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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaizou 10 View Post
    No, there is none. Heck, that case never happened before in Japan.
    Thought so :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brotato View Post
    The first chapter of Sesuji wo Pin! to was great! Hopefully it can survive and become a permanent addition to ESJ.

    Interestingly, since it seems that Lady Justice won't be included in this round of Jump Start, I suppose it means that it'll just be between Sesuji wo Pin! to and Devilyman for the spot on the ESJ roster?
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    I quite enjoyed the first chapter of Straighten Up! But I'm intrigued to see how the author will handle shorter chapters since the theme requires quite a few panels to depict the different steps of the dances.
    The first chapter alone had more character and fun than the entirety of Black Clover's run so far, IMO.

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    Really liking Straighten Up. Unless Devily Man is outstanding, I think it's staying in ESJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gillian Seed View Post
    Actually that is the chapter where you see than Togashi scribbles are more artistics than all those good generic drawers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kdom View Post
    Actually that is the chapter where you see than Togashi scribbles are more artistics than all those good generic drawers...
    Now I'm a massive HunterxHunter fanboy, but this is really pushing it. The unchanged scribbles in the volume release are not defendable.

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    WHo cares abotu HxH. I just want Beet the Vandel Buster to finish.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaizou 10 View Post
    I did look at his most recent artwork and I think he is delivering same thing as usual. Maybe because there are too much speech bubbles for current chapter.
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    anyway, Togashi's been on a "No Assistant" stance for a very long time. I think an entire new artist replacing him is completely out of the question.
    He very clearly had assistants for the first time on his last run. So no, that's not out the window.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkey King View Post
    lol look at dis scrub who hasn't read the collected volumes
    I'd be silly not to know about how he redrew the collected volumes. Still doesn't make the originals funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    I just want Beet the Vandel Buster to finish.
    Then, you should pray harder for the artist to feel better because the artist is sick since 9 years now.

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    He very clearly had assistants for the first time on his last run.
    Not a first time. I know he has some awful scribbles, but it is mostly around when he started to serialize irregularly. After that, he maintain his quality of artwork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrano View Post
    Was there a previous case of where a mangaka was switched midway and the manga still stayed popular?
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaizou 10 View Post
    No, there is none. Heck, that case never happened before in Japan.
    Crayon SHin Chan is still running even after the author's death using his old team.

    Similarly, Lone Wolf and Cub ended at a proper place, then decades later picked up with the same writer, different artist.

    There's also been a ton of licensed series where the creative team changes a ton. Lupin III has had several manga done that had little or no involvement from Monkey Punch. Slayers manga for instance, was an ongoing flood of mini-series, coming out frequently enough to basically be an ongoing, that had a couple different artists on it, but generally the same writer that did the original novels.

    Though in those cases the series did take a hiatus and relaunch with a different subtitle, so I'm not sure that counts towards the question exactly... but no, it is not at all unheard of for a series to reach a stopping point, then start again with a new artist. Rare, but it happens.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaizou 10 View Post
    Not a first time. I know he has some awful scribbles, but it is mostly around when he started to serialize irregularly. After that, he maintain his quality of artwork.
    The art was *very clearly* different in his last batch. There was a use of backgrounds, and inking techniques that just aren't in Togashi's wheelhouse or style. (including things like how the grass or water effects were done, style of buildings, filling dialogue full panels with a fraction of a background, or the inclusion of ziptone)

    I'm not saying Togashi is incapable of doing backgrounds, but the actual style and technique was very different, he had people helping him on that last batch, when he hadn't before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaizou 10 View Post
    Those pictures are from like 10 years ago.
    This is from like, two and a half, and less than 15 chapters ago.. I don't think it's too farfetched to argue that he'd be better served with at least more usage of assistants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    Crayon SHin Chan is still running even after the author's death using his old team.

    Similarly, Lone Wolf and Cub ended at a proper place, then decades later picked up with the same writer, different artist.
    Well, that was basically very, very, very, very, very, and very special case since the original creator (or artist) was passed away.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    Slayers manga for instance, was an ongoing flood of mini-series, coming out frequently enough to basically be an ongoing, that had a couple different artists on it.
    Manga is a comicalization of the novel. So, this case doesn't correlate with those examples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andre View Post
    This is from like, two and a half, and less than 15 chapters ago.. I don't think it's too farfetched to argue that he'd be better served with at least more usage of assistants.
    http://i14.mangapanda.com/hunter-x-h...er-3091239.jpg
    Unlike the other examples (which the scribble was changed to proper drawing in the volume), that chapter didn't change within the volume. So, I think Togashi purposely draw that way for that chapter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrano View Post
    Manga is a comicalization of the novel. So, this case doesn't correlate with those examples.
    You mean the *new stories* written by the novels author specifically for the manga that weren't in Dragon Magazine or the novels at all? But that sold just as well as any other given Slayers manga?

    Or the Lupin III stories that had no involvement from their original creator?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaizou 10 View Post
    Well, that was basically very, very, very, very, very, and very special case since the original creator (or artist) was passed away.
    There's also Cyborg 009.
    Many years after Shoutarou Ishinomori's death, there is a "conclusion arc" being serialized right now on the web.
    The final arc is drawn by Ishinomori's former assistant, basing the story on massive amounts of plot notes and unfinished novel scripts found after the author's death.

    http://club.shogakukan.co.jp/book/de...k_group_id/16/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    You mean the *new stories* written by the novels author that weren't in the novels at all? But that sold just as well as any other given Slayers manga?
    The comicalization do have some manga-original part as compared to actual novel, but the main one is still the light novel. So, Slayers isn't good example to argue the case about the original manga series which change the artist in midway. Plus, I don't think the manga was selling good (at least manga which started since 2008, not sure about before).

    Also, the name of quote is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaizou 10 View Post
    Unlike the other examples (which the scribble was changed to proper drawing in the volume), that chapter didn't change within the volume. So, I think Togashi purposely draw that way for that chapter.
    Whats the difference in this case between "on purpose" and "lazy"?
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    People keep bringing up the series which the artist was changed due to the original creators are passed away.

    So, is people expecting Togashi to die in order for the publisher to bring new artist to work on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    Whats the difference in this case between "on purpose" and "lazy"?
    We can't never know he was lazy or not. During the 10 week serialization, that was only one which he drew like that. If he was truly lazy, then isn't artwork should be like that for whole 10 weeks (and possibly beyond that)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaizou 10 View Post
    The comicalization do have some manga-original part as compared to actual novel, but the main one is still the light novel. So, Slayers isn't good example to argue the case about the original manga series which change the artist in midway. Plus, I don't think the manga was selling good (at least manga which started since 2008, not sure about before).

    Also, the name of quote is wrong.
    Trust me. I'm a big fan of the property.

    The manga adaptation of the novels was only like, 9 volumes. It covered basically what the anime did in the first two seasons. Both based off the first 8 novels.

    Slayers then, *with the same writer and creator*, then proceeded to have about 30 more volumes of *new stories* over the course of a dozen miniseries that were all new stories, including one that is *still* running, but had at least 3 different artists over those series.

    The original artist was still alive. It was still ongoing. It just switched up artists due to schedules. (And most Slayers content came out pre-2005. Basing anything on whats been released since aside from the current ongoing is silly.)



    All that said, that is just *one* example that I'm familiar with. I'm sure there are other situations where there is a writer in manga, who continues a series with a different artist, regardless of the circumstances (be they death or whatever)
    I just pointed at Slayers because I know it retained the original author.

    I could have gone to the Yugioh spinoffs or the Rock Lee manga or Negima's sub manga if I was only trying to find an example of something set in the same world that had little connection to the creator or established plots..

    And theres still Lupin to account for where the author was just fine but didnt make the later content but its still entirely the same cast of characters.

    Yes, its extremely rare that a new creator takes over a book for a still-living author. But it is NOT UNHEARD OF.

    Especially if you throw a subtitle on it.

    Just call it Hunter X Hunter Y Hunter Z and that's smoothed over for having a new artist. No biggie. Not unprecedented at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaizou 10 View Post
    People keep bringing up the series which the artist was changed due to the original creators are passed away.

    So, is people expecting Togashi to die in order for the publisher to bring new artist to work on?
    Sure, that can be arranged.

    We can't never know he was lazy or not.
    Sure, and we never know if certain someone really didn't know he ran with a deflated ball, but who are we kiddin right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    Trust me. I'm a big fan of the property.

    The manga adaptation of the novels was only like, 9 volumes. It covered basically what the anime did in the first two seasons.

    Slayers then, *with the same writer and creator*, then proceeded to have about 40 more volumes of *new stories* over the course of a dozen miniseries that were all new stories, but had at least 3 different artists.

    This was not including the adaptations of the movies and such.
    Are you saying that Slayers will be good example to argue for HxH to change the artist?

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    Sure. Its *a* example that I personally know immediately.

    I'm sure there's plenty of others. And thats not counting spinoffs that don't have any creator touch in them which I know there's a ton of.

    There is no inherent problem with the writer continuing a manga with a different artist. At all. It's not unprecedented. Certainly not in the "it has never happened ever" category.

    Mostly its because the writer/artist combo is rare to begin with that you don't see it happen much.
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