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    Quote Originally Posted by King Cannon View Post
    Anyone has a list of every Naruto retcon there is?

    I've been re-reading Part I and surprisingly enjoying how tactical and consistent the writing is that I became curious to see just how deep the rabbit hole actually becomes later. I want to make a list just because I'm bored. Help me out if I forget something.

    Major retcons:

    - Naruto the child of prophecy is the most glaring one since it completely goes against the manga's theme. Anything regarding the Sage of Six Paths likely counts.
    - The Tailed Beasts. The Shukaku is stated to be just the soul of a dead monk sealed in a teacup (which is sorta silly).
    - It was highly implied that Kurama would die if Naruto did, which is why he always lent his chakra for Naruto when he was in danger. Later, it's revealed that Tailed Beasts are just revived after a host dies.
    - Kurama being good all along. He's very clearly written to be an actual demon.
    - Hashirama being the "God of Shinobi" when that title was used for Sarutobi, who was more worried at fighting Minato than either of the Senju bros vs. Orochimaru.
    - Everything regarding Itachi. I did notice a few hints from the Sasuke flashbacks that Itachi was being a secretive about something regarding the massacre, but him being a hero was definitely not intended.
    - The Sharingan being related to the Byakugan, although this one could be chalked up to Kakashi gossip.
    - Danzo. And everything related to Root since they're just a secret secret force.
    - The Uzumaki. Naruto's treatment from the villagers in general.
    - Gaara's whole backstory, including his uncle's nonsense fake confession.

    Minor retcons:

    - Naruto is said to have failed his academy graduation three times, so he should've been held back, yet we see him growing up with the rest of the Konoha 9.
    - Speaking of which, shadow cloning is necessary to pass the graduation, yet Lee, who can't use Ninjutsu, manages it.
    - Even worse later, a random chunin states that shadow cloning is a Jonin-level technique, even though it's literally a homework requirement.
    - Gaara wearing earrings in his debut despite being unable to harm himself.
    - The Hyuga being the oldest clan of Konoha, which makes no sense considering the Uchiha and Senju founded the place.
    - Naruto liking Sakura because of Sasuke, and not because he actually liked her.
    - Kakashi states Kabuto learned to fight from his adoptive dad, the chief of the medical corps, even though Kabuto was orphan and raised by a housemother that was part of Root.
    - Hayate and Anko taking the Chuunin exam with Kakashi despite Kakashi being 6 at the time and Hayate/Anko being even younger.

    Ignored subplots:

    - Inner Sakura being an actual entity since it plays a role against Ino's mind transfer.
    - Hayate's girlfriend becoming an avenger.
    - The Seven Swordsmen of the Mist, which were implied to still be alive during the series' run.
    - Kabuto attempting to kill Sasuke in the hospital is never explained. In fact, Orochimaru and Kabuto sorta have a tense relationship in the beginning, which is strange since Kabuto is completely loyal to Orochimaru after the Chunin exams.

    And this is only the stuff regarding Part I elements (Part II introduces a ton of subplots that get retconned anyway).

    I also noticed that even during Part I, the Sharingan goes through inumerous powerups from nowhere. It's introduced as only being able to copy jutsu, but then later exhibits all sorts of other abilities from nowhere including Byakugan-like stuff like perceiving things that the naked eye shouldn't.
    I feel like Orochimaru fits somewhere among the retcons. Or rather everything he did was handwaved.
    Add to that the massively ignored subplots of Anko.

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    Orochimaru being alive and has pretty much achieved his goals was really stupid.
    Dude experimented on kids, killed the 3rd hokage, almost murdered children(or did he) and was part of a terrorist organisation.
    But science and grey morality hurr durr amiright

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    He was the coolest guy. And a responsible parent that goes to PTA meetings.

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    When he "died" by Itachi wasn't his soul purified or something? Even if he came back from one of the cursed seals he created.
    Add Sasuke to the list of pardoned terrorists.
    Also add the failing to keep the premise that every generation surpassing the previous when every previous ninja we meet was stronger than everyone else - bar Ninja Jesus and his Judas - by miles. Tobirama invented every overpowered justsu ever, Harashima capture tail beasts like pokemon, Madara...just everything...



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    The country of fire criminal record last until you die, no mater how heinous your crimes or if you revive yourself using the knowledge that you attained while comiting said crimes.

    Sasuke got free by saying “that man is dead” in court. And presenting his crushed arm as evidence, no one challenged him on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone_Baroness View Post
    He was the coolest guy.
    I thought Obito was the coolest guy. Even Naruto said it so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeltrax225 View Post
    Orochimaru being alive and has pretty much achieved his goals was really stupid.
    Dude experimented on kids, killed the 3rd hokage, almost murdered children(or did he) and was part of a terrorist organisation.
    But science and grey morality hurr durr amiright
    3rd Hokage killed himself though.

    As for him experimenting on and killing kids it's practically a drop in the bucket compared to what the Ninja Nations had been doing for years before. Such as forcing the Bijuu into containers not all of whom were willing subjects. Along with turning kids under the age of 10 into killing machines (of which Orochimaru is one of the many people that same training turned out).

    Plus there's the fact the son of a bitch won't die.


    Quote Originally Posted by King Cannon View Post
    - Gaara wearing earrings in his debut despite being unable to harm himself.
    This presumes he pierced his own ears.
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    I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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    Kage bunshin no jutsu's ability to experience everything the clones did was a retcon. Naruto just went "I never noticed" when it was suggested as a possibility to aid in training.
    The elemental chakra types were probably not an early concept (and then it was dropped almost entirely).
    Kakashi's nickname being "Sharingan Kakashi" instead of "Copy Ninja".
    Every new power of the sharingan was a retcon.
    Also the moon rabbit lady existing at all.

    I just remembered there was some plot about the Mizukage being controlled by Akatsuki/Orochimaru/someone early in the war or maybe slightly before, what was that about?
    Wash your hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El-Matematico View Post
    I just remembered there was some plot about the Mizukage being controlled by Akatsuki/Orochimaru/someone early in the war or maybe slightly before, what was that about?
    The Fourth Mizukage (the one with the three-tail beast) was apparently genjutsu'd by Madara at some point and became a tyrant, which led to the whole Bloody Mist era that created people like Zabuza.

    It wasn't really abandoned so much as unexplored, like most of the story taking place in the other countries sans Village of the Hidden Sand.

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    And then the problems of the world wasn’t caused by outdated traditions and systemic abuses but one creepy old man who hypnotises people for fun and destruction.

    By the way, what was madara’s endgame? I forgot on the surprise evil sleeve and space bunny lady, she is the one who wanted chakra insteumentalization. While we are at it, what did Tobi want? I got lost on the individual akatsuki interpretations of their master plan of catching them all to become the best ninja mercenaries, and then to create the ninja atomic bomb.
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    The Samurais that were briefly introduced then never really used bothered me too.

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    I feel like the samurai were introduced to make more fodder and to have some swordfights in the background, since almost none of the ninjas use swords.
    Wash your hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El-Matematico View Post
    I feel like the samurai were introduced to make more fodder and to have some swordfights in the background, since almost none of the ninjas use swords.
    Poor Tenten. She really never got a chance to shine with her weapon skills. Despite Madara dropping his epic weapons lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone_Baroness View Post
    Poor Tenten. She really never got a chance to shine with her weapon skills. Despite Madara dropping his epic weapons lol.
    Ah Tenten, that name always makes me remember Batsu Game

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxterdexter View Post

    By the way, what was madara’s endgame? I forgot on the surprise evil sleeve and space bunny lady, she is the one who wanted chakra insteumentalization. While we are at it, what did Tobi want? I got lost on the individual akatsuki interpretations of their master plan of catching them all to become the best ninja mercenaries, and then to create the ninja atomic bomb.
    Basically they wanted to genocide the entire world so they can live in a ninja magic VR world

    Aaand that technology is probably readily available in Boruto's world, just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxterdexter View Post
    And then the problems of the world wasn’t caused by outdated traditions and systemic abuses but one creepy old man who hypnotises people for fun and destruction.

    By the way, what was madara’s endgame? I forgot on the surprise evil sleeve and space bunny lady, she is the one who wanted chakra insteumentalization. While we are at it, what did Tobi want? I got lost on the individual akatsuki interpretations of their master plan of catching them all to become the best ninja mercenaries, and then to create the ninja atomic bomb.
    Having re-read the war for unfathomable reasons, it seems they both hated the shinobi system of backstabing politics, child soldiers, clan warring and such, and rejected that reality by having everybody live in their own little private world. At the very least, this sounded consistent with your first paragraph. I assume Madara was just sowing discord as a fuck you to Hashirama's politics, as the latter was the inventor of the Kage system that more or less kept the status quo but in a international scale instead of just local families fighting each other.

    It's still unexplored because we barely see the actual politicians doing corrupt politics. You had something like that going in the Land of Waves, where the resident capitalist billionaire used ninjas for evil, and the Chunin exams, where the whole Sand invasion was fueled by resentment due to the Land of Wind nobility outsourcing ninja work to Konoha insted of their own. Even the Akatsuki had something this as goal, where they apparently worked in the interests of the smaller countries so they could stand up to the big guys, but the whole thing just spirals into moon aliens as being the bad guys all along.

    Esssentially, the whole thing could have turned out thematically not as bad if either Obito or Madara were the de facto final bosses, but no, it's all alien conspiracies.
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    Write a complex system of war and conflict generate by greed, corruption, a War states doctrine starting creating soldiers from infants and the repercussions said system and actions cause to the characters and the world, or just hand wave it to bunny aliens from the moon wanting to harvest the life force of the planet?

    Bunny Goddess it is.



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    I've been rereading large sections of Part II, and yeah: it's remarkable how much more compelling and affecting even the largely awful War arc of the story could've been if the manga had been committed to it.
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    Hell, remove the Bunny Goddess and the story improves already.



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    Quote Originally Posted by pariston_hill View Post
    Hell, remove the Bunny Goddess and the story improves already.
    I mean you’d still have Pain killing half the village and then resurrecting them, Danzo being abruptly killed off after his duplicity was revealed, Itachi killing his clan for reasons eventually being revealed that he (along with Obito) killed his clan because Danzo fucked up his and Shunsui’s plan, the war dragging out for thousands of chapters, Taka/Hebi doing nothing meaningful, all the other Jinchuuriki’s being glossed over, Hinata doing nothing after revealing her feelings to Naruto, Obito and Madara getting the same power up chapters apart (which Naruto also gets), Madara being broken to the point even a powered up Naruto & Sasuke can’t stop him, Naruto being able to heal Guy but not save his leg, Yamato being held hostage by branches,

    The big ass time skip that the movie, anime, and novels have to fill in, etc.
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    I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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