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    What's ao no exorcist doing in weekly jump?? Is this because of new anime announcement??

  2. #802

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    Quote Originally Posted by G.A.G View Post
    I agree with you, It's sad to see the people choosing bad mangas like Bleach instead of recent, but good mangas like Oumagadoki.
    Kubo has got to be selling pot to thousands of people in order to get those ratings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G.A.G View Post
    I agree with you, It's sad to see the people choosing bad mangas like Bleach instead of recent, but good mangas like Oumagadoki.
    Anyone thinking the editors might be prone to tamper with the results just to pretend Bleach is more popular then it is to save face ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GEPPETTOSMONSTER View Post
    Kubo has got to be selling pot to thousands of people in order to get those ratings.
    Quote Originally Posted by No Maam View Post
    Anyone thinking the editors might be prone to tamper with the results just to pretend Bleach is more popular then it is to save face ?
    Man, what is with all the Bleach hate. I personally really love where the series is going right now and I am interested in seeing what Kubo will come upp with from here on out. You guys either just personally can't get over your own grudges against a series you continue to fallow even though you critisize it as bad, or you are just individuals who think that an author taking a risk and trying something different with their manga and the "norm" is untolerable.

    Well. I am pretty bummed to see where Oumugadoki is still at. I really hope they still give it a chance to rise. Also, the final decisions on where a series will be dropped will strictly come down to the decision of the head editor. Like if a serious continues to rank bottom for weeks, but the editor in cheif feels it is a manga worth investing in, they have the power to continue it.
    It just really seems like the manga magazine business is an unadmirable dog pit. So what it comes down to is not a judge of content or actual popularity, but only popularity to other series in the magazine. So even if all the series are doing well, the one do the least well is still likely to be canned? It just seems like a pretty uncomfortable system.


    And does anyone know what was the longest a series that stayed in the bottom ran?

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    Gordonham, Bleach is fucking terrible. It was terrible before this new turn, it is terrible during this new turn, and it will be terrible when the story continues.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gordanham View Post
    Man, what is with all the Bleach hate. I personally really love where the series is going right now and I am interested in seeing what Kubo will come upp with from here on out. You guys either just personally can't get over your own grudges against a series you continue to fallow even though you critisize it as bad, or you are just individuals who think that an author taking a risk and trying something different with their manga and the "norm" is untolerable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gordanham View Post
    Man, what is with all the Bleach hate. I personally really love where the series is going right now and I am interested in seeing what Kubo will come upp with from here on out. You guys either just personally can't get over your own grudges against a series you continue to fallow even though you critisize it as bad, or you are just individuals who think that an author taking a risk and trying something different with their manga and the "norm" is untolerable.
    Bleach is a pretty bad manga, you know. The end of the Soul Society was mediocre and the Arrancar arc was really terrible. But I will give Kubo the benefit of the doubt and wait a bit before judging this new arc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narutossss View Post
    What's ao no exorcist doing in weekly jump?? Is this because of new anime announcement??
    Just a bonus chapter for new years, I believe. Gag Manga Biyori and Kakko Kawaii Sengen are getting similar special chapters this issue, and all three run in Jump SQ.

  9. #809

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    Quote Originally Posted by gordanham View Post
    Man, what is with all the Bleach hate. I personally really love where the series is going right now and I am interested in seeing what Kubo will come upp with from here on out. You guys either just personally can't get over your own grudges against a series you continue to fallow even though you critisize it as bad, or you are just individuals who think that an author taking a risk and trying something different with their manga and the "norm" is untolerable.
    You do have one thing right kubo will come up with something that looks cool and will bring another plot hole into the manga. Hell the man doesn't even remember what he draws he stated in a interview that he has to re-read his entire series. Now I can understand re-reading a few volumes back just to make sure the story is flowing smoothly but since mr. makeitupasigoalong doesn't write out a simple timeline. Which would be easy for him to do and just "make-up" the middle yet be careful about it.

    I was once a bleach fan but ever since the hueco mundo arc I was questioning myself on this series and once it came to the grimmjow fight with ichigo in Hueco Mundo that made me stop liking bleach cause let's face it in the manga that fight was boring it however was saved by the anime.

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    Bleach manga is the intellectual equivelant of smashing action figures together making sound effects with your mouth.

    Also you're in a pure white room 98% of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPGJay View Post
    Bleach manga is the intellectual equivelant of smashing action figures together making sound effects with your mouth.

    Also you're in a pure white room 98% of the time.
    You forgot to mention that sometimes one of the light bulbs in the room goes out and it makes the room half dark and half light, and there's a random sofa to make it "feel" like there's some sort of background.
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    I'm surprised that megaka box is higher than reborn. like, that is super shocking. what the hell is going on in medaka right now??

    and I think ouma is safe for a little longer, if only because they JUST canned SWOT and something else. I think there is like a couple months until the next cancelation meeting. in which light wing will surely get the boot, and ouma if it doesn't improve. but if it CAN improve...!

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    Still seems to be just lot of figuring pointing. I really have been interested in why so many people where dislike Bleach so much, so I appreciate those who said why they dislike Bleach. But why do most just say it is bad without even giving any examples why. I would really like to hear more reasons if you can.

    Me personally, I do have problems with Bleach. No series, especially shonen ones, are perfect and have no flaws. Mine are probably fewew than most though. Mine boil down to just basically the lack of a thorough explanation of the whole afterlife system, battles that last multiple chapters with little or no dialogue, and broken powers.

    I was lucky and saw the Grimmjow/ Ichigo fight in the Anime first where I thought it was totally awesome and action packed, but then when I read it in the manga, yeah, it was like six chapters of no dialogue but screams. That was disappointing.

    The broken powers thing is something that always does get to me, but I am almost always able to look over it in the end because most of these times these guys with these broken powers get killed. Szayelaporro's and Baraggan's where totally "wtf how can you win" but the one that still drives me nuts is Aizens. I mean, how can you loose with crazy broken power like that.

    Well, these were all negatives on the series for me, but they didn't ruin the series as a whole. And I would like to here your reasons you don't like Bleach too. And the whole, three pages of close ups on mouths and gradient backrounds of black and white or solid of either, I really don't mind them. I actually appreciate these things. I think they are quite obviously ways that mood and tone of the situation is trying to be set up.

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    Horrible Pacing: 2 Pages of a guy drinking a glass of wine
    MOst of the characters are completely inconsequential and basically end up as padding, including most of the "main" cast: Whens the last time Chad did anything useful? Renji? When has Orihime done anything outside of being a walking plot device? Ishida's done nothing important since SS. And then we have useless and pointless enemies that are just thereas padding. Like the three numbered Arrancar, or hell, even 9 of the ten espada were just there for fights and weren't really significant to the story at all. Probably the result of Kubo's solution for writers block being to make new characters, which he's stated for himself
    Almost no backgrounds and mostly generic art
    Story is riddled with plotholes and plot twists are almost always ass pulls. Hell, Kubo hadn't even thought of Aizen being a villain when he was supposedly "killed" in soul society. Zero Espada. Aizen knew about Ichigo from when he was born. And lets not forget when Kubo CHANGED Aizens line about Ichigo being a human and a... to a shinigami and a... (or was it the other way around) in the chapter after it was first stated. ALso that orb becoming a retcon for everything in the series
    Ichigo's complete and utter lack of a personality: Seriously, Ichigo is about s bland and generic as he could be
    and I could probably think of many, many more flaws given time

    EDIT: lets not forget the most incosistent strength and ability levels ever. I still call BS on any of the higher ranked espada being stronger than Ulquoirra even without his second release. Ulquiorra stopped a getsuga tenshou from Ichigo, who was using hiss hollow mask and bankai, with barely a scratch without ever releasing. Compare this to Stark who despite being the 1st espada got beaten by a shikai and had no decent powers
    Also Bleach has so much wasted potential. It could have been good, and there have been times where I feel like Kubo had agreat idea only to completely disregard it. For example, in the 2nd espada vs the vizard fight, I was expecting it to be a cool matchup where the vizard would use his time reversal powers to nullify Barrigan's aging ability. But no, instead we just get some deus exs and the time reversal powers are never even brought up
    Last edited by Aaronrules380; December 28th, 2010 at 07:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaronrules380 View Post
    Horrible Pacing: 2 Pages of a guy drinking a glass of wine
    MOst of the characters are completely inconsequential and basically end up as padding, including most of the "main" cast: Whens the last time Chad did anything useful? Renji? When has Orihime done anything outside of being a walking plot device? Ishida's done nothing important since SS. And then we have useless and pointless enemies that are just thereas padding. Like the three numbered Arrancar, or hell, even 9 of the ten espada were just there for fights and weren't really significant to the story at all. Probably the result of Kubo's solution for writers block being to make new characters, which he's stated for himself
    Almost no backgrounds and mostly generic art
    Story is riddled with plotholes and plot twists are almost always ass pulls. Hell, Kubo hadn't even thought of Aizen being a villain when he was supposedly "killed" in soul society. Zero Espada. Aizen knew about Ichigo from when he was born. And lets not forget when Kubo CHANGED Aizens line about Ichigo being a human and a... to a shinigami and a... (or was it the other way around) in the chapter after it was first stated. ALso that orb becoming a retcon for everything in the series
    Ichigo's complete and utter lack of a personality: Seriously, Ichigo is about s bland and generic as he could be
    and I could probably think of many, many more flaws given time

    EDIT: lets not forget the most incosistent strength and ability levels ever. I still call BS on any of the higher ranked espada being stronger than Ulquoirra even without his second release. Ulquiorra stopped a getsuga tenshou from Ichigo, who was using hiss hollow mask and bankai, with barely a scratch without ever releasing. Compare this to Stark who despite being the 1st espada got beaten by a shikai and had no decent powers
    Also Bleach has so much wasted potential. It could have been good, and there have been times where I feel like Kubo had agreat idea only to completely disregard it. For example, in the 2nd espada vs the vizard fight, I was expecting it to be a cool matchup where the vizard would use his time reversal powers to nullify Barrigan's aging ability. But no, instead we just get some deus exs and the time reversal powers are never even brought up
    Haha. I really enjoyed reading your veiws. And I do have to say that I agree with most of the points you are bringing up. But in the end these are points that I still think plague many series and still do not deteriorate the fact the the series are enjoyable. Even after all you have pointed out, I still find that with all these flaws Bleach is still a much more enjoyable series than most others. And I actually have to say that I like Kubo character building a lot. I think it is another thing that doesn't fallow the classic shonen formula and brings a more realess to the work. It makes it feel a lot more like reality. In the real world there are people that you will always see but really never have affect on you. In real life, I guess you could say that the majority of people you will ever meet or see is just "padding" and I like the small things I can make out of that in Bleach, reguardless of whether the author ever had the intention of doing so.

    I also have to agree with you on the whole Ulquiorra ranking. I think he definitely should have been at a stonger rank. But I was fine at the rank he was head because I always felt that that was the rank he wished to be at. If he really wanted to be at a higher rank he could have always just approached and challenged the other espada. I think that the fact that he hid his second form is proof enough that he did not want to rise in the ranks and make his true stregth known.

    I never really thought about your take on the Baraggan fight, but that could have been interesting. But does hachi really have time reversal ablities. I know that they said his abilities were similar to Orihime's, but I always thought that Orihime was the only one who possesed time-reversal abilities.

    And the thing I probably have to disagree with you most one is the hogyoku.
    I love what it is so much. Just before getting to that point into the series, I had finished the super awesome and amazing manga King of Thorn. And when I found out what they hokyoku was I was thoroughly surprised and elated at the relevation. Those who have read King of Thorn will probably understand.

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    Yeah. He said he had time-reversal abilities for healing, but Orihime was different because she had event rejection instead
    Also, real world people have personalities, and are not extremely generic, and such. And I'm fine with fodder and inconsequential characters when they are one off appearance. But major One on One fights should not happen with totally pointless characters. And Major villains like the Espada should not contribute NOTHING to the story besides a fight opportunity. Which is what all of them but Ulquoirra did in the end. ALso the Hogyouku would've been ok if it had been in any way hinted at, and hadn't been given a complete and worthwhile explanation. Also if it didn't retcon everything that ever happened in the entire series

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    Also. The new weekly shonen jump January tankobon covers are out
    http://www.shonenjump.com/e/comics/index.html
    Haha. To see the big versions you have to go to booknavi. My favorites are:
    http://books.shueisha.co.jp/CGI/sear...-4-08-870143-1 (Haha, I was like wtf at the rainbow. I really like Kishimoto's charater symmetry on covers.)
    http://books.shueisha.co.jp/CGI/sear...-4-08-870167-7
    http://books.shueisha.co.jp/CGI/sear...-4-08-870168-4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaronrules380 View Post
    Yeah. He said he had time-reversal abilities for healing, but Orihime was different because she had event rejection instead
    Also, real world people have personalities, and are not extremely generic, and such. And I'm fine with fodder and inconsequential characters when they are one off appearance. But major One on One fights should not happen with totally pointless characters. And Major villains like the Espada should not contribute NOTHING to the story besides a fight opportunity. Which is what all of them but Ulquoirra did in the end. ALso the Hogyouku would've been ok if it had been in any way hinted at, and hadn't been given a complete and worthwhile explanation. Also if it didn't retcon everything that ever happened in the entire series
    Could you please specify the characters who you are talking about? The ones that are "generic" but participate in major fights. And I stil don't understand what you mean by your hogyoku issue. Isn't retcon a term for when a new writer comes in and changes the history of a series? But Kubo came up with this himself, and i personally it doesn't really hurt or interferes Bleach's history at all but justifies it. I always wondered what the heck where the cases with Chad and Orihime. And I really don't think Kubo could have chosen a better way of explaining it then they way he did. I mean I really love what the hogyoku ended up being.

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    You mean wish device that explains away everything in the series ever and completely contradicts completely fine explanations given long ago for many things? And you think thats a good thing? I'm aftaid I can't follow anymore

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    So is it Toriko or Torico? Strange.

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