch would be everyone interested to start a Sky FC playthrough/replay run at the same time. Optimally I might do that during the next steamsale when Sky fc is going to be around 5 bucks. As incentive if money isn't tight I might throw in a Sky SC code in so people that stick with it/fall in love with the series have a chance getting the follow up for free :-x but don't quote me on that I have the average student budget.

    As for that quote I mean in a sense I don't think I am/was wrong but on the other hand when I look at the past few years of JRPGs it's just crystal clear that Trails is one of the special series. Like things like Bravely Default/Second, Fire Emblem, SMT, etc I enjoyed, will probably enjoy when follow ups release. But they did not have the same sticking power like trails in the sky. Like you can really obsess about the trails games almost in a dark souls lore hunter way, it's just quite a bit less ambiguous most of the time(which works well for it the series, it's not a dig against DS because I love that style as well).

    One of the things I want to check up on in a replay is the Carnelia books after CSII dropped that Toval connection. Like whaaaat? I didn't even remember those to make that connection to begin with.

    And as you've said originally, that's kind of the thing when you only play FC you have to take everything at face value and many things don't seem like they have special meaning. Then you go 7 games down the line 10 years removed from FC and just see all these things that connect, all the seeds that have been in there from the very first title. It's just amazing in a way.

    Also yes the more people get into it the better. It feels good when people tell you "you were right all along :-x" after me trying to get them into it for years.
    Last edited by DarthAsthma; December 7th, 2016 at 07:21 PM.

  11. #91

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    I'm realyl loving Cold Steel 1. Although it's taking forever I don't know if i'll finish it for christmas (just started on the 5th assignment) it's one of those games that is incredibly fun to pick up and play. Although it does seem to drag a little bit for the normal gamer I think.
    Oh hey, I do videos on figures and manga and stuff: https://www.youtube.com/thatmanhismerch

  12. #92

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyber-Robin View Post
    I'm realyl loving Cold Steel 1. Although it's taking forever I don't know if i'll finish it for christmas (just started on the 5th assignment) it's one of those games that is incredibly fun to pick up and play. Although it does seem to drag a little bit for the normal gamer I think.
    It's a long ass game. I think you're about 70% through? Not sure. That said 5th assignment was Legram I think? That was my favorite in the first game.
    As for dragging yeah I think that's just the structure and the somewhat fluffy nature/vibe that the first game has. It's really a game about introducing you to Erebonia and what that country is about, politically, culturally, etc. Given that it's a long ass game and serves mainly as a general introduction I think that's where that dragging feeling comes from.

    Curious what your reactions to the ending will be.
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    Been reading through the discussion on gaf on the game. People making fun of "Headpat Rean" is cracking me up.
    Last edited by DarthAsthma; December 8th, 2016 at 02:20 PM.

  13. #93

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    Yeah, 5th assignment was Legram.

    As for the dragging, that's the reason why I usually will say Sky is a good starting point. It does the same of introducing the country and everything about it, but it's a much smaller game where you only have to put in about half the time compared to Cold Steel I so it isn't as daunting to go through. Either way though, once you play one game you get sucked in and it's a great adventure from there.

  14. #94

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    Wasn't ready to replay yet but was curious about one NG+ thing people hinted at me. Here's the video summarizing all of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWDB_JPYNOg

    I have to say it's pretty fucking dumb that this is a NG+ thing but the last dungeon in CSII is mandatory. x_X
    Kind of backwards considering story impact/value.

    Spoiler:

    I applaud the red herring around Thomas. Him being the hooded man and it being played for a joke totally made me not even spend a second thought on him afterwards.

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    Oh My God that stuff was amazing and so much to take in. It makes me even more hyped for CSIII, and Sky TC. Yeah, can't believe they left something like that for NG+ with how much relevance that has to the overall plot of the games.

    Spoiler:
    I knew there was something about that Instructor when Makarov made a comment about him to not hold back in the capitol, though what he turned out to be was even more insane.


    As much as I would like to dissect all this I have to leave for work so perhaps another time I can do a rundown of the stuff that really hit me, after I watch that about 5 more times.

  16. #96

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    Looking forward to it. Reading indepth lore nerd trails post right now is my jazz. So interesting what different people pick up and what connections they make. It just takes time to find those posts.

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    All right, going to just post my thoughts as they come going through the video again, so who knows how long this will be. (spoiler, I had a lot to say, though lacking information because not having access to three of the games probably creates either gaps of information that has been answered, or would make me ask even more questions).

    Spoiler:
    So first we have the origin story of two great titans battling it out that ended in mutual defeat (got some Xenoblade Chronicles vibe from that). With the game mentioning gnomes and the knowing the clan of witches exist, there is a whole part of history that we don't know about. The most interesting aspect of this part is how it mentioned the two shells of them being flung to the farthest reaches of the world, and that they left behind the great power. Something tells me that Ouroboro's plan is gathering all the great power together and resurrecting these beings.

    Now we get the history of the Testa Rossa and how what was once a Divine Knight became the calamity it was in the game. First thought is if the corruption spread from the Dragon to the Knight, then what happened to the corruption after Rean destroyed the Testa Rossa core? There was no indication that it transferred to Valimar or Rean, or if it did perhaps that will be something that is played in the third game. Would be interesting if Valimar slowly got corrupted and eventually turned on you.

    The other thing that stood out to me was the Dragon part. First of all there is the darkness the Dragon spread that turned people into the undead. This could be a reach but perhaps this is somehow connected to how Osborne was revived, and/or how Fie's old Jeager Corp hopes to revive their fallen leader. The bigger question is what role have the Dragons played in this world? This is the second Dragon we know of, with the first one being the Dragon from Trials in the Sky SC. Of course the dragon in that one seemed to have a pact with the Goddess and could not interfere with the worlds events. However the Dark Dragon was slowly taking over the continent and if not stopped could've destroyed the world, so was this dragon evil or was it corrupted at some point? At this point I would guess there is at least one Dragon associated with each country on the continent.

    Have to say, funny how the Emperor who died that started the great war was known to be debaucherous, and the one that really helped you in the game was Oliviert, aka the Debaucherous Prince. So at this time we hear about a knight that we haven't seen, which is the Palatine Knight. Perhaps this is the knight that was missing from one of the trial areas that was mentioned in the game. Also interesting how back in that day sheer numbers could compensate for the lack of a Divine Knight. For this game a knight made a great boon but it had to fight knights made by current technology, while back in the day they wouldn't have the ability to make their own massed produced knights. What could they have to actually fight back against them when they lacked much of what current technology would allow to narrow the gap against something like that. They would almost have to have people like McBurn, who have insane power by themselves that could rival the power of the Divine Knight.

    I do like the few Parallels of Dreichels and Oilviert. They both were Bastards who have no claim to the throne (don't know if Oliviert had a commoner for a mother). Then there is the idea of Dreichels wandering around away from Erebonia before coming back to throw his weight into the conflict. Oliviert went to Liberl and gained certain things from there so he could have power in the conflict. Then there is the second person who came to talk to Dreichels who was talking about series stuff. Not really a parallel but it made me think of Mueller and how he is always serious and friend to Oliviert. Nothing really to make a connection but just something random I thought of. I feel like the Kight Roland is supposed to be significant, but I'm drawing a blank on who he is and how important he was to the overall conflict.

    That's what it was, they had the golems on their side so that's how they made up for that. So while they lacked technology they somehow came across the ability to craft the golems, which I assume are made by Magic. If that is the case then perhaps there was a witch like Vita who was helping out a side in the War of the Lions. So the Lance Maidens name was Lianne Sandlot. Now I assume she shows up in Ao or Zero because it was hinted she was heading the stuff in Crossbell, so if her actual name was mentioned then it can confirm if the 7th Anguis is indeed the Lance Maiden or even just related to her somehow. After how Duvalie gushed about her all the time I really want to meet her. If she is the Lance Maiden, or even just related, it would be interesting to know why she joined Oroboros. My biggest guess would be she thinks the world Dreichels fought for went off the path, and thinks Oroboros's way is the only way to correct it.

    So after this conflict the Palatine Knight was destroyed and the Vermillion Knight became the Vermillion Apocalypse. Then the Ashen knight was awoken and was the one to seal the Vermillion Apocalypse. It even mentions how a "Kindly Witch" showed them to the Ashen knight, so we know that witches before have interfered in these conflicts for one reason or another. Also tightens my theory about a Witch giving the one side Golems. Now the question is were they different witches or did the same one help different sides for a purpose?

    And now we get to the meat and big reveal of Instructor Thomas. His facial expression and the snap of his finger before something strange happening really fit in with how the Professor Alba is Weissman reveal went. This really makes me question his objectives and how good of a person he is. The big thing is not just that he is part of the Gralsritter , but he is the right hand of the Dominion. The fact that someone that important has been living under the noses of all the students and faculty means whatever needs to be accomplished is huge. Then you have Rosine who is an apprentice knight, which I'm guessing is going to be the same for the girl that we see with Kevin on the cover of Sky TC.

    SO with this and knowing about Kevin there is a lot to the Church that we still don't know about, and that makes me excited about Sky TC. Since Kevin is the lead I see us learning a good bit more about the hidden part of the church. The Phantasma thing mentioned is also the big aspect of Sky TC, so there is a lot we should learn about in that game. The big thing though is just how powerful is the church and what is their true goal? Rosine talked about how they usually try to seal away hidden artifacts and stop some problems, but there has to be a lot more to it. If this game has taught me anything it's you can't look at any organization and say it's 100% good or bad, there is a lot of grey in everything (made more apparent by Rean saying they aren't enemies, but that doesn't make them allies). With the church having it's own small country along with the garbment that people wear this is definitely a parallel to the Roman Catholic Church, so it will be a big power in the upcoming conflicts. This is made even more apparent by Thomas talking about the crucial moment coming in the future after the silence has passed. Add in Oroboro's coming back and Osborne having so much power behind them, the Hype for CSIII is just building up more and more. In the end while I don't know what to expect from Thomas he doesn't have anything inherently evil in his actions, especially since he wants Rean to be more Weary of him and the world in general.

    So then Thomas mentions the Two Sept-Terrions that graced the hallowed land, but the Wiki says there are seven of them. My only guess is that he means the two gods which after they were defeated broke their powers into seven Sept-Terrions, one which was the floating city in Sky SC. Speaking of seven, there are seven divine knights, and at this time there are three unaccounted for, with the others being the Ashen, Azure, Palatine, and Vermillion Knight, which only the Ashen Knight seems to remain at this time. So where are the other three and does anybody else have control of them? I could see the church secretly keeping one and waiting for the time to strike. Another thing is Thomas mentioning the Roaring Lion, which I believe is the priest you tried to follow in that one side quest, who seems to be taking care of everything in the west. Very interested in learning about that character.


    Final thought, dear God this series is amazing and I need the other games now. Give me Sky TC, Zero, and Ao now Xseed (seriously though, good on you Xseed for bringing this so I can enjoy this amazing series). This is starting to become the GoT of JRPGs, as far as all the various plot points that start and end or just stay hanging for who knows how long.

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    I just came absorbing a huge dota patch so I'm still a bit dizzy from that information overflow so I don't have the capacity yet to absorb and add to everything you mentioned, still was fun to read so thanks for taking the time. I only have a few notes to add right now.

    Regarding the Septerrions *small update, regarding Erebonia*
    Spoiler:
    1. We're two games into Cold Steel and we haven't even really touched that shit, and there are two of them in Erebonia not just one. Pretty insane.
    But yes the divine knight definitely have something to do with it. All we know about Ourouboros is that their goal is practically related to awakening the Septerrion. Not necessarily gaining those powers given they seemed to be fine with the Aureole being destroyed.

    2. The Septerrion relate to the elements. The Aureole was Space.
    Septerrion element spoiler for Zero/Ao
    Spoiler:
    The one appearing in those games is supposedly Mirage

    3. Erebonia supposedly at least houses the Septerrion of fire.

    On the Dominion
    Spoiler:
    it's actually an organization not a person within the Gralsritter. Their trademarks is that each member has awakened their Stigma which gives them special power(Like Thomas creating that "Partition" to wall them off). Personally I think it might not be unrelated in theory to the power of Rean's Spiritual Awakening and McBurn.
    So Thomas is not the right hand of the dominion, but rather the right hand of Ein Selnert who is number 1 within that organization and is the person that has mastered her stigma the most so far, also one of the strongest people around it seems.
    Ein Selnert seems to actually be mentioned in the Carnerlia books series of the sky games along the character Toby who seems to be inspired by Toval. I have not reread that stuff yet so that's all I know from people directing me to stuff.


    On Ourouboros plan phases
    Spoiler:

    The overall plan seems to be called the "Orpheus Final Project" according to Weissman.
    Stage 1 was the Gospel plan sky
    Stage 2 is the Phantasmal Blaze plan in cold steel


    Here are also power rankings made by Gu4n who I believe is one of the super trails fans on gaf and is really deep into all that stuff.
    http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=218369669&postcount=2478

    Last edited by DarthAsthma; December 11th, 2016 at 02:19 PM.

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    Thanks for the information, especially on the Dominion. I think soon I will continue my replay of Sky and start trying to absorb more information. There is so much I don't remember from those games that it would be good to replay again and absorb stuff. At this point If Sky TC came out at the same time as Persona 5 I would actually play TC before P5.

  20. #100

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    Oh also to add all the known Dominion members after all the games that we got so far
    Spoiler:

    1. Ein Selnert
    2. Thomas Lysander(The Partitioner)
    3. Kevin Graham
    4. Barkhorn(Roaring Lion)
    Out of twelve Dominions.

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