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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone_Baroness View Post
    That's sorta weird. Why wouldn't you want to go by how Oda actually says a name is spelled?
    Because English isn't Oda's first language. Some things go screwy and create Engrish in translation that he doesn't realize.

    Same reason we don't call Franky "Furankī". Or Whitebeard "Shirohige". When hopping languages, intent matters more than what's actually there, sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobbyBevard View Post
    Because English isn't Oda's first language. Some things go screwy and create Engrish in translation that he doesn't realize.

    Same reason we don't call Franky "Furankī". Or Whitebeard "Shirohige". When hopping languages, intent matters more than what's actually there, sometimes.
    But Oda writes it "Franky" on the wanted posters... which is why we go by that, instead of the more common "Frankie".

    seems a little immature to follow that rule for everyone except Shilliew, because we got butthurt our fan translations weren't what Oda had in mind.

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    I dunno. I figure it's just kinda odd to ignore the way Oda has it specifically set up, regardless if he's fully aware how odd it looks. I tend to go with Oda's spelling if I can remember which is which lol. It was one reason I so hated when the whole "Zolo" arguments happened lol.

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    I like "Shiliew." Shiryuu is generic as hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Bad_Lith View Post
    But Oda writes it "Franky" on the wanted posters... which is why we go by that, instead of the more common "Frankie".

    seems a little immature to follow that rule for everyone except Shilliew, because we got butthurt our fan translations weren't what Oda had in mind.
    And it was being translated as "Franky" long before he had a wanted poster spelling it out in English. Because that was the intent, and what the katakana indicated, though a literal translation of the japanese would have been... different. (Side note, the "y" spelling is typically for boys, the "ie" spelling for girls. This in theory applies to most names, including Robby/Robbie and Sammy/Sammie, but isn't at all universal.)

    Translating is an imprecise thing. You pick and choose your battles sometimes. ESPECIALLY with proper names.
    "Shichibukai" and "Seven Warlords of the Sea" is another example. "Supernovas" and... whatever it is in japanese. "Nakama". "Haki" instead of "ambition." The translations go with what what sounds better in the language its being presented in... and sometimes they opt to keep the japanese name for flavor... or for context. (English translations really should go with "ambition" incidentally, leaving it as "Haki" makes it a magic word instead of a casual word with magic applied to it.)

    Oda doesn't have an English speaking fact checker editor helping him, he makes mistakes. He has examples of Engrish all the time, especially in his titles or subject notes in color spreads... doesn't make them right automatically just because he wrote it out. English is NOT his language, he isn't right about it all the time.

    Oda has no idea that Shilliew is nonsense in English. Because it works phonetically in Japanese and he assumed "Put these english letters to these sounds, and it spells the name properly in english." Except it doesn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone_Baroness View Post
    It was one reason I so hated when the whole "Zolo" arguments happened lol.
    Zoro was translated PROPERLY as Zoro originally. Then copyright and licensing bullshit with Zorro the masked man screwed it up. That's a different thing entirely.
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    Shillew sounds like a shilling.
    And now Shillew sounds like he has a Brit accent whenever I read his lines.

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    I just had to bring Shiliew and the Naruto/Bleach thread suddenly turns into a discussion about "correct" translations/romanisations in One Piece.

    We are truly bored, aren't we?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Daz View Post
    I'm thinking less Escaped, and more Pardoned.

    "Quinzies? Bankai Stealing?! Arrancar enlisting!?! Theres only one man that can help us deal with this, and that man is..."
    The fact that there is a chance of this happening, albeit very small, is very, very depressing. So, naturally, it'll probably happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.C. Amigo View Post
    The fact that there is a chance of this happening, albeit very small, is very, very depressing. So, naturally, it'll probably happen.
    Like I said, when it comes to Kubo, we have to expect the worst.

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    what is wrong with Shilliew? isn't that is how japanese pronounce Shiryu?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobbyBevard View Post
    Oda doesn't have an English speaking fact checker editor helping him, he makes mistakes. He has examples of Engrish all the time, especially in his titles or subject notes in color spreads... doesn't make them right automatically just because he wrote it out. English is NOT his language, he isn't right about it all the time.
    Then again, he never steeped to the levels of "Why me sad" like Kubo.

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    Okay, to stay on topic.

    What do you guys think of the poems that Kubo writes for volumes. Imo, some are good, but then sometimes they are repetitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace of Spades View Post
    Okay, to stay on topic.

    What do you guys think of the poems that Kubo writes for volumes. Imo, some are good, but then sometimes they are repetitive.
    Poems? What poems?

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    Poems? What poems?
    He writes some poems for volume releases.

    01: The death and the strawberry
    (Ichigo cover)

    We fear
    what doesn't exist.

    02: Goodbye parakeet, Good night my sista
    (Rukia cover)


    People can possess hope
    because our eyes are unable to see death.

    03: Memories in the Rain

    (Orihime Cover)


    If I were the rain
    could I connect with someone's heart
    just as it can unite
    the eternally separated earth and sky?

    04: Quincy Archer Hates you

    (Ishida Cover)


    We attract each other
    like a drop of water, like planets.
    We repel each other
    like magnets, like the colors of our skin.

    05: Right arm of the giant

    (Chad Cover)


    If I don't wield the sword,
    I can't protect you.

    If I keep wielding the sword,
    I can't embrace you.

    06: The death trilogy overture
    (Urahara Cover)


    True, we don't have anything such as "fate."
    It's only those who drink in ignorance and fear
    and stumble over their own feet

    07: The broken Coda

    (Byakuya Cover)


    We should not shed tears
    for that will serve as a defeat of our bodies to our hearts.
    It is then nothing more than proof
    for it to be said that our hearts are things
    beyond our ability to control.

    08: The Blade and me

    (Zangetsu Cover)


    When rusted, I can't cut again.
    When you lose your grip, I will be torn apart.
    Yes, it's with that pride that
    has me resemble a blade.

    09: Fourteen days for conspiracy
    (Kuukaku cover)


    Ah, even though our eyes are opened
    we are dreaming of
    flying through the sky.

    10: Tattoo on the sky

    (Ganju Cover)


    We reach out our hand
    to brush away the clouds and pierce the sky,
    but even if we seize the moon and Mars
    we still can't reach the truth.

    11: A Star and a Stray Dog
    (Renji cover)


    I will light a fire on an unreachable fang,
    so that I won't have to see that star,
    so that I won't let it tear at my throat.

    12: Flower on the precipice

    (Aizen Cover)


    We think the flower on the precipice is beautiful
    because our fear make our feet stop at its edge
    instead of stepping forward into the sky
    like that flower.

    13: The Undead
    (Kenpachi Cover)


    Any one time we throw away pride
    we take a step closer to becoming beasts.
    Any one time we kill a heart
    we take a step back from becoming beasts.

    14: White Tower Rocks
    (Hanatarou cover)


    It creaks, it creaks; the tower of cleansed sins,
    like the light, it will pass through this world.
    It shakes, it shakes; the tower in our spine,
    the one that will fall will be... us? Or the sky?

    15: Beginning of the death of tomorrow
    (Kira cover)

    I am merely practicing
    saying goodbye to you
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    16: Night Of Wijnruit
    (Whitey Cover)


    The constant shower of the sun's mane
    will erase the remaining footprints on the thin ice.
    Don't be afraid to be deceived
    for the world is already full of deception.

    17: Rosa Rubicundior, Lilio Candidior
    (Yoruichi Cover)


    Red like blood
    White like bone
    Red like solitude
    White like silence
    Red like the beastly instinct
    White like a god's heart
    Red like thawing hatred
    White like a frozen, pained cry
    Red like the night's hungry shadows
    Like a sigh piercing the moon
    it shines white and shatters red

    18: The DeathBerry Returns

    (Soi Fong Cover)


    Your shadow stealthily
    leaves nothing of where you go, like a poisoned needle
    that sews together my footsteps.
    Your light pliantly
    strikes the water tower, like a lightning bolt
    that severs the source of my life.

    19: The Black Moon Rising

    (Bankai Ichigo Cover)


    That's right,
    nothing else can change my world.

    20: End of hypnosis
    (Gin cover)


    One who paints the beauty in love
    is one who pretends to not know love's form.
    One who paints the ugliness in love
    is one who understood it well.

    Be my family or not
    (Shinji Cover)


    This entire world
    exists for the sake of cornering you.

    22: CONQUISTADORES
    (Ulquiorra cover)


    There is no meaning in our world,
    neither is there any meaning in us, the ones who live in it.
    It is then meaningless
    for us, who are equally meaningless, to conceive the world in our thoughts
    despite knowing there is no meaning to be found.

    23: MALA SUERTE!
    (Ikkaku Cover)


    We are the fish before the waterfall
    We are the insects inside the cage
    We are the wreckage of the angry sea
    The skull upon the staff
    The torrent of power, all of which the whale swallows
    We are the bull with five horns
    We are the monster that breathes fire
    The child who screams
    Ah, we are
    being poisoned by the moonlight

    24: Immanent God Blues
    (Grimmjow Cover)


    Doesn't matter who it is
    I'll ****in' break 'em

    25: No Shaking throne
    (Hollow Ichigo Cover)


    We all
    die as we are born.
    We always find the end
    before the beginning.
    If to live
    means to continually search for wisdom,
    we'll find the end waiting after our last lesson.
    To finally see the subtlety of the end
    and understand it completely
    is what it means to die.
    We cannot help ourselves from growing wiser.
    Those who are helpless to their search for knowledge
    are those who cannot transcend death.

    26: The mascaron drive
    (Luppi Cover)


    That voice that pierces my chest so deeply
    resembles a never-ending cry of ecstacy.

    27: Goodbye Halcyon Days.
    (2nd Orihime cover)


    We
    As one:
    are not intertwined
    As two:
    do not share the same form
    Of the third:
    we simply don't have eyes
    Of the fourth:
    we have no hope in that direction
    At the fifth
    therein lies the heart

    28: Baron's lecture full-course
    (Dordonii Cover)


    Sire, we
    look upon you
    as one would a peacock
    A look that borders on
    anticipation, adoration, and something
    akin to neverending terror

    29: The slashing opera

    (Thunderwitch Cover)


    In my desperation, I'll dress myself up grandly
    Even while knowing you'll cut me down
    In my desperation, I'll polish myself to a shine
    Even while knowing you'll cut me down
    It was terrible, how it was terrible
    When you once did just that
    You lopped off my hair
    And left me looking like you did when you died

    30: There is no heart without you
    (Kaien Cover)


    That wound is as deep as the ocean
    That bloody murder is as colorless as death

    31: Don't kill my volupture
    (Szayel Cover)


    Tell me I'm hated most in the world.

    32: The Howling
    (Grimmy release Cover)


    The king gallops

    Shaking free from the shadow,
    Beating the armor,
    Kicking about the bones,
    Slurping the flesh and blood,
    The creaking increases.
    Smashing the heart

    He walks in alone
    Toward the faraway other side

    33: The bad Joke
    (Nnoitra Cover)


    We are insects...

    Worms crawling underneath nonvolatile spite

    I lift my head up, higher even than the moon…

    …until I can’t see you merciful bastards anymore.

    34: King of the kill

    (Nel Cover)


    If you give me wings
    I will soar for you

    Even if this whole land
    Sinks down to the water

    If you give me a sword
    I will fight for you

    Even if this whole sky
    Shoots through with your light


    35: Higher than the moon

    (Mayuri cover)


    If you even fail to be born, it's only natural to die.


    36: Turn Back the pendulum

    (Long haired Shinji Cover)

    "It's still too early to believe."

    Edit:- and here is the rest of them.

    37. BEAUTY IS SO SOLITARY
    character. ayasegawa yumichika
    People cannot be thought to define beauty
    however flowers can be thought to define beauty
    A person's form resembles a flower
    only at the time of defeat, when it is torn to pieces.

    38. FEAR FOR FIGHT
    character. hisagi shuuhei
    The only true fear
    is to become a warrior that does not know fear

    39. EL VERDUGO
    character. ayon
    To err is human.
    To kill is the devil.

    40. THE LUST
    character. ulquiorra cifer
    I envy because of the heart
    I glutton because of the heart
    I covet because of the heart
    I am prideful because of the heart
    I sloth because of the heart
    I rage because of the heart
    Because of the heart
    I lust for everything about you.

    41. HEART
    character. yammy llargo
    To plunder
    that which has been lost,
    to blood and flesh and bone
    and something else

    42. SHOCK OF THE QUEEN
    character. tia harribel
    There is no world without sacrifice.
    Are you unaware?
    We are
    in a sea of blood, ashes floating in hell
    crying the name
    a fading world.

    43. KINGDOM OF HOLLOWS
    character. barragan luisenbarn
    To decay is our companion.
    As night is our servant,
    as the crow pecks at this body,
    I await you at the castle of elm trees.

    44. VICE IT
    character. tousen kaname
    Man has, above all else, evil.
    That I would, for the sake of having this illusion of justice
    beyond everything that is I, more than the evil that I have, hallucinate, that there is nothing else
    the justice that I believed in has its own evil.
    Justice, for the sake of obtaining justice is
    constantly, endlessly doubting my own justice.

    45. THE BURNOUT INFERNO
    character. yamamoto genryuusai shigekuni
    You may live bowing on your knees,
    but die standing on your feet.

    46. BACK FROM BLIND
    character. matsumoto rangiku
    To know sorrow
    is not terrifying.
    What is terrifying
    is to know you can't go back
    to happiness you could have.

    47. END OF THE CHRYSALIS AGE
    character. ichimaru gin
    You are becoming a snake tomorrow,
    and as you start to devour people
    with that mouth that has devoured others
    you cry your love to me
    and the same as today, I do wonder
    will I be able to say my love to you?

    48. GOD IS DEAD
    character. aizen sousuke
    All people, imitations of apes.
    All gods, imitations of people.

    49. The Lost Agent
    character. kurosaki ichigo
    I wonder, can I keep up with it?
    The speed of the world without you in it.

    50. The Six Fullbringers
    character. ginjou kuugo
    Time usually encroaches from behind
    Raising a howl as it flows and ebbs away

    Give up
    As time seems to wash away your exquisite past
    And tears away your fangs

    Do not look forward
    Your hope encroaches from behind
    There is nothing but darkness in the muddy stream.

    51. Love me Bitterly Loth me Sweetly
    character. dokugamine riruka
    Don't put a finger in my heart.

    52. End of Bond.
    character. Shukuro Tsukishma
    Will you count with me
    My teeth marks
    On you

    53.
    character. Yukio Hans Vorarlberna
    The fact that I am so young
    So immature
    Seems unforgivable to
    The decrepit
    Perfect and faultless adults

    SOULs. the rain drags black sun down
    character. kurosaki ichigo
    The sun that locks Heaven.

    VIBEs. but the rain dried by white moon.
    character. kuchiki rukia
    The moon that eclipses the night.

    The Hell Verse
    character. kurosaki ichigo
    That heart is the one that falls to hell.
    Beneath that heart, the place where hell is.


    These are some I found. I admit I don't know much about rating poems, which is why I asked to discuss it here. In other bleach forums, all they do is praise it to no end, without really explaining it.
    Last edited by Ace of Spades; April 27th, 2012 at 10:04 AM.

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    Ah...Just reminded me why I dislike most poetry. I hope some of these were lost in translations, they sound like someone who's convinced themselves that they are deep and thoughtful. That anything that falls out of their mouths is gold.

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    Where's 37 - 55's poems?
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    To get back on topic, I don't like "Moriah", so I'll stick to "Moria".

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    Naruto spoiler, credit to Mangahelpers.

    Spoiler:
    話は
    カブトとおろち丸の話。
    Orochimaru and Kabuto are talking.
    マザーがカブトを狙っていたのは、カブトはあれこれ知りすぎていたから
    ダンゾウに命を狙われた
    Danzou is the one who targeted Kabuto's life, because of knowing too much about everything. (basically he was just overqualified)
    マザーが、なぜカブトとわからなかったかと言うと。
    マザーは、カブトの成長写真を根からもらっていたんだけど
    そのカブトは、全然顔が違っていて
    生カブトを見てもカブトと認識できなかった。
    Then Kabuto is told, why Mother didn't recognize him, and that was because she was given a target picture(from Root) in which Kabuto looked more mature so the faces differed. So that's why she didn't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hisoga View Post
    Naruto spoiler, credit to Mangahelpers.

    Spoiler:
    話は
    カブトとおろち丸の話。
    Orochimaru and Kabuto are talking.
    マザーがカブトを狙っていたのは、カブトはあれこれ知りすぎていたから
    ダンゾウに命を狙われた
    Danzou is the one who targeted Kabuto's life, because of knowing too much about everything. (basically he was just overqualified)
    マザーが、なぜカブトとわからなかったかと言うと。
    マザーは、カブトの成長写真を根からもらっていたんだけど
    そのカブトは、全然顔が違っていて
    生カブトを見てもカブトと認識できなかった。
    Then Kabuto is told, why Mother didn't recognize him, and that was because she was given a target picture(from Root) in which Kabuto looked more mature so the faces differed. So that's why she didn't know.

    Spoiler:
    I tend to like naruto, but that reasoning is just bad.

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